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The Illusions of Supplemental Security Income, from Someone Who Knows
American Thinker ^ | 02/16/2013 | Deborah C. Tyler

Posted on 02/16/2013 12:53:15 PM PST by SeekAndFind

I've looked at SSI Disability from both sides now, from in and out, and still somehow it's the scammers, the duped, and the resentful I recall.

I have been involved in hundreds of SSI Disability cases. I have worked in the system providing mental status exams, called consultative examinations, in two states. I have done dozens of private psychological evaluations for people trying to get on Disability rolls. I have sent reams of case notes and reports to the Disability bureaucracy on behalf of therapy clients.

There have been memorable examinations. One was of a sassy prostitute. She said she worked for an "escort service," but it seemed important to her that I know the full range of her proficiencies. Her claim for SSI was based on major depression, but she seemed in high spirits to me -- or, as we say, "affect contraindicated mood disorder at this time." I think she was just getting a little long in the tooth for "claimant's customary employment."

I have interviewed foul-mouthed teenagers whose mommas thought they could shake a few dollars out of the system on the basis of "oppositional-defiant disorder." One 17-year-old was memorable because she came with a baby on her hip. Without the sophistication or coaching to understand what kind of money she was trying to get, she told me with more than a hint of hostility how smart, empowered, and free she was to do "whatever the f-" she wanted. I asked her, "Do you know what the word 'disability' means?"

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1 posted on 02/16/2013 12:53:23 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

MOST of the people on SSI ARE NOT old people, blind, or even disabled.....
WHAT THEY ARE IS LAZY... grasshoppers shaking down the ants so to say..


2 posted on 02/16/2013 12:58:20 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind

The disability program is so dishonest and corrupt that honest disabled people are told they can’t qualify without a lawyer and the able bodied scum are told we will give you free money. The Democrats know this program is corrupt. That is how they want it.


3 posted on 02/16/2013 1:01:03 PM PST by detective
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To: hosepipe; SeekAndFind

I have: Heart disease, out-of-control hypertension and diabetes, p.a.d., edema, hearing loss, etc., etc. and have been turned down flat three times.


4 posted on 02/16/2013 1:02:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The posting of this article is very timely. FYI, just this past week I had to go to my local Social Security office to drop off two documents relative to my wife and my S.S.
I walked in the door at 9AM sharp. Sixty or seventy seats were fully occupied and there was a line of 15-20 more people waiting to sign in.

Here’s the kicker and the outrage. CLEARLY 60-70 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THAT ROOM WERE 50 YEARS OLD OR LESS. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS ON MANY LEVELS.


5 posted on 02/16/2013 1:08:44 PM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: SeekAndFind

bi-polar is a disability?


6 posted on 02/16/2013 1:16:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You need to allege back pain and depression. The law requires consideration of subjective complaints. So, if someone alleges disabling pain and depression, they have a better chance, even if all of the objective documentation isn’t there. This is especially true when a denial is appealed to the hearing level and goes before an Administrative Law Judge.


7 posted on 02/16/2013 1:17:56 PM PST by Adventure gal
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To: Adventure gal

I have a question. I have been diagnosed with a chronic disease that is hard to handle. What are my odds of getting disability benefits.


8 posted on 02/16/2013 1:20:42 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: Adventure gal
I had a more thorough exam to play Pop Warner football than the ones I received for Social Security.
9 posted on 02/16/2013 1:26:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: eyedigress
"I have been diagnosed with a chronic disease that is hard to handle. What are my odds of getting disability benefits."

Are you on of Holder's People?

If not, you are REQUIRED to work, to provide for them.

10 posted on 02/16/2013 1:29:46 PM PST by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: hosepipe

SSI is not SSDI, if you dont’ even know the difference what credibility could you possibly have?


