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Danica Patrick wins Daytona 500 pole position
Fox Sports ^ | 2/17/13

Posted on 02/17/2013 12:43:17 PM PST by Libloather

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To: Alaska Wolf; mazda77

I won’t pretend to be a huge race fan, but living in Indianapolis, I do catch a thing or two. I also can’t spout Danica statistics, but in my perception, she gets nervous when she’s racing in a group of cars. The open-wheeled cars have much more down force; the NASCAR vehicles get a little “loose” when cars are directly behind you-which is typical of the Daytona-style races. I think she’ll get squeamish when it happens, and will drop back, or cause the first “big one” at Daytona 2013.


51 posted on 02/17/2013 1:58:55 PM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: pingman

Just as long as NASCAR doesn’t require parallel parking to win she’ll be OK.


52 posted on 02/17/2013 1:59:25 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

That’s no problem. Sprint Cup cars have power steering!


53 posted on 02/17/2013 2:02:35 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
And in some cases driven by guys who will TRY to hit you?

Danica has admitted to doing that and was not punished by NASCAR

54 posted on 02/17/2013 2:03:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: central_va

I know you were joking, but when you think about it a NASCAR race sort of does require parallel parking. And it’s a somewhat critical skill when a driver pits during a safety car period along with everyone else and his dog.


55 posted on 02/17/2013 2:04:06 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: GeronL

They added the restrictor plates since 1988 for Daytona and Talladega super speedways. During high-speed spins the cars were getting airborne and only luck kept them from punching through the fencing and going into the grandstands. The flaps that flip up when they spin were added for the same reasons. I think 204 mph was the Daytona record for qualifying before the restrictor plates were added. They sometimes get airborne in the current confguration.


56 posted on 02/17/2013 2:05:17 PM PST by MtnClimber (I did not vote for 0bama, someone else did that!)
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To: central_va

She likes to go fast, you’d probably get hurt.


57 posted on 02/17/2013 2:08:02 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Lou L

It’ll be like the guy at the front of the Boston Marathon... tripping.


58 posted on 02/17/2013 2:08:32 PM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: omega4179

“Poles are for strippers”

Sarah makes more sense than all other pols....


59 posted on 02/17/2013 2:08:38 PM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: MtnClimber

204mph sounds about right for the Daytona lap record. And Talladega was even faster; Bill Elliott pulled a 212.7mph lap in qualifying for one of the 1987 races there.

Given the extra twenty-plus years of engine and aero development on Cup cars, I wouldn’t be surprised to see one turn 220mph laps at ‘Dega with an unrestricted engine. Which is probably why it wouldn’t be a good idea; I suspect the day one of those cars clears a catch fence and lands in a grandstand will be the day motorsports dies in this country.


60 posted on 02/17/2013 2:10:00 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: sjm_888

You forgot Juan Pablo to round out the cross-cultural appeal.


61 posted on 02/17/2013 2:10:16 PM PST by pingman (Trust a lib? Surely you jest!)
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To: GeronL
Why is she still allowed in NASCAR after she admitted to hitting other cars, trying to make them crash, on purpose??

because she’s a female I bet

Seriously? I take it you never watched much NASCAR. Quite a few drivers are known for swapping paint with other drivers on purpose. Why do you think Dale Earnhardt earned the nickname “The Intimidator” – was it because he gave other drivers stern looks? And drivers such as Geoff Bodine, Cale Yarborough, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch to name just a few, all have had run ins with other drivers, sometimes retaliatory run ins, bumping and pushing other drivers off the track and causing accidents and even getting into fistfights with other drivers. There is of course a fine line between aggressive driving and dirty driving but there have been quite a few who have crossed that line from time to time, a good many end up in the winner’s circle.

62 posted on 02/17/2013 2:11:32 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: lacrew

crashing at 196 vs 206 I don’t think will make much difference.

I was just wondering because the speed she got the pole at seems to be lower than what I remember people qualifying for pole was a few years ago, up in the 204-206 range, maybe 209 range on a good day.


63 posted on 02/17/2013 2:16:13 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

She publicly admitted trying to make someone crash


64 posted on 02/17/2013 2:16:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: EEGator

You know, I think I may be erroneously crossing this with formula racing. For some reason I thought daytona was formula but someone posted about Nascar, so maybe I am thinking of formula races where I’m seeing those guys crusing around the twohundred-teens for pole.


65 posted on 02/17/2013 2:18:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

There was one open-wheel race at Daytona in 1959, shortly after the track opened, sanctioned by USAC. The speeds were high enough to be dangerous, and this race produced the track’s first fatality. It was never repeated.

