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Dems: Obama Doesn’t Need Congress For Immigration Reform, You Know
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2013/02/16/dems-obama-doesnt-need-congress-for-immigration-reform-you-know-n1514143 ^ | Leah Barkoukis

Posted on 02/16/2013 5:25:34 PM PST by Kaslin

Democratic lawmakers seem confident immigration reform will happen in the near future because even if Congress doesn’t act, the president will move forward with executive orders, they say. Via The Hill:

"I don't think the president will be hands off on immigration for any moment in time," Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.), the head of the House Democratic Caucus, told reporters this week. "He's ready to move forward if we're not."

Rep. Joseph Crowley (N.Y.), vice chairman of the Democratic Caucus, echoed that message, saying Obama is "not just beating the drum," for immigration reform, "he's actually the drum major."

"There are limitations as to what he can do with executive order," Crowley said Wednesday, "but he did say that if Congress continued to fail to act that he would take steps and measures to enact common-sense executive orders to move this country forward."

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who heads the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said there are "plenty" of executive steps Obama could take if Congress fails to pass a reform package. "The huge one," Grijalva said, is "the waiving of deportation" in order to keep families together.

"Four million of the undocumented [immigrants] are people who overstayed their visas to stay with family," he said Friday. "So that would be, I think, an area in which … there's a great deal of executive authority that he could deal with."

While working through Congress is the preferable method for Democrats and Obama, these lawmakers are probably correct. Although it wasn’t an executive order, we already saw Obama act unilaterally last year when he dramatically changed immigration policy by halting the deportation of younger illegal immigrants. But if the president waves deportation as Grijalva suggests, he would be opening the floodgates for an even bigger illegal immigration problem down the road. 1986, anyone? Yes, key figures from both sides of the political aisle are working on immigration reform but amnesty shouldn’t be part of Congress or the president’s plan.

In the meantime, however, let’s not forget that illegal immigration is still a crime.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: aliens; barackobama; democrats; executiveorder; immigrationreform

1 posted on 02/16/2013 5:25:40 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

May the Pharaoh and his synchofants race into the Red Sea. We know how that ended don’t we.


2 posted on 02/16/2013 5:39:42 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Kaslin

I suppose a reply might be that Congress does not need democrats to impeach the bastard........


3 posted on 02/16/2013 5:39:42 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Kaslin

I thought I read that an executive order could be overturned by subsequent administrations.

If true, this could cause future chaos.


4 posted on 02/16/2013 5:40:16 PM PST by berdie
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To: Kaslin

Apparently Obama doesn’t need congress for anything.


5 posted on 02/16/2013 5:40:16 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: SandRat

This country is over people.


6 posted on 02/16/2013 5:41:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kaslin

7 posted on 02/16/2013 5:48:27 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: Kaslin; All
As mentioned in related threads, the Supreme Court clarified in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer that executive orders do not have the force of law unless they have the legislative support of Congress.
Executive order

And since Congress is divided, if you call Democrats versus RINOs divided, Obama can make paper airplanes out of many of his executive orders.

But more importantly, Thomas Jefferson had noted, in terms of the 10th Amedment nonetheless, that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to regulate immigration.

"4. _Resolved_, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people (emphasis added)," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the -- day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson, Draft of the Kentucky Resolutions - October 1798.

So not only does Obama not have strong support from Congress to make valid, immigration-related executive orders, but Congress doesn't have the constitutional authority to make immigration-related legislation in the first place, immigration a 10A-protected state power issue.

8 posted on 02/16/2013 6:06:00 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Kaslin

The Arrogant B__tards!

Recent Weekly Standard Cover says it all:

We don’t need no stinkin Congress!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/—DjCgFsVLVg/UQq2lKOdb_I/AAAAAAAAE3I/bfg52Si2fj8/s640/nostinkin_cover.jpeg


9 posted on 02/16/2013 6:10:52 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Kaslin

What these Democrat lawmakers are saying is thet we have no need for them. Obama makes the laws.

If he is right why do we need them. Lets just do away with Congress and make Obama King.

That appears to be what the Democrats want.


10 posted on 02/16/2013 6:12:24 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

The biggest culprits in all of this are not in the administration. The administration is full of ideological idiots with huge egos and an agenda. That is clear. The biggest culprits are the American people who voted for them - the coalition of the uninformed, the envious, those who think it’s justified to live off the efforts of others, and those who way overestimate their own intellect. There’s much, much more to say, but that’s the essence of it.


11 posted on 02/16/2013 6:13:49 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Kaslin

It’s a commie dictator thing. He doe need no steekin’ Congress.


12 posted on 02/16/2013 6:18:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Excellent post.


13 posted on 02/16/2013 6:30:24 PM PST by berdie
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To: Amendment10

What you wrote may indeed be true, but any consequences for disregarding the Constitution are decades in the past.


14 posted on 02/16/2013 6:49:06 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Amendment10

I should have added the rule of law as well. Contracts mean absolutely nothing under the rule of law, they only mean something under the hand of both arbitrary and selective enforcement of law.

Bill Whittle said it very eloquently in his VSOTU Address.


15 posted on 02/16/2013 6:51:35 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

I agree.

The radicals in charge are the effect.

