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Trump, Levin Right About Rove
Big Government ^ | 2/16/13 | David Bossie

Posted on 02/16/2013 7:36:15 AM PST by Lakeshark

If you’re a donor or potential donor to Karl Rove’s group American Crossroads, I recommend you listen to Mark Levin’s recent interview with Donald Trump, because they disclosed some long overdue truths that needed to be said.

Trump and Levin made several points that donors, the media, and the political class can no longer ignore and frankly should have picked up on long ago. When you see the facts all laid out, you’ll be asking yourself the same question as Levin: “I would say to the wealthy donors out there, why do you keep donating to him?”

The first point Trump makes is exhibit one in the case against Rove and something people should never, ever forget: “You know it was really Karl Rove who gave us Obama.” Mr. Trump is exactly right. The next time someone says Karl Rove is a political genius, just remember that his disastrous decisions during the Bush Administration paved the way for President Obama’s election, Obamacare’s implementation, and our unsustainable $16 trillion national debt.

The truth is that the only times in politics when the political pendulum swings that far in either direction is when things get really, really awful under the sitting president. What largely caused that political situation was Karl Rove’s wrongheaded advice to George W. Bush. Let’s also be honest about Rove being the architect of Bush’s two victories. Barely beating atrocious candidates like Al Gore and John Kerry is not exactly a heavy lift or something to brag about, because he nearly let both get away.

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TokyoRove, the man who gave us the idea that we shouldn't say anything about how crazy the dems are or be critical of Obama because it might offend the moderates........

We can't get rid of him fast enough.

1 posted on 02/16/2013 7:36:25 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

Enthusiastic bump!

Get rid of Rove, or find an alternative to the GOP.

Now.


2 posted on 02/16/2013 7:39:41 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Lakeshark
just remember that his disastrous decisions during the Bush Administration paved the way for President Obama’s election

Bush's fault.

You're damned right it is!

3 posted on 02/16/2013 7:45:33 AM PST by DManA
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To: Lakeshark

Tokyo seems to be about hanging on to the gravy train he built for himself.


4 posted on 02/16/2013 7:46:42 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lakeshark

Sarah Palin’s line “Good old boys” running politics in Washington DC


5 posted on 02/16/2013 7:48:16 AM PST by YukonGreen
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To: Lakeshark

Rove’s attempts to alter/improve American politics probably began its journey on the right path. But, like many Republicans who began their journey in the right direction, he came to a fork in the road and made the wrong turn. That is one of the dangers in American politics and the same thing could eventually happen to the Patriot movement unless a great deal of “honest” leadership is exercised.


6 posted on 02/16/2013 7:55:11 AM PST by davisfh
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The only way to get rid of Rove and the other RINOs is to get involved within the party itself and change things. A third party should be our last resort.


7 posted on 02/16/2013 7:57:36 AM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: Lakeshark
Rove: From Magnificent Bastard to just ...
8 posted on 02/16/2013 7:57:49 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Lakeshark
What largely caused that political situation was Karl Rove’s wrongheaded advice to George W. Bush.

I think the Bush royal family has always stood for Big Government. W picked a political adviser who was compatible.

9 posted on 02/16/2013 8:01:45 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: YukonGreen
Not much good about it:

The third point Trump made was perhaps the most devastating: “They took $400 million of money that people put up to fight and they made the worst ads I’ve ever seen.” The hundreds of millions in television ads Crossroads ran during the 2012 election had virtually zero impact. Donors trusted Rove to produce ads that were both innovative and effective and they got neither. Weak ads from one state to the next were placed on television and they failed miserably. “$400 million was wasted,” Trump went on to say.

10 posted on 02/16/2013 8:02:25 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
...just remember that his disastrous decisions during the Bush Administration paved the way for President Obama’s election, Obamacare’s implementation, and our unsustainable $16 trillion national debt.

I can't stand Karl Rove, but the reason the economy went to crap right before Bush left office was not the fault of political decisions emanating from the White House.

Republicans in congress simply failed to reign in Fannie and Freddie. We saw it coming, they saw it coming, and perhaps the political power wasn't there to stop what eventually happened, but the executive branch shouldn't get all the blame, IMHO.

