No need for concern.
The guns and ammunition are only a stop gap measure until Obama and Big Sis
can get their robotic killer drones flying over every square inch of America.
Posted on 02/17/2013 8:37:50 AM PST by taildragger
On Friday’s night broadcast of his radio show, Mark Levin speculated that the federal government is stockpiling ammunition to ensure the rule of law in the event of a total societal and economic collapse.
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“I’m going to tell you what I think is going on,” Levin said. “I don’t think insurrection. Law enforcement and national security agencies — they play out multiple scenarios. They simulate multiple scenarios. I’ll tell you what I think they’re simulating: the collapse of our financial system, the collapse of our society and the potential for widespread violence, looting, killing in the streets, because that’s what happens when an economy collapses.”
“I’m not talking about a recession,” Levin continued. “I’m talking about a collapse when people are desperate, when they can’t food and clothing, when they have no way of going from place to place, when they can’t protective themselves. There aren’t enough police officers on the face of the Earth to adequately handle a situation like that.”
The conservative talker and author of “Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America” based his hypothesis on his time in the Reagan Justice Department.
“And having been close enough to law enforcement — not in law enforcement, but close enough to it in my days in the Justice Department — I expect that they’re running through these scenarios just in case. … I know why the government is arming up. It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection. It’s because our society is unraveling.”
Levin argued that the federal government sees what is playing out in Europe and is preparing for that sort of scenario.
“You see what’s going on in Greece, in Spain and Portugal and other parts of the world? That’s what they fear, and yet, they’ve caused it.”
except it wouldn’t be the rule of law but the rule of communists.
Americans Won’t Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
A Commentary by J. D. Longstreet
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Ordinarily, I’d agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut , there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.
To those on the political and those pushing gun control — in the childish naivete — You need to understand two things: One — Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That’s one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs — please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!
For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I’d go so far as to say some are even leaning forward, eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.
Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to pry the weapons from their cold dead hands. Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin — and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.
Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.
I just don’t think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion — PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.
Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world — combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran , France , and Germany combined! SOURCE:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1889966/pg1 Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
And don’t think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. ‘Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces.’ SOURCE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as ‘scary looking’ weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. The Justice Department’s interviews also showed so-called ‘assault weapons ‘are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban… .’
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
Consider this: ‘Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.’
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns — well within an arm’s length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed either with an edged weapon or a firearm.
Let’s be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.
I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.
A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.
As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.
Molṑn lab ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.
I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
So what does molon labe mean? Well, it is an invitation — and a challenge — all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: Come and take em.
This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but — intend to win decisively.
J. D. Longstreet
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Molṑn lab ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae. From the original Greek molon labe means: Come and take em. Mike Larsen
I guess it depends on whose law and what laws, but that could be why.
Isn't it a sorry state of affairs that other possibilities are likely.
No doubt, especially considering they are taking active steps to achieve that very collapse.
OK but Mark what is the solution?
We keep sending US jobs to China.
That is the problem. We are exporting our own jobs. Stop it. Stop sending US jobs overseas.
Bring back US jobs now. Stop exporting our own jobs.
Wake up. We cannot have both jobs, and send jobs elsewhere. We have been exporting US jobs for two decades, and falling ever into worse financial shape.
Bring US jobs back. Now.
Yes the Clintonian word parsing, has come to bite us big time, Bill Bennett was right, the Democratic Party sold their soul on that one.....
It can only be one of two things or both:
1. Preparing to use force on Americans.
2. Anti 2nd Amendment White House intentionally drying up ammunition supplies.
How can we force companies to bring jobs back here?
I bet several hundred million are being sold privately by most of the people getting ahold of this ammunition, selling it back to the public.
Or arranging for a lot to be conveniently misplaced.
taxes
We threw out “Rule of Law” decades ago. Our universities teach the law students Austinian cr*p, which would have been arbitrary law and unconstitutional but since that Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. we have any absurd thing become “law”.
John Marshall would have stated stuff like “homosexual” marriage is Null and Void because it is not “Right Reason according to Nature”-—the fundamental constitutionality principle of “making” Just Laws.
We should get back to Constitutional laws—Rational Law. It is like Cicero stated-—once “Rule of Law” becomes rule of man (just arbitrary laws which give breaks and power to a few) then we will go into chaos.
Irrational “thinking” of the Postmodernists/Marxists/Progressives/Atheists where they think they can “remold” the human being into something “perfect” are dehumanizing and makes slaves of all of us. Their laws are arbitrary and unconstitutional.
We need to adjust taxation to equalize the field.
I did not want to become an advocate for increased taxation or any other plan, but we are running out of time so I’ll go ahead and take that position. I am willing to look at any plan however, with the important priviso we must start looking at plans to bring back American manufacturing big, and quickly.
Currently we are hollowing our manufacturing base in America more every single day. Constantly. We are sending ever more manufacturing to China.
At first it was just another option, but it has become an unhealthy obsession. We have sold off ever more production and we seem to have no limit to what we will sell off.
