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Rand Paul: Voters Ready for libertarian Republican
POLITICO ^ | MANU RAJU

Posted on 02/17/2013 11:35:25 AM PST by JohnPDuncan

Sen. Rand Paul says he'll wait until 2014 to decide whether to run for president, but he believes voters are ready for a Libertarian-minded Republican candidate.

"I would absolutely not run unless it were to win," the Kentucky Republican said on "Fox News Sunday." "Points have been made, and we we will continue to make points. But I think the country is really ready for the narrative coming — the Libertarian Republican narrative."

Voters want a "different face," he said.

In order to expand the party's reach, Paul believes the GOP should embrace candidates who are willing to push a less aggressive foreign policy, comprehensive immigration reform and less punitive measures on first offenders of nonviolent drug possession.

"We're doing fine in congressional seats, but we're becoming less and less of a national party," Paul said.

Paul has been making it clear for months that he's leaning toward a presidential run, but he added he won't make a final decision before next year.

In the interim, he said, he'll continue to make his points in the Senate, including over immigration. On the same program, Paul said he'll offer an amendment to the forthcoming bipartisan immigration bill that would require the Government Accountability Office to report annually whether the border is secure and force Congress to vote on those reports. That would occur before the 11 million illegal immigrants can achieve permanent residency, under Paul's plan.

"I do support the concept of telling the 11 million people here that if you want to work and you don't want to be on welfare, we're wiling to find a place for you in America," he said.

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To: ConservativeMan55

Rand Paul is the only person I have any motivation to vote for in 2016.


51 posted on 02/17/2013 12:55:46 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

He’ll have my vote.

Gov Walker / Allen West,

Rand Paul / Allen West

Allen West / Rand Paul

Allen West / Gov Walker

Any combination thereof is fine with me.


52 posted on 02/17/2013 12:57:11 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Longbow1969

yes the libertarian wing wants to cut spending (foreign aid to all countries not just israel) because we have a 1 trillion deficit and a 16 trillion national debt, then you have big spending conservatives like Bush who ballooned the budget and spent money like a drunken sailor. I think America wants spending cut and the economy growing again


53 posted on 02/17/2013 12:59:55 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

He may be correct but I dont trust any Paul or his robots followers.....


54 posted on 02/17/2013 1:01:36 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: rrrod

But you can trust Bush when he runs as a conservative but doubles the size of the government?


55 posted on 02/17/2013 1:02:57 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

libertarian utopians are just as wrong as leftists


56 posted on 02/17/2013 1:04:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Longbow1969
I don't think a lot of people understand that Rand may be very conservative on the fiscal issues, but he is not with traditional conservatives on the social issues. This may be the direction the party is going, but social conservatives aren't going to throw in the towel so easily - and anyone running on the right needs the socon vote in order to win state and national elections.

I think that pretty much nails it. I was living in kalifornia when Arnie RINO became governor. He described himself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. That combination proved to make him more of a demonrat than anybody imagined.

Libertarian, huh? Vending machine narcotics. Open borders. No thanks. If he's the best the RNC can do I'll stay home.

57 posted on 02/17/2013 1:08:41 PM PST by LouAvul
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58 posted on 02/17/2013 1:08:51 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: NFHale

I would never vote for Rand Paul


59 posted on 02/17/2013 1:12:50 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JohnPDuncan
yes the libertarian wing wants to cut spending (foreign aid to all countries not just israel) because we have a 1 trillion deficit and a 16 trillion national debt

Three things wrong with that argument:

1. Foreign aid is an obscenity, but even completely cutting it to zero will have almost no effect on our debt and deficit. Our debt and deficit is largely driven by entitlements, but even Rand Paul calls for "keeping those promises" rather than real reforms and reductions in Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicare. Even if we zeroed out Defense spending completely, entitlements will bury us. If you listened to Paul this morning, he saved his sharpest knives for going after the defense budget.

2. Foreign aid is packaged in Congress into one...big...bill. To every country we give aid to. That happens each year, and every year. I don't agree with it, but that's they way they do it to ensure the Liberals have the Muslim wack jobs funded and the Conservative get Israel funded. If Paul wants to change that, let him go ahead and start that process. I would love to see it.

3. Aid to Israel is a very special thing for this nation that transcends politics. It is an issue with the Almighty. God will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse her. While I have seen Paul visit Israel and make some pro-Israel comments, he has also been just as nonsupport in his actions and comments alike.