11 posted on 02/16/2013 8:02:53 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: Lakeshark

Rove is totally out of touch with the way politics need to be fought today. He fights the game like it is 1996.


12 posted on 02/16/2013 8:06:26 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: Lakeshark
“You know it was really Karl Rove who gave us Obama.”

And George Bush gave us Karl Rove.

Thanks, George.

13 posted on 02/16/2013 8:08:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: wayoverontheright
the reason the economy went to crap right before Bush left office was not the fault of political decisions emanating from the White House.

The 2006 elections, when the GOP lost the house and senate were the direct result of insulting the GOP base by being silent about democrat criticism (new tone), and the disastrous attempt to shove the amnesty bill down the throat of the American public, and the lack of any attempt to slow down spending.

The unfortunate consequences were there was no way now to reigh in Fannie and Freddie even if they wanted to. I know it's complex, but there was enough failure in the vision of the Bush/Rove white house to assign plenty of blame to them.

14 posted on 02/16/2013 8:09:05 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
“Karl Rove, I just think he’s one of the most overrated people in politics.”

Sometimes the obvious has to be voiced.

15 posted on 02/16/2013 8:09:40 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Rove is totally out of touch with the way politics need to be fought today.

Perfectly stated. It's a huge problem we need to overcome.

16 posted on 02/16/2013 8:11:35 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Grandma Conservative
The only way to get rid of Rove and the other RINOs is to get involved within the party itself and change things. A third party should be our last resort.

G.C., you are so absolutely and completely correct!

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17 posted on 02/16/2013 8:23:01 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner
AMEN! At ALL cost, we must avoid any third party interference in the 2016 election. I do like Rand Paul, but,if he really cares about the country, he will resist the temptation to run as a Tea Party candidate in anything other than the primary.
18 posted on 02/16/2013 8:38:51 AM PST by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: Lakeshark
But, but... but... Hannity says he's THE ARCHITECT!!!

(Implicit sarcasm tag.)

19 posted on 02/16/2013 8:39:43 AM PST by OKSooner ("Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No!!")
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To: Lakeshark
Heard that show. Levin's been beating the drum all week. He declared war on Rove and the Establishment. Great stuff.

He was outstanding on Hannity's show this week, too. It would be worth searching YouTube for.

Levin's in a class by himself, as far as political commentators go.

20 posted on 02/16/2013 8:42:41 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Lakeshark

Rove and Dubya spoke so well of the Democrats while Reid, Pelosi, and later Obama were actively discrediting and de-legitimizing the Republican Party in general, and conservative principles in particular. Great strategy. It just keeps paying dividends. Anyone who donates a penny to this self promoting jackass didn’t deserve their money in the first place.


21 posted on 02/16/2013 8:43:04 AM PST by hcmama
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To: Seaplaner

Well...I just got the RNC plea for my “membership” and MONEY...they even included a matching $35 from McCAIN! I sent it back empty...with a note....”WE ONLY GIVE TO TEA Party and CONSERVATIVE Candidates”...and “YOU Got to be KIDDING”


22 posted on 02/16/2013 8:44:29 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Lakeshark
He also pointed out Roves record of candidate failures compared to Tea Party success with Cruz, Rubio, Lee, Nikki Haley and countless local offices across the land.

Rove may have been conservative once, but I think he hit that change point where his pocketbook took over and the tendency to play the middle for financial gain took over.

23 posted on 02/16/2013 8:45:36 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Moonman62
W picked a political adviser who was compatible.

Exactly. And together they just about destroyed the Party of Reagan and ushered in the Era of Socialist Mediocrity. Nice work, fellas.

24 posted on 02/16/2013 8:45:56 AM PST by hcmama
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To: Lakeshark
They took $400 million of money that people put up to fight and they made the worst ads I’ve ever seen.”

Trump is dead on here. The CR-GPS ads were bland, vanilla, and seemingly designed to get people to reach for the remote. Commercials for Metamucil were more moving and inspirational. They must have been focused grouped with an eye toward registering no emotional appeal whatsoever. And they also took away all the oxygen for other groups that could have done a better job.

