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Obama's Quiet Ally: Who's Behind Gun Control Bill No One Is Talking About - Sen. Mark Kirk (R), IL
CS Monitor ^ | February 15, 2013 | Mark Guarino

Posted on 02/16/2013 9:39:58 AM PST by DogByte6RER

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Obama's quiet ally: Who's behind gun control bill no one is talking about

As President Obama comes to Chicago to talk gun control, Illinois' Republican senator, Mark Kirk, is pushing a bill to target gun trafficking. It's under the radar, but could have a greater impact than other bills.

As President Obama pushes for gun control in Chicago Friday, an unexpected ally from his home state, Sen. Mark Kirk (R) of Illinois, is crossing party lines to propose legislation that could have a greater impact than higher-profile proposals to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, experts say.

Senator Kirk and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D) of New York introduced the bill, which targets gun trafficking, last week.

The bill defines gun trafficking as a crime. It focuses on organized crime, cartels, and street gangs, and makes it illegal to purchase, sell, or transfer more than one firearm to someone – or on the behalf of someone – who could be reasonably expected to use it in a crime. Gun shop owners who knowingly facilitate such purchases would also be liable. Maximum penalties are 20 years in prison.

“Kirk’s take is really interesting, no one else is talking about that,” says Wayne Steger, a political scientist at DePaul University in Chicago. “Gun running across state borders and selling to unlicensed and unregistered people is the big problem.”

According to the University of Chicago Crime Lab, which researches gun violence and crime policy, the majority of guns confiscated or used in crimes in Chicago were purchased outside the city limits. The top source states for firearms recovered in Chicago include Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, and Texas. These states either have weaker gun laws or are historically connected to Chicago over generations, with families residing in both areas.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; bho; chicagoclub; guncontrol; gungrabbers; guntraffcking; kirk; markkirk; obama; rino; secondamendment; undertheradar
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RINO U.S. Senator from Illinois, Mark Kirk

1 posted on 02/16/2013 9:40:05 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

Republican = enemy.


2 posted on 02/16/2013 9:41:28 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Mark Kirk is to the left of most democrats in the Senate.


3 posted on 02/16/2013 9:42:30 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: DogByte6RER

When is this clown up for a contested Primary?


4 posted on 02/16/2013 9:44:13 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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5 posted on 02/16/2013 9:45:08 AM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
"....The top source states for firearms recovered in Chicago include Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, and Texas. These states either have weaker gun laws or are historically connected to Chicago over generations, with families residing in both areas...."

That's racist!!!

6 posted on 02/16/2013 9:47:27 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: DogByte6RER
"reasonably expected to be used in a crime" eh? And notice the threshold for the offense is selling more than one.

Weird. It would just be one more law that is not enforced. And, it's left up to the jury to decide any question labeled "reasonably."

So, I'd take this opportunity to find out where, in the US Constitution, the Senator finds this to be a federal power. Is he a subscriber to big federal government, or small federal government? Is he a strict constructionist, or not?

7 posted on 02/16/2013 9:50:07 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: DogByte6RER

This liberal scumbag is exactly the kind of stealth rat the GOPe foisted on the party, and exactly the kind of scumbag who needs to be flushed down the toilet, ASAP. Anyway, he’s brain damaged, ain’t he?


8 posted on 02/16/2013 9:51:32 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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9 posted on 02/16/2013 9:51:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DogByte6RER

What is in the details of the bill???? It is my understanding chicago has no gun stores so all guns come from somewhere other than chicago?? Duh!


10 posted on 02/16/2013 9:53:40 AM PST by therut
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To: DogByte6RER
Gun running across state borders and selling to unlicensed and unregistered people is the big problem.
That is already a federal (or federal + state) offense. Private sales between people in the same state has no federal regulation (generally, setting aside Class 3 or whatever short barrel shotguns, silencers, etc. are); but once things go interstate, a federally licensed dealer must become involved, and must follow the law of the state he is selling into.
11 posted on 02/16/2013 9:54:02 AM PST by Cboldt
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They must be driven out of the party OR a new party must be initiated and drive the GOP to 3rd party status.
12 posted on 02/16/2013 9:54:30 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Lancey Howard
This liberal scumbag is exactly the kind of stealth rat the GOPe foisted on the party, and exactly the kind of scumbag who needs to be flushed down the toilet, ASAP.

Another one of Roves wondrous solutions to the GOP. Mark Kirk Gets Financial Boost From Karl Rove

IT is Rove that has to be kicked aside.
13 posted on 02/16/2013 9:59:02 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cboldt; Graybeard58

Most of the time that Sen. Kirk was a congressman, I lived in his district. His rating from Gun Owners of America is usually 0%, and his rating from Planned Parenthood is usually 100%. He frequently votes for unconstitutional pork barrel spending.

Will he have a conservative primary opponent, in 2016? I hope that he’ll lose his primary to someone who agrees with most of the republican platform.


14 posted on 02/16/2013 10:00:13 AM PST by PhilCollins
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To: DogByte6RER

Republicans that have ‘a full set’ need to amend any/every gun-control bill to require that loss of voting rights be tied to loss of gun rights.
Can’t be trusted to own a gun? Sorry Skippy, you can’t vote.

The liberals would lose their love for gun-control instantly!


15 posted on 02/16/2013 10:06:50 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: DogByte6RER

Sen. Mark Kirk (R) of Illinois, is crossing party lines for $$$$$$$$$.
Not a Rino but a mole.


