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Women in combat units: Could it reduce sexual assault in the military?
csmonitor.com ^ | January 25, 2013 | Anna Mulrine

Posted on 02/16/2013 5:31:35 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says that he is hopeful that making the combat roles of women official will create a greater environment of respect for women, which in turn may have an impact on instances of sexual harassment and assault.

“I believe it's because we've had separate classes of military personnel, at some level,” he said at a press conference Thursday.

General Dempsey was quick to add that sexual assault is “far more complicated than that – but when you have one part of the population that is designated as warriors and another part that's designated as something else, I think that disparity begins to establish a psychology that in some cases led to that environment."

“I have to believe, the more we can treat people equally, the more likely they are to treat each other equally.”

It is a sentiment that is echoed among advocates for victims of sexual assault.

“When you have legalized discrimination against women, there’s no doubt in my mind that there’s a link there,” says Anu Baghwati, a former company commander in the Marine Corps.

“I experienced it firsthand as a woman officer in the Marines. There’s a constant reminder by your peers that you’re not as strong, you’re not as competent, which is not based on your actual, but your perceived performance,” she says. “And I think women would doubt themselves a lot less.”

Critics of women in combat express concerns, however, that the move could actually make women more vulnerable to sexual assault by putting them in closer contact with men in situations where they will have little privacy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: usmilitary; womenincombat

1 posted on 02/16/2013 5:31:44 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I thought this was a John Semmens satire, alas it is not.


2 posted on 02/16/2013 5:36:49 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

At what cost? PC idiocy.


3 posted on 02/16/2013 5:36:56 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Is the Army going to add a new military occupational specialty (MOS), i.e., company or platoon pump?


4 posted on 02/16/2013 5:42:28 AM PST by miele man
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Actually, if anything it will increase sexual assaults. When you have two people of opposite sex sleeping in a foxhole together, you will inevitably have increases in both consensual and non-consensual sex. I’m not even saying it will be rape in the classic sense. It will create many more opportunities for close quarters “misunderstandings” which can lead to non-consensual sex. For example, if a female soldier is pressing against a male soldier while she’s sleeping. Remember, in many cases these people are still teenagers little/no experienced with interpreting the opposite sex.

And, lets face it, if you have 20 guys and 4 women in a close-knit group, there will be tension and competition among the guys for those women. Especially true if you are dealing with single people under 25.


5 posted on 02/16/2013 5:46:59 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Seems to me that there were a couple of females at the center of that whole Abu Grave mess in Iraq and they weren’t victims. Hell the commanding officer was a female.


6 posted on 02/16/2013 5:52:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rbg81

A Navy Commander told me all about respect for women aboard ship as so many of them come back from a deployment pregnant. Women in combat will just complicate things. And does anyone believe for a minute women will have even a portalet for their use? The kind of woman who will drop her drawers at nature’s call, in front of male troops, will probably be able to drop them for other reasons without much thought.


7 posted on 02/16/2013 5:54:26 AM PST by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: rbg81

They are simply looking for ways to rationalize an unpopular decision that has no merit. If medics are already going to be exposed to perverts’ blood under fire, then why even pretend anymore that these questions matter? Those same freaks wouldn’t be allowed to donate blodd, with good reason.

Anyone who wants to die for what this government represents at this point has my blessing; I do feel for the people who too late ralize that when Caesar pays the piper he picks the tunes.


8 posted on 02/16/2013 5:54:39 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

One again, we shake our fists at God and tell Him that we will re-define all reality in our image.


9 posted on 02/16/2013 5:54:44 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: rbg81

Undoubtedly. There is no greater aphrodesiac than extremely high levels of both testosterone and fear incurred by soldiers under fire. Sexual conduct will be at 100% instantly.


10 posted on 02/16/2013 5:57:21 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

A polite society is a fully armed society. Just keep the firearms out of the paws of the squirrels, rabbits, and deer. I’ll trust my dog though.


11 posted on 02/16/2013 5:57:32 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It further reduces women and men to interchangeable cogs.
12 posted on 02/16/2013 5:57:32 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’ve never had less respect for a female soldier than when a) she is clearly in over her head and insists that she’s up to the task,
b) I’m carrying her ruck and rifle because it’s just “too heavy”,
c) a man is performing her job without the benefit of her rank or pay because she is once again undeployable because of pregnancy or “female problems”.

One week of this shit in combat units and these women will earn the wrath of ever soldier in their unit.