25 posted on 02/16/2013 8:53:31 AM PST by hcmama
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To: Stillwaters
This is a decent article.

This is personal for Trump because he was a $50,000 donor to Crossroads in 2010. That money could have been put to good use if it was given to groups with fresh ideas. So the next time you consider stroking a check to a Rove-controlled group, just remember what Donald Trump already knows: “Karl Rove, I just think he’s one of the most overrated people in politics.”

$50,000 isn't even "petty cash" for Donald Trump. It's more like coins found under the sofa cushions. Still, if Donald Trump hadn't figured out by 2010 that Karl Rove is a self-serving imbecilic hack who needed to be drummed out of the party years ago, then Donald Trump isn't a very smart man.

26 posted on 02/16/2013 9:00:12 AM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: srmorton

Rand has hinted on favoring amnesty. Keep a eye on him.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 9:02:29 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Yo-Yo
Rove: From Magnificent Bastard to just ..

Rove: From college drop out to MB to just ..

28 posted on 02/16/2013 9:02:36 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Levin's in a class by himself, as far as political commentators go.

Levin is not afraid to call out the GOP, loud and clear. Rush softens his criticism, but you can still tell he is unhappy with them. Hannity only focuses on Democrats and mostly ignores Republican malfeasance.

29 posted on 02/16/2013 9:04:03 AM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: Paladin2

>Tokyo seems to be about hanging on to the gravy train he built for himself.

A big part of it, but these guys also get wrapped up in hearing how great they are. After a while, if anybody criticizes them, it is such a shock they freak out, cover their ears, and go Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, until it stops.

My guess is Karl’s brain has crossed the point where he can contemplate the fact he may be doing anything wrong. Now it will always be the fault of everyone else, and Karl will always be a failure because everybody didn’t do exactly what he said. Just like when Fox called the election, and he denied it could possibly be true. It’s a shame to see him go out this way, but what can you do.

Trump is doing God’s work work. Seems like he and Allen West are the only guys beyond talk radio willing to speak out, and call it like it is. Amazing our Warrior ideology has become populated by so many limp wrists at the top of the food chain.


30 posted on 02/16/2013 9:04:25 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: EricT.

Rush needs to become somewhat more pro-American in trade.

That is my only criticism of Limbaugh.

He is too sold on foreign trade, which is now anti-American.


31 posted on 02/16/2013 9:07:03 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: AnonymousConservative
"Seems like he and Allen West are the only guys beyond talk radio willing to speak out, and call it like it is."

Ted Cruz and to a lesser extent, Tom Cotton, seem to be putting rounds on target.

32 posted on 02/16/2013 9:08:10 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lakeshark; wayoverontheright
the reason the economy went to crap right before Bush left office was not the fault of political decisions emanating from the White House.

... there was enough failure in the vision of the Bush/Rove white house to assign plenty of blame to them.

^5


33 posted on 02/16/2013 9:09:23 AM PST by Jane Long
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To: lonevoice
Trump was definitely a 'Rat for quite a while. He may actually be coming around in his old age.

Jury's still out.

34 posted on 02/16/2013 9:10:38 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Hah! Not gonna happen. Rush is pro NAFTA, GATT, etc. He stopped supporting Buchanan because Pat was criticizing ‘free-trade’ too much.

That was the last candidate he supported prior to a primary if I remember.

35 posted on 02/16/2013 9:11:05 AM PST by Theoria
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36 posted on 02/16/2013 9:12:46 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Being pro trade is recognizing that the year is not 1960. It is 2013.

The isolationist thought and concepts are no longer viable. We live in a world of global trade where one can buy cables and other computer stuff direct from Hong Kong vendors over ebay, shipped by USMail and paid for with PayPal. Delivery is 4 or 5 days

Like Lord Grantham on Downton Abby, the world you so dearly cherish just doesn’t exist any more.

One last thought..... check out Alibaba.com to see the proof.


37 posted on 02/16/2013 9:14:41 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Lakeshark

This article is really good.

But you know, it is all things we have said here on FreeRepublic over and over again about Tokyo Rove.

At least he is finally getting what he deserves.


38 posted on 02/16/2013 9:33:18 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82
At least he is finally getting what he deserves.