Already now China is the world’s largest exporter. Has now been so for a couple years.
We must stop this. Seriously it must stop, or we are going to simply vanish.
I believe we have overdone the system to the extreme.
We need to enact taxation on imports. Or some other plan. To encourage American businesses to do things here. And we need to do this right now.
We are currently heading for disaster, the way we are doing things.
No way around it. We must change.
Soon
Taxes on who/what? Register the company in another country, then what?
How about refusing them military protection overseas? How about refusing to do anything about a nation that socializes their assets? These creeps have taken the technologies developed by taxpayers upon whom they depend and given the fruits to the citizens of foreign nations. Why should the taxpayer protect them in return?
Will it be an outside exogenous event(s) that create a 2008-ish tipping point via the markets that effect banking, i.e. do we see runs on them and or is their also an exogenous energy related even i.e. Israel spanks Iran....
On the Economic, could this be it...
Bookmarked.
How much military protection do they have in China or Mexico?
Sounds like you are saying “they didn’t build that”.
let the games begin,
On the flipside... I wonder how that compares to the amount of ammo in civilian hands?
I’ve seen in the news about how many rounds are used when law enforcement or other government officials shoot. The LAPD just shot a vehicle almost 50 times and slightly injured one of the two people in the vehicle. Many of us are hunters that were raised to drop game in one shot from a distance. A lot of us also served our country. There are a lot of skilled people that would be non-compliant when the government tries to control the people by force. This is exactly why the second amendment exists.
“How can we force companies to bring jobs back here?”
We can’t. But we could start by repealing the 16th Amendment and replace it with a flat or `Fair’ tax. This would be a good place to start. But that is going to prove to be near impossible. Too much POWER at stake.
As for China, it's called "the American Navy," and it ain't cheap.
As for Mexico, there is none, but the lack of border inspections, particularly for pests in food and landscape products, functions as a subsidy, and it is substantial.
No need for concern.
The guns and ammunition are only a stop gap measure until Obama and Big Sis
can get their robotic killer drones flying over every square inch of America.
Flat would work. An NRST would be the biggest boon to organized crime in history, resulting in an IRS so intrusive it would blow your mind.
There is no way for the government to ‘bring jobs back’. This would require passing a law that forbade any company operating in the USA from conducting business in China. If this occurred, these businessmen would simply shut down their American operations and go all in on China. What would we do then? Ban all travel to China? Ban all banks from transferring any capital to China?
The reason jobs are going to China, is because their labor force is better than ours. What they lack in product production quality, they make up for in sheer size and willingness to work for nothing. Put yourself in the shoes of a business owner. Would you rather work in China, where your profits will be larger, or in the US, where they will be smaller, and you’ll also be demonized as an evil capitalist? It’s bizarre that we attack private industry more than the communist government in Beijing, but that’s the reality.
Now, if you want business to stay here, and not ship jobs overseas, you have to look at it as a cost-benefit analysis. The object of the game is to make the pros of keeping business here greater than the cons. Right now, we’re way off balance. How do we get back to being an industrial and commercial center? Well, the first thing we need to do is start defending private industry. The anti-corporate rhetoric spewed by Zero and his ilk has to be challenged and loudly so. Make the US a welcoming environment where entrepreneurs feel they are encouraged to pursue new innovation and technology. The second is get rid of all the red tape, bureaucracy, and restrictions put down by organizations like the EPA. These groups chase away industry with their regulation. I like Mark Levin’s example of the raisin committee. Why the hell is there a committee for raisins?
We need to lower our corporate tax rate. There is no reason that we should have these extortionately high taxes on businesses. Obamacare is something else that has to go.
Do these things, and business will come back to this country. People want to work in America, but we have to create the conditions of the past. Conditions that were friendly to entrepreneurs. If we can do this, then we will provide a more attractive proposition than China’s pauper-wage legions can.
Ever heard of a tariff?
Then you'd have to force those on unemployment, food stamps and welfare to get off the dole and start working.
Aye, ya been readin' my post laddy from the last couple of years with da pictures of da Soprano's :-)...
EXACTLY.
Exactly. That is the point. We can do that, if we bring back American jobs.
Precisely yes. The problem is we cannot do that until we stop sending American jobs away. People need to live. We either let them work, or our government supports them.
Exactly.
The last election this process tilted the election. We are on the losing end currently, because we have advocated sending American jobs abroad.
While it is understandable absent other considerations, it a fatal flaw when faced with an opponent like China.
China is a huge threat. They are hard-working and dedicated, and their entire system is biased.
We fact a new world now. We are no longer the world’s biggest exporter. China is.
China is also growing. So China is the world’s largest exporter, and is GROWING.
We are now the world’s second largest exporter, are running trillions of dollars in debt, and are shrinking every day.
Wake up people. This is series.
We must bring back US jobs. Big time.
Forget everything we’ve been doing for the last 20 years. It made sense, but now we’ve created a new reality.
There is a new superpower in the world. And we are selling our future to them.
Period.
We need a new plan.