13 posted on 02/16/2013 5:59:10 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Women in combat units: Could it reduce sexual assault in the military?"

Thus lays to rest the notion that, "There's no such thing as a stupid question."

14 posted on 02/16/2013 6:03:20 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: ruesrose
All a woman in the military has to do, to destroy a male’s career and basically his life is to accuse. I know for a fact it happens all the time.
15 posted on 02/16/2013 6:04:13 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

A sharp stick in the eye. Could it reduce blindness?


16 posted on 02/16/2013 6:04:24 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: SkyPilot

Exactly. America has looked EVIL in the face and embraced it.


17 posted on 02/16/2013 6:06:11 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: SkyPilot

Exactly. America has looked EVIL in the face and embraced it.


18 posted on 02/16/2013 6:06:11 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: rbg81

Spot on, friend, spot on.

Of course it will make things worse.

Liberals know nothing about human nature. They only know their morally superior (translate: self-righteous) views and goals make them better than us.

The Pharisees of our day.


19 posted on 02/16/2013 6:17:55 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Women in combat units: Could it reduce sexual assault in the military?

Women in combat units: Could it reduce reports of sexual assault in the military?

There, fixed it.

In a tightly nit platoon/unit women who are sexually assaulted might also be less inclined to report such an assault due to the close proximity to the rest of the unit for fear of "in the field" reprisals.
Accidents happen, as it were.

And if there are problems with hazing now (it still happens despite efforts to end it) what will it be like when women are involved.
It's a situation rife for such allegations as well as actual abuse.

Idiots are in charge...IMHO.

20 posted on 02/16/2013 6:18:10 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
No!

I can tell you right now the Answer is no.

The Military (and especially the air force) has an epidemic right now of Sexual Misconduct.

There are many fine Female Airmen out there, but I am just gonna say it.

The Air Force has the largest Numbers of Females in the Military,I think it is like 23% of the Air Force are girls.

Make no mistake why the A.F. has the most number of sexual assaults. The more girls their are around the more chance for unscrupulous men to prey on them.

This will only make things worse.

Like Most liberal Causes the "fix" is designed to weaken their intended target.

21 posted on 02/16/2013 6:29:01 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Women in combat units: Will it result in mission failure?

Men who are superb in combat often have a powerful instinctual impulse to protect women who they perceive are at risk, even at the risk of their own lives.

While there are many men more than willing to send women into combat to draw fire, these men are not particularly good warriors. But those who excel at fighting are often paralyzed if they see females at risk.

In past, efforts were made to make a thornless blackberry bush, but it was soon discovered that flavor and sweetness in blackberries comes from the same genetic pattern that creates thorns. You cannot have one without the other.

A real warrior in combat is worth a hundred ordinary men who have been trained to be soldiers. In a fight, he will best them. Unless there is a woman present who is at risk.

The socialist left are convinced beyond argument that women are exactly the same as men and can do all the things men can do. They are so sure of their religious doctrines that they would accept enormous numbers of casualties and killed, of men and women, and the failure of the military mission, not to prove that they are right, but just to prove that they set the rules.

Once failure was blindingly obvious, they would then blame it on lack of funding, or sabotage by their opponents, or that not enough women were in combat. All lame and disgusting rationalizations.

Especially when the reality is grievous injury and death, and failure of the military mission.

They eventually forced through their equally beloved socialized medicine, Obamacare, and though it is also a murderous failure, they do not care. They just do not care, because human life means nothing to them, as long as all must obey their religious faith.


22 posted on 02/16/2013 6:35:04 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Bfl


23 posted on 02/16/2013 6:40:20 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: rbg81

A guy who worked ‘sexual assault’ at a base I was at told me that every case they had during the previous year involved women going out drinking with some guys, going back to their room and drinking with A guy, and then waking up and realizing she had sex sometime during the night. She would then claim rape.

The guy, of course, would say it was consensual. And since no one else in adjoining rooms heard any sounds of a struggle, it would normally be dropped.

So...putting gals out in the field with a lot of young, very fit guys...anyone think it won’t happen MORE often? The CJCS isn’t that stupid, so that leaves dishonest as the only explanation.


24 posted on 02/16/2013 6:46:38 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

You fail to understand the real goal of those who wish to include women in combat units, i.e., to compromise the ability of our warriors to fight.