We can hope this kind of criticism of "the architect" continues and gets enough dissemination to those who donated to the Rove pacs.......

Rove lost it after the second Bush election, he simply doesn't know how to win, what is right, or how to push the right buttons anymore.

39 posted on 02/16/2013 9:40:25 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Theoria

Rand pretty much now supports Illegal Alien Amnesty based on his recent comments. Sounding like his father. Yes keep an eye on him....avoid Cult of Personality w RP


40 posted on 02/16/2013 9:57:49 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: bert

Free Trade is a liberal idea that does not work. Who is going to keep subsidizing trilions of $$ in trade deficits and subsidies to counter foreign under-cutting of prices ?? Our government is broke. Free Trade has failed. Communist China ain’t bailing us out


41 posted on 02/16/2013 10:03:43 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Grandma Conservative

IMO that time has come and gone. The GOP is corrupt to the core and liberals control all the levers of power and set the rules. They will never surrender power. Time to bury this rotting corpse and start anew.


42 posted on 02/16/2013 10:05:16 AM PST by sarge83
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Karl Rove has become the very picture of “Establishment GOP” so beloved of country club and armchair political (or is that “poo-litical”?)types. But Mr. Rove is woefully uninformed about the aims and ambitions of the so-called T.E.A. party members, who have come to an undeniable truth. There is NO negotiation with committed supporters of the Current Occupant of the White Hut, NO common ground between Bronco Bama’s vision of America and the vision enjoyed even so recently as when Ronald Reagan was President.

Rush Limbaugh, though he claims to be no T.E.A. party member, articulates their point of view just about every day (except when he is talking about the NFL). Rush tries to keep dialogue open between himself and Karl Rove, and for short periods of time, during this dialogue, Mr. Rove sounds almost rational and agreeable. Then Rove goes off the air, and resumes his old message, which is “get along, go along, don’t rock the boat”, the almost guaranteed method to keep the Republican Party subservient to the wants and demands of the “liberal establishment”, because, doncha know, we are all gentlemen here.

The Bush years (41 AND 43) were a steady erosion of American principles, the first with apparent indecisiveness on domestic affairs (particularly tax policy), and the second with apparent inability to exercise a veto pen when it was most needed. The Interregnum, when the Former Occupant of the Oval Office 1993-2001 was so actively scrambling to score chicks and spread around a little populism, was actually a more conservative time for the GOP than either of the two Bush administrations. Actively challenged, the GOP stepped up and DID something with their majorities, unlike the early part of the Bush-43 term. Way too much time and effort by the Republicans then was spent on personal aggrandization and dipping in the pork barrel, giving the Democratz a wholly unjustified opportunity to speak of the “culture of corruption”. As if the Democratz never had any of their own.

Water over the dam now, can’t step in the same river twice. The current crop of Republican congressmen and senators are dismissive of just about anything the T.E.A. people propose as a way to get this country back on track and back to being the America it can and should be.

Fiscally sound, openly encouraging entrepreneurs to exercise their best judgment and accumulated wisdom, and self-reliance once again elevated to a virtue. Home defense and personal health are BOTH the primary concern of the individual, and no third party can in any way provide either in a swift, sure and timely manner. No size police force can respond quickly enough to home invasions or assault out on the street, and no medical review panel or remote bureaucrat can make a determination of the best course for preservation or improvement of the health of the individual.

And just who does this Karl Rove think he is, making deals about who and who cannot be a viable Republican Candidate? He has shut down WAY too many very good potential candidates, either by damning them with faint praise, or actively working for their removal from contention, to favor a more “complaisant” (but not viable) candidates.

Is this only because it is “their turn” for a particular candidate? Or is it an active campaign to make the GOP forever marginal?

The tale of the demise of the Whigs should be instructive.


43 posted on 02/16/2013 10:12:45 AM PST by alloysteel (If conspiracy does not exist everywhere, it exists nowhere.)
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To: Lakeshark

Agree!


44 posted on 02/16/2013 10:28:43 AM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: sarge83

Do you have any reason to believe that the GOPe could stop a mass organized conservative effort to take the reigns of power in the party? More specifically, can you name any party rules that they could use to prevent us from removing them from power?