11 posted on 02/16/2013 1:49:05 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: hosepipe

I don’t know that your statement is correct. There are many disabled people, whose disabilities are not readily apparent. I walk with a cane, but my real disability is that my brain was oxygen deprived when my heart stopped. Now I have difficulty expressing coherent thoughts, trying to learn things and memory loss. I also can’t see well enough to do close work and my hearing is shot.. I used to be a legal secretary. I can’t do the job anymore and trying to learn anything else is just about impossible.

Early on, I had hopes of going back to work, but that’s impossible. I came from an environment where you received an education, found a job and worked for what you need. When I had to take disability, it was hard for me. I didn’t want to be a charity case. But it was pointed out to me that after having worked for 35 years, it wasn’t charity. I paid into the program and now that I needed the financial support, hell yeah, I’m entitled to it.

I understand the frustration with people receiving benefits who never paid in and who just want a check without working. Sadly though, thanks to the slackers and con artists, the truly disabled often receive no benefits. And all disabled people are treated like parasites.


12 posted on 02/16/2013 1:57:42 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Usagi_yo

SSI is not SSDI, if you dont’ even know the difference what credibility could you possibly have?


YES IT IS... they are the same.. sister entitlements..
Dual parasitic political organisms.. Vampires from the beginning.. bleeding the economy...

BOTH draw on Social Security.. funded from one source..
They are the same mechanism.. one a Tapeworm the other intestinal worms.. SAME DISEASE.. different worm..

Are you a RINO.. you smell like a RINO?..


13 posted on 02/16/2013 2:03:13 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SSI? If you have more than $2000 cash in the bank, you don’t qualify.

The most you get under federal law is $800 a month which doesn’t go very far.


14 posted on 02/16/2013 2:05:22 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Step 1. Have heart attack or bout of Pulmonary Edema that puts you in the hospital.

Step 2. Do not return to work, I repeat, do not return to work.

Step 3. File for State Disability. One year is almost a gimmie, particularly in blue states.

Step 4. While on State Disability, get a lawyer and file for SSDI, not SSI but SSDI. They are different. The lawyer fee is set by SS, so dont’ sweat it, just get one of those guys that specialize in SS.

Step 5. Save money. SS will take months to complete but they’ll back pay you to the date of filing.

Step 6. Pay the state back the disability insurance they’ve paid that overlaps with SSDI when approved. The lawyer’s fee will be deducted from your Lump Sum back payment from SS.

You’ll die before your cardiologist and doctor recommend SSD. Push the issue with the lawyers. All you need are medically certified conditions, you dont’ need *your* doctors, cardiologist approval, just the list of conditions.

For CHF people, know your Ejection fraction. SSDI is like a gimmie when you’re below 28%.


15 posted on 02/16/2013 2:05:41 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

SSI is a general Social Security support program paid for out of general taxes.

You have a history of work and get disabled, you can get SSDI which has tougher qualifications. Its considered one of the most difficult federal programs to qualify for and if you have a genuine work-related disability, you’re better off hiring a lawyer to win your case with the SSA.


16 posted on 02/16/2013 2:08:55 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Usagi_yo

Yup. Its very degrading and most people will just go the SSI route which is far easier.

The burden is on you to prove you’re disabled and lawyers will take a major chunk out of your SSDI payment. Its not considered entitlement so that’s why its so strict.


17 posted on 02/16/2013 2:12:17 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: fatnotlazy

Sadly though, thanks to the slackers and con artists, the truly disabled often receive no benefits. And all disabled people are treated like parasites.


TRUE.. some are truly disabled.. like the blind..
But then you have your Helen Keller’s.. Ray Charles’s..
Some deserve a helping hand.. but not total entitlement..

ENTITLEMENT is itself an oxymoron..
Laziness is a symptom of entitlement..
Why NOT?.. If you can be a grasshopper why be an ant?..
there is shame with being a grasshopper..

This subject is the cross america is bearing..
and is the very subject america absolutely refuses to face..
and by the way IS THE STRENGTH of communism’s allure..