#3 above, plus his failure to defend the military from the current fiscal attack it is suffering under (to the contrary, he is one of head cheerleaders) strike him from and list of leaders I would hope to see emerge.

60 posted on 02/17/2013 1:15:15 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Beagle8U
What they are ready for is a conservative that supports everything in the Republican platform

You mean bigger government, abortion, gays, illegal alien amnesty PLUS welfare for them, islam taught in school, gun grabs, drones over U.S.? Because that IS the republican platform.

61 posted on 02/17/2013 1:19:24 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: svcw
i don’t think Rand Paul is anti-military, he is anti national defense.

Well that's comforting.

62 posted on 02/17/2013 1:21:04 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: NFHale
Gov Walker / Allen West,

Rand Paul / Allen West

Allen West / Rand Paul

Allen West / Gov Walker

Any combination thereof is fine with me.

I like that list. I'd also vote for a Walker/Rand or Rand/Walker ticket.

63 posted on 02/17/2013 1:22:44 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: SkyPilot

I’d favor cutting the budget by 0% but I would never ever vote for a liberdopian

The GOP can win without conservatives if they want to, I won’t mind


64 posted on 02/17/2013 1:23:04 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Damn straight! I live in WA and while this will likely make me unpopular with many here, I voted for both of those issues in this state. Rearranging the deck chairs, no matter how righteously a party does it, on this Titanic of an economy is a sure loser.

You want to reduce abortion? Try economic freedom. You want to re-make America back into a good and just society? Economic freedom gives us the choice, the incentive, AND the ability to do so. Losing elections by being on the wrong side of domestic issues of liberty are killing the right side of politics.


65 posted on 02/17/2013 1:25:07 PM PST by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Damn straight! I live in WA and while this will likely make me unpopular with many here, I voted for both of those issues in this state. Rearranging the deck chairs, no matter how righteously a party does it, on this Titanic of an economy is a sure loser.

You want to reduce abortion? Try economic freedom. You want to re-make America back into a good and just society? Economic freedom gives us the choice, the incentive, AND the ability to do so. Losing elections by being on the wrong side of domestic issues of liberty are killing the right side of politics.


66 posted on 02/17/2013 1:25:18 PM PST by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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To: GeronL

90%


67 posted on 02/17/2013 1:30:16 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

If the GOP decides to embrace degeneracy and ‘remake’ itself to include fag marriage, dope peddling, and open-borders... well, they can (and will) do without me ever voting for the their ticket again.


68 posted on 02/17/2013 1:38:12 PM PST by greene66
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To: SkyPilot; little jeremiah

Aside from the ‘promises made’ (they were not for gov’t to make to begin with....how be jives that w/ the Constitution, I’d love to hear) he’s got my vote so far.

He, like his dad, would actually DO the things he’s espousing. Sounds, though, like you’d like, yet another, GOPe foisted candidate to piss on your leg and tell you it’s raining? As long as they have the GOPe label (R) by their name?? Whom in the field would be better? Rubio? Cruz?

Get the gov’t back to its Constitutional roots, kill all laws/programs/regs that dont’ conform to the same THEN battle out the smaller mish-mash (aside from abortion, adoption, and a few others, which, IMHO, they are 180 off). They DO espouse controlling the border, especially when taking away the carrot (benefits) would negate the need (again, IMHO) for ‘comprehensive’ immigration/amnesty.


69 posted on 02/17/2013 1:38:33 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: JohnPDuncan
In order to expand the party's reach, Paul believes the GOP should embrace candidates who are willing to push a less aggressive foreign policy, comprehensive immigration reform and less punitive measures on first offenders of nonviolent drug possession.

Well, so much for Rand Paul.

70 posted on 02/17/2013 1:40:55 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: JohnPDuncan
"I do support the concept of telling the 11 million people here that if you want to work and you don't want to be on welfare, we're wiling to find a place for you in America," he said.

This is one of the reasons I loathe libertarianism, large L or small.

71 posted on 02/17/2013 1:42:34 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: i_robot73

If you think abortion is a trivial/small issue, then is there really anything to talk about?


72 posted on 02/17/2013 1:43:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: greene66

I agree, I’m about done with the GOPe as it is. This would be the death knell.

The GOPe wants to become the Libertarian Party? lol


73 posted on 02/17/2013 1:46:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Not even close! Scratch him off my list of conservatives. *sigh*


74 posted on 02/17/2013 1:47:00 PM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: i_robot73

How about this. A candidate with good character and a working moral compass, who understands the intent of the Constitution and thinks - and is determined - that gov. should abide by its tenets. Someone with determination, fighting spirit, of high personal morals, and isn’t afraid of anyone.