So, yes, all of the problems you describe will occur. These America haters are not blind to the chance of failure of the fighting units with women added; they are counting on it.


25 posted on 02/16/2013 6:46:53 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As A female who has been in the military, a female has more to worry about from lesbians than men.


26 posted on 02/16/2013 6:53:36 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sort of gives a new meaning to the “buddy system”.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 7:03:01 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says that he is hopeful that making the combat roles of women official will create a greater environment of respect for women, which in turn may have an impact on instances of sexual harassment and assault.

“I believe it's because we've had separate classes of military personnel, at some level,” he said at a press conference Thursday.

It is sad that the decision makers responsible for such incredibly stupid policies are not punished somehow when the nonsensical policies fail as predicted.

This has never worked in the history of mankind. Just because some fool with power and with a warped and twisted notion of a "perfect" society, will not make it happen. Men and women are not interchangeable, as the feminists declare. Too bad the fools will get away without punishment.

28 posted on 02/16/2013 7:12:24 AM PST by olezip
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“I have to believe, the more we can treat people equally, the more likely they are to treat each other equally.”

Really, General? Then let's expand on that belief. As a soldier, I want to be equal to you. I want all your perks and authority and the same pay you receive. After all, that's fair and equal. Also, I want to wear all of the same skill badges and awards that some of the other soldiers wear that earned them, because, after all, that's fair and equal. I want to sit in and bark commands from the M1A2 TC seat and be the PC back seater in the AH-64D regardless of my competency level, because those too, would be fair and equal.

29 posted on 02/16/2013 7:17:02 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: arthurus
It further reduces women and men to interchangeable cogs.

And that is the true purpose of Communism. To obliterate all the natural characteristics of humanity so that we become humaniod drones of the collective toiling ceaselessly for, and unable to resist our God-King Masters. Make no mistake about it. The men behind Communism, Globalism, or whatever you want to call it look to the Pharaohs of Egypt, the Emperors of Rome, the Sultans of Arabia with envious eyes and say, "We are going to out do them all."

30 posted on 02/16/2013 7:27:28 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (Republicans are to the Democrats as the Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters)
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To: olezip
This has never worked in the history of mankind.

But...but what about Israel? /Leftist impression

Debunking the Israeli 'women in combat' myth 08/02/2001

Despite 225 years of witnessing the horror of wars fought by male American soldiers, there are still a number of idiots – mostly feminists who themselves will never have to face an armed enemy soldier – pushing lawmakers to drop a ban against allowing women in combat.

A perfect example of a "continued push" coming to fruition.
This has been an ongoing effort for some time.

How many other issues will win through simply because leftists continue pushing till they succeed in their endeavors?
Pretty scary thought, eh?

31 posted on 02/16/2013 7:32:17 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: kearnyirish2
They are simply looking for ways to rationalize an unpopular decision that has no merit.

Agreed. Not only is it unpopular, it is unwise, immoral, and destructive to our military's effectiveness.....IMO.
32 posted on 02/16/2013 7:37:12 AM PST by Girlene
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To: TADSLOS
Also, I want to wear all of the same skill badges and awards that some of the other soldiers wear that earned them, because, after all, that's fair and equal.

We demand a black beret too!

Defense Leaders Uphold Army's Black Beret Decision March 16, 2001

Army Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki announced his intent last October to issue the beret to all soldiers and started a controversy among current and former Army Rangers and in Congress. The black beret has been worn traditionally only by Rangers, an elite, highly trained combat group.

Snip...Army dumps beret as official ACU headgear Jun 13, 2011
A top issue was the beret, which became standard headgear on June 14, 2001. Then-Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki said the change was not about recruiting, retention or morale, but rather about “our excellence as soldiers, our unity as a force and our values as an institution.”

/smart a$$ reply

33 posted on 02/16/2013 7:46:37 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr Rogers
The CJCS isn’t that stupid, so that leaves dishonest as the only explanation.

One other explanation - he's just doing what his puppetteer commands.


34 posted on 02/16/2013 7:47:43 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Girlene

“Not only is it unpopular, it is unwise, immoral, and destructive to our military’s effectiveness.....IMO.”

I think it will be borne out as fact; it isn’t just your opinion. It has been tried unsuccessfully in other countries, and our record with “non-combat” women is bad enough.

The Left, like the Khmer Rouge from 1975-1979, is determined to erase any past culture/traditions that made us what we are, and they want to “reset” with a blank page in which thousands of years of Judeo-Christianity and thousands of years of Western Civilization simply never happened.