You know.......... addiction to laziness.. apathy, deadness, drowsiness, dullness, idleness, immobility, immobilization, inactivity, indolence, languor, lassitude, lethargy, listlessness, oscitancy, paralysis, passivity, sloth, sluggishness, stillness, stupor, torpidity, torpor, unresponsiveness....

Like that..


18 posted on 02/16/2013 2:24:26 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: goldstategop

SSI is a general Social Security support program paid for out of general taxes.


Everything is paid out of general taxes.. there IS NO TRUST FUND..
Democrats stole it long long ago.. before the GOP became socialists..


19 posted on 02/16/2013 2:30:30 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind

SSI Suppplemental Security Income
SSDI Social security Disability Income

The majority of people getting SSI are people whom believe because they are diagnosed with a mental illness they can no longer work.

disability is granted for people whom have a physical medical issue that will endure for more than year or result in death. The problem with disability is that the lawyer is required by the Social security administration for the hearing process. generally in the hearing the attorney with the medical documentation and the rehabilitation specialists whom are present will make a determination at that time.

disability is different than supplemental security income. many whom get supplemental have never paid into the system at all.

in the county I reside in supplemental is generally granted to those whom have a mental illness and are awaiting a decision. the mental health service at the county level is the one that pushes for ssi. due to the nature that their agency is dependent upon the state mental health system to ensure payment. many of the mental health patients are pushed into supported employment and eventually are deemed ineligible because the mental illness is not severe enough. in turn the person is bumped out of the system, the person moves out of the county and goes to another county and strives to manipulate the system all over again. remember these type of people are lazy, malingerers and basically morons.


20 posted on 02/16/2013 2:33:51 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: hosepipe

Dubious and full of generalities — typical of somebody that is talking about something they have no knowledge of.

Just like your lumping of SSI and SSDI together and not even knowing there was a difference, and then speaking up in this thread was a mistake.

You have nothing, you have no facts on just how many SSDI claims or SSI claims are individuals engaged in fraud for themselves.

Give me the breakdown in %% of fraudulent claims that are from individuals vs. fraudulent claims from Medical practitioners. Site your source while you’re at it cause we’re not going to believe your generalities and platitudes.


21 posted on 02/16/2013 2:36:57 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: hondact200
"The majority of people getting SSI are people whom believe because they are diagnosed with a mental illness they can no longer work."

You really need to watch how you word and write your opinions. An otherwise fine opinion complete with empirical example and a believable behind the scenes description of what goes on is totally ruined by the casual use of "The Majority", when in fact you do not have total knowledge of that fact.

Many SSI recipients are people awaiting transplants for things like hearts, kidneys, liver et al, still others are people diagnosed with cancer or tumors and are on Chemotherapy.

Yes, there is abuse, fraud. More institutional than individual in Dollar terms, but there are a lot of untruths and overly speculative and dismissive statements being presented here in this thread.

22 posted on 02/16/2013 2:51:59 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: AlphaOneAlpha
Millions of middle-class people are forfeiting the moral code that honors work, and they are being deprived of the self-respect that comes from doing their best. They are succumbing to the "government handout" mentality.

The Democrats can only import so many third worlders to guarantee them automatic votes. The other half of the equation is to turn the once productive into non-productive.

23 posted on 02/16/2013 2:53:05 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Adventure gal
So, if someone alleges disabling pain and depression, they have a better chance, even if all of the objective documentation isn’t there.

A sister-in-law's husband is on SSI disability, barely 50. Claimed his back is messed up and he can't work. My mother-in-law needed a broken TV console taken out. I told her I would need help, because it was 150 to 250 pounds and bulky. Next time I came it was gone. Mom says he carried it out and down a couple flights of stairs himself. So much for a bad back. He's constantly carrying stuff to flea markets for sale. Hate the lazy jerk.