45 posted on 02/16/2013 10:29:50 AM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: sarge83
IMO that time has come and gone. The GOP is corrupt to the core and liberals control all the levers of power and set the rules. They will never surrender power. Time to bury this rotting corpse and start anew.

So true, unless someone can give a rational perspective on how to end it with this oligarchy in place.

46 posted on 02/16/2013 10:46:46 AM PST by Digger
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To: hcmama
Exactly. And together they just about destroyed the Party of Reagan and ushered in the Era of Socialist Mediocrity. Nice work, fellas.

The Party of Reagan was temporary, but I believe it still exists at the local level and among the rank and file. At the national level it has returned to being the Loser Party that it was between Hoover and Reagan.

47 posted on 02/16/2013 10:51:15 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Lakeshark

WAS IT ROVE’S INCOMPETENCE ...OR IS HE A JUDAS GOAT ?

To borrow from Rush Limbaugh for those living Riolinda a Judas goat is used to lead US sheeples to the slaughter pen . The Republicans were give a chance to use a wedge issue to split up the democratic party and blew it.

Besides being unable to equate Obama’s socialist schemes particularly his energy policy running up the costs on everything and still is thus forcing those with limited incomes to go on the dole. BTW the angle here is to blame the system not the folks using it. Because they have to. But it’s a signature of Rove’s past performances when with Bush. The demo-coms used it because it fell into “heartless Republicans”.
Blaming Obama and explaining that policy in terms those proverbial LIV’s could understand wasn’t even considered. Refusing to attack Obama was based on MSM polling showing his popularity suggesting an intellectual inability by Rove and the GOPES to rejoin any racial charge.

....Does anybody remember what the Democrats did at their convention ??? First they eliminated any mention of the word GOD...and when they thought twice about doing that they reintroduced the resolution what happened ? They booed God....That resolution was rammed through just like the Affordable Health Care Act ...

Was that fact used in any of the material Rove’s RINOS spewed forth during the 2012 Romney or US senate races his group of GOPES (Government Ofthe People Elite Snobs) used on their hit list ? I like using that acronym because it rhymes with dopes.

Noooo ! They could have used that episode to point out how far to the left the democrat party has hyphenated into; Demo-Coms ...Instead well we don’t like Aikin ...He said what ? OMG OMG he’s unqualified ...If there was a chance he would have been burned at the stake by Rove’s RINOS and the so called “conservative “ talkies spouting Rove’s tripe.

Why ? What drove this ? They were responding to the miss-direction driven by Obama’s instuments of oppression Mainline Socialist Media (MSM).The Aikin or O’Donnells response to a set up phoney issue had nothing to do with any thing that would ever occur in any legislation that would pass their respective desks had they been elected.

THE RESPONSE YOU DIDN’T HEAR WAS THIS “”While at their convention the Democrats were busy denying God . Aikin believes in something like the ten commandments. Including Thou shalt not steal and doesn’t believe that getting elected to office gives you a license to do steal ... Which his opponent seems to have done rather well since being in office. The same thing with Mourdock,O’Donnnell, etc,etc, etc.

That presentation could have been expanded to Reid, Pelosi, and the slew of Demo-Com pigs at the trough. Expanding their personal wealth at the expense of the US taxpayers.

Now his bunch seems to be saying if you hold a religious view don’t run for office... We’re gonna save the Republican party ....to be finished off by Obama and the hypenated democrats..
Roves RINOS wrong for America and wrong for the Republican party...


48 posted on 02/16/2013 11:00:44 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: Paladin2

Yes, I agree. We need more, though.


49 posted on 02/16/2013 11:12:18 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: Digger

It is possible that if you took over the Conservative Party, and saw to it they nominated candidates before the Republicans, you could offer the Republican Party the option of nominating the Conservative Party’s already nominated Candidate (who will definitely be on the ballot)and winning, or of splitting the vote with a RINO and definitely losing.

It would be like what the Rinos do, but in reverse. Nominate the real Conservative, or you will definitely lose.


50 posted on 02/16/2013 11:15:50 AM PST by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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