Looking at young people today, the Left is doing a tremendously successful job.


35 posted on 02/16/2013 7:57:24 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

It is clear to me that they want women in the combat arms simply because they never intend to fight another war. It just will allow women to rise in the ranks of an entirely paper tiger armed forces. The new drone medal is also a method of getting non-combatants promoted.


36 posted on 02/16/2013 8:08:55 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: SkyPilot

“One again, we shake our fists at God and tell Him that we will re-define all reality in our image.”

Now, now, can’t be blaming the theologically shaky amongst us for the deliberate destruction of America by communists.

Bammy and his Boyz (gender assumptions are questionable, I know) are Alinskyite commies and Muslim apologists. To what extent Judeo-Christian concepts even entered their minds is questionable.

Human nature was well known back when Moses was still using stone tablets to store data. Even treason was well known by then. Interestingly, homosexuality was also described, but we are now told by the “Ever So Wise & Enlightened” that we have “evolved” to a more “sophisticated society”.

However, with apologies to Kipling, “Queer is queer, and Right is right, and never the twain shall meet.”


37 posted on 02/16/2013 8:15:19 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Oldexpat

“It is clear to me that they want women in the combat arms simply because they never intend to fight another war.”

That’s true (at least another war “on the ground”). It really looks like they’re looking to provide some new jobs for the thousands of government workers already laid off, and thousands more postal workers that will be laid off; gubmint “workfare”.


38 posted on 02/16/2013 8:21:40 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Agreed, again.


39 posted on 02/16/2013 8:54:12 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Traitors, whores, and fools.


40 posted on 02/16/2013 8:56:54 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Watching Generals succumb to the blackmail of either selling liberal social engineering, or retiring, is a very sad state of affairs.

The General does NOT believe the claptrap he’s been ordered to sell.


41 posted on 02/16/2013 8:59:57 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This will only increase the problem created by feminism in the first place. The solution, of course, will be more idiocy; a weakened military; and the triumph of our enemies.

Suicide.

Plain and simple.


42 posted on 02/16/2013 9:12:21 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: G Larry

Watching Generals succumb to the blackmail of either selling liberal social engineering, or retiring, is a very sad state of affairs.

The General does NOT believe the claptrap he’s been ordered to sell.


Don’t be naive..the good one’s are long gone..the girl’s/sissy boy’s that are staying lap up obama’s pablum.


43 posted on 02/16/2013 9:18:24 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: yldstrk
As A female who has been in the military, a female has more to worry about from lesbians than men.

That was true in one unit I was in for many years. We had several lesbians and they always tried to hit on new transfers that were female.

44 posted on 02/16/2013 9:36:51 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: philman_36
But...but what about Israel? /Leftist impression

On paper Israel has one of the most gender-neutral militaries in the world, but the complex realities behind the policies of the Israel Defense Forces, where it remains rare for women to kill or be killed, and questions persist about their fitness. Israel carries out a different system and military than do we, likely more efficient and combat ready.

Also remember that Israel has simpler, but more discriminating airport check procedures compared to the USA's humiliating and mindless checks where your grandmother or a toddler are treated as though they pose as great a risk as a Muslim who paid cash for a one way ticket, but who seems to be more likely to get through because of worries about profiling accusations and lawsuits by CAIR.

45 posted on 02/16/2013 10:12:07 AM PST by olezip
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To: G Larry
The General does NOT believe the claptrap he’s been ordered to sell.

Unfortunately that's not the case. Dempsey has been baptized at the Fabian altar of Duke University. He's very much an inside social engineer.

46 posted on 02/16/2013 10:17:27 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: olezip
It seems you missed the obvious.
An "/sarcasm" didn't seem necessary after the hyperlink/article I posted, but I see now that it was for some.
47 posted on 02/16/2013 10:40:32 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

For our side. probably not. For the other side, definitely not.


48 posted on 02/16/2013 11:19:30 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: philman_36
It seems you missed the obvious. An "/sarcasm" didn't seem necessary after the hyperlink/article I posted, but I see now that it was for some.

Yes, I miss the obvious most of the time.

49 posted on 02/16/2013 12:06:23 PM PST by olezip
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To: olezip
Yes, I miss the obvious most of the time.

I miss the obvious some of the time myself though I try hard not to.

50 posted on 02/16/2013 12:49:00 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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