24 posted on 02/16/2013 2:55:56 PM PST by roadcat
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To: hosepipe

SSI or SSDI are not entitlements they are welfare programs:

Many people believe that Social Security is an “earned right.” That is, they think that because they have paid Social Security taxes, they are entitled to receive Social Security benefits. The government encourages that belief by referring to Social Security taxes as “contributions,” as in the Federal Insurance Contribution Act. However, in the 1960 case of Fleming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that workers have no legally binding contractual rights to their Social Security benefits, and that those benefits can be cut or even eliminated at any time.

Nestor sued, claiming that because he had paid Social Security taxes, he had a right to Social Security benefits.

The Supreme Court disagreed, saying “To engraft upon the Social Security system a concept of ‘accrued property rights’ would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever changing conditions which it demands.” The Court went on to say, “It is apparent that the non-contractual interest of an employee covered by the [Social Security] Act cannot be soundly analogized to that of the holder of an annuity, whose right to benefits is bottomed on his contractual premium payments.”

In an earlier case, Helvering v. Davis (1937), the Court had ruled that Social Security was not a contributory insurance program, saying, “The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way.”

In other words, Social Security is not an insurance program nor entitlement program or whatever magic words policians want to use to bamboozle the voters. It is simply a payroll tax on one side and a welfare program on the other. Your Social Security “benefits” are always subject to the whim of 535 politicians in Washington.


25 posted on 02/16/2013 4:10:29 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: SeekAndFind

Applying when not TOTALLY disabled should be a fellony!!

If they can work at any kind of a job they shouldn’t qualify.


26 posted on 02/16/2013 4:22:14 PM PST by dalereed
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To: GeronL

Bipolar is a disability when the disease is so out of control, that psychosis is one of the major symptoms. There are bipolar patients whose constellation of symptoms cannot be easily differntiated from schitzophrenia.

Some mentally ill people cannot work. Most can.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 4:32:43 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

It’s more like a mood swing for my brother


28 posted on 02/16/2013 4:35:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Adventure gal

do you know how many calls I get from people on SSI who tell me that their doctors wont recertify their back disability again and that they are now enormously depressed about it and need an evaluation for major depressive disorder and disability.

More than you can imagine.

And they think that working with them is doing me a favor.

I tell them I am the wrong person for that evaluation.

They usually hang up quietly.


29 posted on 02/16/2013 4:35:51 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: hosepipe; Jim Robinson

Hosepipe, pipe down. Stop calling people names because they disagree with you. Jim, where are we getting these people?

All the disability programs were put into place by that GREATEST GENERATION that didnt want to deal with disabilities and instead kicked the ball forward.


30 posted on 02/16/2013 4:41:05 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Usagi_yo

Because of the high bar due to cheaters I have watched several people become sicker and die while waiting. Then the cases are mooted.


31 posted on 02/16/2013 4:43:57 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: GeronL

Mood swings can be dangerous but managed. Taking meds and taking care is the best course. Keeping busy is important too.

I have watched some of the bravest people in the world with mental illness work hard to make their lives work to the best of their abilities. Each time it shatters due to their illness, they get up and rebuild. they learn skills to catch themselves before the shatter.

Brave.


32 posted on 02/16/2013 4:50:42 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

He is taking the test to get his CDL back on Monday, I hope he gets it because he said he already has a job lined up for it


33 posted on 02/16/2013 5:05:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My step Dad had heart disease, doctors said caused by 20 + years flying which included missions spanning Korea thru Cambodia. Great guy..sense of humor and Southern sarcasm. They gave him grief, denied his disability up until about 2 years before he passed away. The stress on him due to his inability to work and support himself definitely shortened his life. To add insult to injury they changed the terms of retirement AFTER he was already retired...which then excluded his spouse from receiving benefits. So my Mom lives on a very small social security allowance and I watch as freeloaders live large off of what should have compensated both of them for his service to this country.


34 posted on 02/16/2013 5:08:45 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Chickensoup

Hosepipe, pipe down. Stop calling people names because they disagree with you.