Indeed.
If there is TOTAL societal and economic collapse there will be no way for the government to control the populace whether they have 1.6 billion bullets or 1.6 trillion.
At the point of collapse the monetary income to the government would effective drop to zero dollars as no one will be paying taxes. How long do they think they can retain command/control of an army when they are no longer paying them or are able to supply them with basic needs?
As they attempt to transfer ammo (or food or whatever) their supply lines will be decimated as the only law of the land will be survival.
If they are buying ammo to try to manage a total societal break down, they are playing a fools game.
Force no, set up a tax and regulatory enviroment that makes them want to come back.
You have a homework assignment, Google the Czech Republic's tax code, and compare, and post your results here.
You will be shocked as to how their code will kick out sorry butts....
He just sprinkles that nostrum around randomly. I’m not sure he even reads the thread.
“Bring back U.S. jobs now!”
Yeah. One does that by raising taxes on those evil rich people who own the companies that create jobs.
/S/
IMHO
How many years have we been saying we need to overhaul our tax code? Has it happened yet? Will it ever happen? Not in my lifetime. Pipe dream.
Naw, I was jawin with (IIRC) CHIEFnegotiator (now deceased) for bloody ever about this almost a decade ago on FR. It got tiring.
An NRST is a wonderful theory, but the size of the markup to support current levels of Federal spending would make it so attractive to avoid paying the tax that the level of intelligence the IRS would need over every human transaction to enforce its collection would be an outrage. A few pennies on the dollar works, but once over 10-15% and substantial numbers of people will cheat. State sales taxes are already almost there, at least in California. Bootleg liquor and cigarettes are already common. About the only commodity one could tax that way and collect it reliably would be energy.
Yet right here on FR the majority of freepers think it's good that the police in California act as judge, jury and executioner and ignore our rule of law and rights our forefathers fought for.
“It can only be one of two things or both:
1. Preparing to use force on Americans.
2. Anti 2nd Amendment White House intentionally drying up ammunition supplies.”
I’ll take #1 for $500 Alex.
This is BS....Freepers right here told everyone the government needed billions of rounds and it was simply for target practice. Each LEO needs at least 5,000 or 10,000 rounds of ammo for target practice every couple years..
This is all about nothing...Now get back to work and pay those taxes you stinking idiots.
Our government, and the numerous "save the ????? Group" are driving business overseas.
Likewise, the large number who live off the government teat want everything as cheap as possible. I'm wondering when the Balkanization of America is going to occur, and how bloody the conversion will be...
Bull shit...Big difference between government turning into a controlling dictatorship, buying billions of rounds to be used against the innocent law abiding, and some raving lunatic murderer who broadcasted he wanted to kill as many innocent people as possible and would not be taken alive. Based on his own statements, ya think this was going to end differently?
You're confused.
All I can say is that one whack job cop kept all of the pacific southwest at bay for a week think of 100 million of us they don’t have a chance
I heard that segment, and a caller asked Levin if he thought it was possible that Obama was preparing to become dictator and would refuse to step down from power voluntarily.
Levin pretty much dismissed that idea, but frankly I’m not quite sure why.
Oh stop it Cringing. Anyone who's read your posts going far enough back knows you want like 100% tariffs on imports. You don't like or want competition. Period.
We need to enact taxation on imports. Or some other plan. To encourage American businesses to do things here. And we need to do this right now.
Why do more and more manufacturing job move into right-to-work states? Your dire scenario of a loss of nearly all manufacturing jobs in the US is not an accurate picture of what is going on. How about instead of more taxation, we lower the cost of doing business? We cut taxes and reduce regulation for starters? How about we work to roll back the power and influence of labor unions that, at this point, do nothing more than add a layer of bureaucracy and hand over money to leftist politicians?
Why do you hate competition so much? It almost seems like, in your heart, you don't believe America can compete. So instead of doing the things we can do as nation to become as business friendly as possible, you want to shut the doors and prevent consumers from making their own choices.
Cringing you post this same argument over and over and over, and it's like you're not reading any of the replies. Did you read Viennacon posted to you? Do you read all the other comments people make to your endlessly repeated posts to "bring back American jobs"? Do you not realize that your arguments are really no different than far leftists like Bernie Sanders and Ed Schultz? Maybe instead of posting the same thing over and over and over again like some kind of pro-union marketing outfit, stop and think about some of the responses you are getting? I know your heart is in the right place and that you really believe the things you say, but maybe stop and listen to what other folks are telling you.
The solution is to rein in the political class and fix our electoral system. It is arrogant to say but 536 people determine the destiny of the world. And to break it down further, the fate of the world is determined by 5 cities which total 132 electoral votes.
And those cites all vote Democrat. Want to know why the world is falling apart? Think of Cleveland, Chicago, NYC, LA and Philly. Fix voter fraud and you fix the world.
It is that simple.
“Bring US jobs back. Now.”
The first jobs to be returned should be those “tech support” jobs that force you to speak with “Bill” or “Sally” in India.
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