Catering to illegals is a huge ho no.

Ron Paul is vile, despicable and a barking mad duplicitous idiot. So your praise of him shows me what you’re made of.

I loathe the insider/elitist/corrup/coporate GOP as much as if not more than anyone on FR or in the whole world, actually. Loathing the insane anarchist kook LP doesn’t make one a GOP follower.


75 posted on 02/17/2013 1:47:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SkyPilot

You seem to be confusing Rand Paul with his father. He’s not a neoconservative, which is a good thing, but he’s a far cry from his pacifist father on foreign policy.


76 posted on 02/17/2013 1:49:35 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: little jeremiah

Really? And exactly how are the GOP(e) handling the issue? Oh, shit, they want to give ‘em welfare and voting rights too?! Damn, those (L) sure are the worst.

Tell me, what’s the GOP(e), who actually are the majority in the House, done to roll back the Liberal tide? Any ‘ace in the hole’ they’ve used to further the ideals? How about the last time the Constitution was brought up in a debate (aside from using it to argue against holding their own paychecks)? Anything??

Think everyone here bashing the (L), or even (l) leaning, should figure just where the problem lies, ‘cuz it isn’t the (L/l) that have been back-stabbing and selling you out.


77 posted on 02/17/2013 1:52:32 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: GeronL

“My opponents call me libertarian but I’m pro-life” - Rand Paul, Feb 2011.


78 posted on 02/17/2013 1:55:52 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

see: thread headline


79 posted on 02/17/2013 1:58:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: i_robot73

Like his dad?
His dad accomplished nothing during his time in the house.


80 posted on 02/17/2013 1:59:14 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: GeronL

The headline was written by a journalist. I posted a direct quote. You and many others here have been misinformed about Rand Paul.


81 posted on 02/17/2013 2:00:52 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

So, let me ask you how a person can claim to be pro-life when they vote in favor of transporting minors across state lines for abortion, without parental notification.
Or vote in favor of morning after pills.
Just how does that work?


82 posted on 02/17/2013 2:01:36 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: JohnPDuncan
Rand Paul: Voters Ready for libertarian Republican

NOT!!!

83 posted on 02/17/2013 2:03:40 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: i_robot73

Your silly arguments are just silly.

As though the solution lay either in the “as it is” R party or anything to do with the Libertarian party.

They both suck big time.

What is needed is people in Congress, the Senate, and the Executive branch with the principles and character I described above.

Libertarianism is nuts, the plarty platform is downright eivl. The standard as it’s been GOP stinks and is utterly complicit in the destruction of our country especially because of cupidity and cowardice, although there are a handful of good one like Bachmann and a few others. BUt they alone can’t stem the tide.

So what is needed is PEOPLE with wisdom, moral principles, courage and with a deep understanding of the Constitution. And who cannot be bought.

It’s really simple.


84 posted on 02/17/2013 2:03:40 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Sirius Lee

Have you actually ever seen the Republican platform?
Nothing of what you said is in it.


85 posted on 02/17/2013 2:05:46 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

I’m not familiar with those votes. Here are the facts:

Rating Group: National Right to Life Committee:
Rand Paul - 100%

http://votesmart.org/interest-group/252/rating/5939

Rating Group: NARAL Pro-Choice America:
Rand Paul - 0%

http://votesmart.org/interest-group/1016/rating/5938

Enough said.


86 posted on 02/17/2013 2:16:44 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: JohnPDuncan

No chance in hell.


87 posted on 02/17/2013 2:22:14 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: JohnPDuncan
I for one am not ready to throw away my principles and vote for a Libertarian for any office much less the WH. Rand Paul occasionally says things that sound good but that reminds me of others who can make nice speeches and say nice sounding things but end up making voters regret they were so easily taken in by a smooth talker. Does Obama ring any bells?!

Before I could even consider Paul for anything I would have to know a lot more about him to say the least. His daddy is enough to give Rand a lot of negative baggage right out of the gate. Rarely doe the acorn not fall too far from the tree. And besides it is way too early to start saying who we should or should not back. Need to see who all is getting in.

88 posted on 02/17/2013 2:29:04 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: JohnPDuncan

Holding out judgement on Rand Paul. The fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree.


89 posted on 02/17/2013 2:32:43 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Ron H.