16 posted on 02/16/2013 10:10:26 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: DogByte6RER

I guess 20,000+ gun laws just aren’t enough.
Maybe one more will do the trick.


17 posted on 02/16/2013 10:12:34 AM PST by barefoot_hiker
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To: Cboldt

“reasonably expected to be used in a crime” eh?

Yup. What criteria are to be used to determine if a stranger fits that bill? And how long before Holder’s minions start prosecuting “racist” gun store owners for “discrimination” because they refuse to sell to more blacks than whites?


18 posted on 02/16/2013 10:14:08 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: DogByte6RER

But, but, he’s a Republican! The Pollyannas who tell us we have to support politicians like Kirk say all that needs to be done is fill the Senate with people like him, and our country’s problems are solved!

Vote for people with an “R” after their name! That’s all the qualification you need! < / Pollyanna GOP sillyness off, Rove logic off >


19 posted on 02/16/2013 10:15:52 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: Hugin
-- What criteria are to be used to determine if a stranger fits that bill? --

Remember, it only matters for the second gun sold.

Good point about the claim of racism. A rock-solid rule of thumb for reducing the chances of selling into "be used in a crime" is to never sell to a black person. The FBI crime statistics provide reasonable basis for that discrimination.

20 posted on 02/16/2013 10:24:33 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: DogByte6RER

I have the unfortunate luck to live in Illinois. Since Congress supposedly listens to it’s constituents, I wrote a long email to Sen. Kirk urging him to not take away our 2nd ammendment rights, especially since our govt. is giving terrorists guns.

Not sure if it will help, but I couldn’t not try.....


21 posted on 02/16/2013 10:42:02 AM PST by mrsadams
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To: Travis McGee

I was in a store this week that sells gun and ammo, a mob scene. The people are preparing for battle. Rationed ammo, if you can find it, and out of stock routine weapons - it is amazing that the government says nothing but ban ban ban. I am surprised they do not try to calm people down. These customers are in a bad mood, have had enough. I have been in countries prior to and during outbreak of armed hostilities: this is what happens prior to the bad times.

In Houston, there are fully armed Apache helicopter gunships cruising up and down the I-10 Katy Freeway at rush hour. The Fedgov is being highly provocative in Houston.

The Zetas are also here now , in a big way, being escorted across town by City of Houston Police cars, cops on the take, with narcotrafficantes running four main businesses through Houston: drug transit and sales, illegals smuggling, gun and cash running, and protection/extortion rackets. I think the narcotrafficantes are also behind the rampant car burglary (all over town) and increased house burglary - society here is quietly disintegrating into lawlessness. Almost everyone I know is armed 100% of the time for self protection. A 4 am prowler tried to kick in my 28 year old daughter’s apartment door last week, Hispanic with no shirt on in 50 degree weather in the dark, a predator, taken away by the police. Now she is ready if he returns, with a big shotgun, and a nice new 9mm, following shooting instruction and CHL class.

People here will retain the creator endowed RTKBA no matter what laws the communist politburo promulgates or decrees.


22 posted on 02/16/2013 10:46:17 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: DogByte6RER

Supported by Rove’s Conservative Victory Project, no doubt.


23 posted on 02/16/2013 11:05:59 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: mrsadams; BillyBoy

Most of the time that Sen. Kirk was a congressman, I lived in his district. His rating from Gun Owners of America is usually 0%, and his rating from Planned Parenthood is usually 100%. He frequently votes for unconstitutional pork barrel spending.

Will he have a conservative primary opponent, in 2016? I hope that he’ll lose his primary to someone who agrees with most of the republican platform.


24 posted on 02/16/2013 12:10:36 PM PST by PhilCollins
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To: DogByte6RER
The bill defines gun trafficking as a crime. It focuses on organized crime, cartels, and street gangs, and makes it illegal to purchase, sell, or transfer more than one firearm to someone – or on the behalf of someone – who could be reasonably expected to use it in a crime.

Excuse me, but shouldn’t the Dear Liar and his Fast & Furious; Guns for Gangsters operation be the first prosecution under such a law?

Gun shop owners who knowingly facilitate such purchases would also be liable. Maximum penalties are 20 years in prison.

What about lying wannabe Emperors that did far worse?

25 posted on 02/16/2013 1:04:46 PM PST by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: DogByte6RER

Rather than clean up their own neighborhoods, these losers want to take what they are doing and get everyone in tht ecountry doing it.


26 posted on 02/16/2013 1:14:51 PM PST by Fido969
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To: DogByte6RER
The Lord loves a hangin'.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 1:28:44 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: DogByte6RER

The irony, of course, is that Barry and the Illinois Democratic machine are already lining up an opponent for Kirk in 2016, and the whisper campaign (that he isn’t up to the job, due to the stroke he suffered last year) is already underway.

If Kirk thinks this bill will preserve his Senate career, he is sadly mistaken.


28 posted on 02/16/2013 1:33:46 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: Islander7
“The top source states for firearms recovered in Chicago include Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, and Texas.”

Sooo, if Chicago could get every gun out of Texas, there wouldn't be any more from Texas going to Chicago and less people would be killed in Chicago. Really, that's what liberals will think. Those Chicago people are dead due to Texas, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky and Alabama.

Sometimes, I think the US is full of the mentally unhinged.

29 posted on 02/16/2013 1:55:00 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Soros


30 posted on 02/16/2013 2:41:29 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Lexington and Concord Americans experience thier first gun grab attempt)
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