I called no one a name.. merely asked a question..
If the shoe “wore”.. then one could wear it..
Are you a RINO?..


35 posted on 02/16/2013 5:09:20 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: GeronL

Me too.

Insurance companies have limited work for just about everyone to limit their risk and make profit.


36 posted on 02/16/2013 5:14:51 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: hosepipe

Asking me if I am a Rino is calling names. Damning it is.

Stuff it.


37 posted on 02/16/2013 5:16:15 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: SeekAndFind

btt


38 posted on 02/16/2013 5:19:12 PM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: Chickensoup

All the disability programs were put into place by that GREATEST GENERATION that didnt want to deal with disabilities and instead kicked the ball forward.


Federal programs to deal with almost anything cannot work well or at all..
Citizen Disability is NONE of the federal givernments business..

Citizen care is a States business.. for ALL citizens are citizens of States not the federal givernment..
The federal givernment has ZERO citizens.. except in territorys.. which are wards of the feds...

Whether you are a Ward of the federal givernment or a citizen of a State is exactly to conversation to have..
Democrats will fight to the death NOT TO HAVE THIS conversation.. and not a few RINOs..


39 posted on 02/16/2013 5:21:46 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Chickensoup

Asking me if I am a Rino is calling names. Damning it is.


Calm down.......... you’re projecting....


40 posted on 02/16/2013 5:23:42 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Whether you are a Ward of the federal givernment or a citizen of a State is exactly to conversation to have..
Democrats will fight to the death NOT TO HAVE THIS conversation.. and not a few RINOs..

_________________

Totally agree with you but you still are an a**.


41 posted on 02/16/2013 5:31:41 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

SSI or SSDI are not entitlements they are welfare programs:


Quite true.. but some would say welfare is an entitlement..
Which IS the question... What is a citizen entitled to?..
This has never been fleshed out.. little wonder the open door thats been given to it..

The commies walked right in sat down and “boguarded” the conversation..
Course they renamed themselves with several handels to confuse..
And it did when “WE” sent conservatives to Wash. that didnt even know what conservative meant..

So how on earth could they fight for something they didnt know what “WAS”..
Course it is much worse today.. Boehner and Mac whats his name are clueless..

Welfare always was a political disease, but now it seems to be terminal..
Boehner and Mac are doing “Weekend at Bernies” with Uncle Sam.. and the cigar has gone out.. the ball cap is askew..


42 posted on 02/16/2013 5:44:22 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Chickensoup

Totally agree with you but you still are an a**.


You should have asked me “if I WAS an ass”...
Then you would not be calling me a name..

I accept name calling.. but alas; I GRADE IT..
We use trolls out here as target practice.. [beware]..
Are you a troll?..


43 posted on 02/16/2013 5:50:04 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Yes I am a troll.

and you remain an a**.


44 posted on 02/16/2013 5:59:59 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup
Yes I am a troll, and you remain an a**.
---------------------------------------------

I really love straight forward answers..
Hold my cigar and beer..
....(( HUG ))...

45 posted on 02/16/2013 6:05:12 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Take another drink...


46 posted on 02/16/2013 6:07:59 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

Take another drink...


I don’t drink and my breath smells of roses and my teeth are white..
BOTH OF THEM..


47 posted on 02/16/2013 6:12:33 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

I don’t drink and my breath smells of roses and my teeth are white..
BOTH OF THEM..

____________________

That many?


48 posted on 02/16/2013 6:13:52 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

Don’t try to sweet talk me Soupy, I’m tough...
Catch ya on the “git back”... Lock an Load...


49 posted on 02/16/2013 6:17:50 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: dalereed
"Applying when not TOTALLY disabled should be a fellony!! If they can work at any kind of a job they shouldn’t qualify."

And Death for bad grammar and misspelled words!!!

50 posted on 02/16/2013 7:26:16 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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