The people who bought into it are the cause. And that is, in many ways, far more alarming.

One can withstand an election cycle. but when it is clear the water of the electorate has been fouled, where can one go to get clean water, and how long is that going to take?

What we see is the result of liberalism beginning almost exactly 100 years ago last month with the inauguration of Woodrow Wilson. The steady drip-drip-drip of liberal claptrap finally broke through the skull of the American people.

How do we undo that?


16 posted on 02/16/2013 6:58:13 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Kaslin

They wouldn’t be saying that if he were a Repub......


17 posted on 02/16/2013 7:32:43 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: rlmorel

“How do we undo that?”

It will undo itself, when the inevitable decline in quality of life that always accompanies socialism / communism occurs. The problem is that this is a long process, and many people will be hurt before reality sinks in. Is there another way? I hope so. Depending on the day, I sometimes believe there is, and sometimes not.


18 posted on 02/16/2013 8:55:52 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Well, that is what I figure, though I wish I felt it would happen some other way.


19 posted on 02/16/2013 9:06:57 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Kaslin

Remember, it would have never gotten to this point but for the Republican establishment - Bush, Rove, McCain, Graham, the Wall Street Journal, the Chamber of Commerce, etc. - starting the amnesty kick in 2006, rather than enforcing the more than adequate laws on the books.


20 posted on 02/16/2013 9:41:01 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Kaslin
I predicted this last June....

If Obama was re-elected, Amnesty would be absolutely certain.

The magic words are “Executive Order” and “Deferred Enforcement.”

Obama is currently doing it in small pieces.

The DREAM Act will legalize at least 1 million.

Family Unification will legalize at least 1 million more.

Essentially, all the federal immigration laws remain the same, but they will not be enforced for a set period of time until certain issues can be legislated or clarified by the courts.

That's how the DREAM Act works - two years of no enforcement for illegals brought here as children, but not now older than 30.

And there's more.....

All the DREAM Act “kids” are immediately eligible for Social Security numbers and “Green Cards.”

A “Green Card” essentially confers all legal rights to the recipient except the right to vote.

Jobs, welfare, passport, almost everything comes with a Green Card.

Once they have Green Cards, there is ZERO possibility that any legislation will EVER be passed that would take their Green Cards away and deport them back to their home country.

If Obama can't get Amnesty by legislation, he will decree it by Executive Order!

Next stop after Green Cards?

Citizenship!

By the way, 80% of new citizens vote for the Democrat Party.

In terms of political power, Conservatives are toast, probably in 2014, certainly in 2016.

21 posted on 02/16/2013 10:56:55 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Amendment10
10,

Obama has ALREADY signed two Executive Orders on illegal immigrants, and Congress has not whispered ONE word of challenge.

The DREAM Act - already in force, at least 1 million eligible.

The Family Reunification Order - begins in March (as I recall), at least 1 million more eligible.

The illegals who “qualify” will receive Green Cards.

I say “qualify” because everyone knows that more than 99% will be waved through without ANY verification.

22 posted on 02/16/2013 11:09:01 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: rlmorel
Re: “100 years of Liberalism”

I disagree.

I think modern Liberalism began with Teddy Roosevelt in 1901.

Teddy, in my opinion, was the first center-left Republican president.

23 posted on 02/16/2013 11:24:40 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: oldbill

bill,

You left one important name out of your Amnesty Hall of Shame....

Ronald Reagan.

In 1986 Reagan gave Amnesty to almost 3 million illegal immigrants, most of them Hispanic.

How did Hispanics respond politically?

The same way Hispanics always respond to the GOP.

72% of them voted AGAINST George H.W. Bush in 1988!


24 posted on 02/16/2013 11:33:07 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Well...yes. Sigh. That is true. See, even in spite of myself, I always fail to include him. I always admired him before I understood what he was.

It is a personal failing on my part to have not included him.


25 posted on 02/17/2013 5:46:09 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Kaslin

“Obama doesn’t need Congress for immigration reform.”

Niether did Mr. Stalin, Mr. Lenin, Pol Pot, and that
blast from the past, Mr. Hitler.

They did whatever the he&& they wanted.

IMHO


26 posted on 02/17/2013 9:02:05 AM PST by ripley
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

“...and those who way overesttimate their own intellect.”

Ever notice that Progressives become brilliant,
really-really smart, intellectual geniuses when they become Progressives and Christians become the morons of the world?

Just saying.

IMHO


27 posted on 02/17/2013 9:05:43 AM PST by ripley
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To: zeestephen

But Reagan did admit he made a mistake in the ‘86 amnesty deal, because he was led to believe that the number to be amnestied was 800,000. It turned out to be over 3 million.

But he was working in a world of unknowns and best guesses. The current crop of Republican morons now has 27 years of experience on the damage that amnesty can do, but they just go ahead and do it.

One can understand democrats - it means power in perpetuity.

It is the stupidity and greed of the Republicans that shakes one’s head. Amnesty is suicide. If it goes through, there will be no Republican party in a generation or less. There will be a democrat party, and there will be a Partidad de la Raza, once the hispanic vote reaches the magic 51% and they realize they no longer need the democrats. That would be a final irony, but I won’t be around to face it.


28 posted on 02/17/2013 1:43:03 PM PST by oldbill
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