Ron, do you regret voting for Bush considering he gave us No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, lied about Iraqi WMD, Wall Street Bailouts etc etc ?

Rand would not do any of that. In fact, he would reverse it all. So get ready to support him come 2016


90 posted on 02/17/2013 2:33:18 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: svcw

His dad did one thing his entire tenure...we was a constant thorn in the side of big-gov’t. He was about the ONLY one to bring up the issue with the Fed and all matters Constitutional.

His paradigm ways of talking got people talking. You could just see the GOP/DEM party set their teeth every time.


91 posted on 02/17/2013 2:41:05 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: i_robot73

And he opposed everything during the Bush years/, often as a lone voice. The sheer madness of expanding government. He warned about the housing bubble which then popped and gave us the Great Recession and which handed Obama the presidency. He warned about Fannie and Freddie and the banks and that it would all collapse and it did.

His audit the fed bill passed the house too.

Plus he ran twice for president finishing third in Iowa and 2nd in New Hampshire and won many admirers leaving a good base for Rand to build on in the early states in his quest for the presidency.


92 posted on 02/17/2013 2:45:58 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Beagle8U

“What they are ready for is a conservative that supports everything in the Republican platform, and can articulate that in strong terms.”

Can you explain to all of the “Republican platform”? Based upon the GOP elected leadership it looks like supporting amnesty at all costs, capitulating on all fronts, bigger government, more spending, and supporting worthless liberal candidates like Romney with their money and efforts over true conservative candidates.

I think you are getting a good dose of “Republican platform” as we speak...from Boehnor, Rove, McCain, Cantor, Rubio, etc.


93 posted on 02/17/2013 2:47:17 PM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: little jeremiah

And your duplicitous lead-in is just....

Interesting that you’d think the (L), and I’ll even throw in the Constitutional (C) Party, are downright ‘evil’. Even if some of their planks are 180 to my own (L) thinking I yet to hear how their own following/interpretation of the Constitution differs from whatever party you’ve been supporting? Their platform is quite clear: A1S8, morality is not a gov’t function and all else is up to the States and/or the People. Boy, that sure is hard to grasp...

And yet, Bachmann and the ilk had a chance to stand up to/for her own principles/mortality. Instead, she voted to continue the farce you support by reaffirming Boehner. What else have your highly esteemed, principled people pushed??


94 posted on 02/17/2013 2:53:06 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: JohnPDuncan

Why would you want to act so silly now?!! Rand Paul is a through and through fiscal conservative who gives not one single darn for social conservatives or their positions or concerns. Actually I do know more than I need to know about the Paul name to suit me. Does that fit into that pipe of yours?! Ehh?! OBTW, while I did not vote for Bush he was at least interested for a time in the concerns of social conservatives, at least in his first term. I knew that in his heart that he was liberal or at least socialist leaning and his second term proved that.


95 posted on 02/17/2013 2:58:41 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: BADROTOFINGER
You want to reduce abortion? Try economic freedom.

How about just 'freedom'. If you want to be limited to economic only freedom that is your choice.

96 posted on 02/17/2013 3:01:56 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Rand Paul is the only person I have any motivation to vote for in 2016.

Me too.

97 posted on 02/17/2013 3:03:01 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: i_robot73

A1S8, morality is not a gov’t function and all else is up to the States and/or the People. Boy, that sure is hard to grasp...


The official Real LP platform says nothing about moral issues being under the purview of the states.

They are PRO abortion, PRO all no holds barred no restrictions porn, PRO legalized prostitution, PRO legalizing all drugs, PRO the entire whammy of the homonazi agenda, and PRO open borders everyone’s welcome.

Nothing I said was duplicitous. I said what I meant, and meant what I said.

I don’t support any party. I suppor the Constitution and anyone who supports it AND MEANS IT which Libertarians, or if you prefer, libertarians, do not.

Did I say Bachmann is perfect? No? I have seen very, very perfect people in my decades on earth. But she sure isn’t a corrupt beastlike whore like most of them.


98 posted on 02/17/2013 3:04:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Sorry, I was talking about Ron Paul not Rand Paul.
If Rand is pro-life, that I like.
He says many things I really like, on occasion he sounds likes his dad, and that makes me nervous.


99 posted on 02/17/2013 3:07:54 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: little jeremiah
The official Real LP platform says nothing about moral issues being under the purview of the states.

And the official Real Republican platform doesn't even mention the republic. I doubt if most of them could even give you a decent defintion of "republic" without Google.

100 posted on 02/17/2013 3:11:55 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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