Fast-forwarding a few years, and moving to a different high-banked track, anyone remember the CART race at Texas Motor Speedway in 2001?


66 posted on 02/17/2013 2:25:27 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

what does she weigh? like 100 lbs. Do the cars have to all weigh the same?


67 posted on 02/17/2013 2:28:23 PM PST by mriguy67
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Racing side-by-side at 220+ mph on any track requires extreme concentration and reflexes. Chances of being seriously injured or killed in a collision is much higher in open wheel race cars than enclosed race cars. There have been few drivers that have been successful in both venues. Montoya has had his difficulties adjusting to cup racing. Stewart has pretty much devoted his time and skills entirely to cup racing.

All drivers are going to have to adjust to the new car designs this year. I just hope there isn't major mishap that wipes out 1/3 of the field.

68 posted on 02/17/2013 2:28:46 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: mikrofon

They’re equally as fun.


69 posted on 02/17/2013 2:28:46 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Lou L
cause the first “big one” at Daytona 2013.

Stewart is much more likely to do that.

70 posted on 02/17/2013 2:36:53 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Secret Agent Man

F1 cars are a good deal faster. A lot of the F1 guys don’t like racing at the super speedways. They’re just going to fast. That’s how Dan Wheldon died at Vegas.


71 posted on 02/17/2013 2:39:00 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Alaska Wolf

I liked JPM in F1, and he recently helped Pruett and Rojas win the Rolex 24 at Daytona in a Grand Am car. He drove the wheels off it, getting some impressive avg laptimes.

I always watch the Daytona 500, but am just a casual NASCAR fan.


72 posted on 02/17/2013 2:42:09 PM PST by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: GeronL

And why do you think she keeps losing? Because the guys give her payback on the track by making her crash. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do it again at this race.


73 posted on 02/17/2013 2:46:37 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: mriguy67

If I’m not mistaken, minimum weight includes the driver. So, less driver = more ballast.


74 posted on 02/17/2013 2:48:16 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: Libloather

I know one of her PIT guys ... “she is a true competitor, one of the guys and never plays the “I’m a Girl” card”... they think she is beyond awesome.

Good enough for me

Now if we could find an Halfrican President that would follow similar rules

TT


75 posted on 02/17/2013 2:49:02 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Betis70

JPM was a badass in CART. More so than he was in F1, frankly.


76 posted on 02/17/2013 2:50:26 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: Lou L

“I’d look for her to relinquish that top position quickly, and drop back...”

You can’t expect her to be on top all the time, now can you?


77 posted on 02/17/2013 2:50:26 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Libloather

plus she is a low informational voter!


78 posted on 02/17/2013 2:52:14 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: EEGator

It wasn’t the speed; it was the sudden stop. And probably a greater contributing factor was the fact that IndyCar decided to start more cars (34) on a 1.5-mile high-banked oval than they do at Indianapolis (33, and Indy is 2.5mi, btw). Considering that incident involved 15 cars, it’s a wonder that Wheldon was the only one who was killed.


79 posted on 02/17/2013 2:55:37 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I think the fix is in. If she doesn’t crash, she wins.


80 posted on 02/17/2013 3:02:14 PM PST by stiguy
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I think the fix is in. If she doesn’t crash, she wins.


81 posted on 02/17/2013 3:02:14 PM PST by stiguy
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To: pingman

Don’t forget A J Foyt either. He won Daytona in 72 and won Indy four times.also won 24 hours of Daytona and the 24 hours of Lemans.


82 posted on 02/17/2013 3:07:17 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Betis70

I’ve never attended a NASCAR race, but I’ve attended a few Indy 500s. I used to be a fan, but there are so many foreign drivers that I don’t follow too closely anymore.

I follow NASCAR though I’m not a fanatic.


83 posted on 02/17/2013 3:18:31 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Mmogamer

You fools should be ashamed of yourself. Get your mind out of the gutter. You obviously don’t have a clue what it takes to do what she is doing. I race formula cars in one of the developmental programs for Indy cars and it is one of the most intense things you can ever do. Try 130mph in an open wheel car in the rain and then make your stupid gutter comments


84 posted on 02/17/2013 3:35:46 PM PST by Integrityingovt (Obama watching developments)
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To: GeronL
She publicly admitted trying to make someone crash

And that’s never happened before?

Jeff Gordon recently admitted wrecking another driver. He was fined $100k and docked 25 points and got a month of probation and a lot of people think he got off light but actually all that was for his part in the post race brawl, not for wrecking Bowyer to which he admitted wrecking on purpose. Tony Stewart about a month earlier admitted to causing a huge wreck at Talladega although he said he “screwed up”. Nothing happened to Stewart. But in the past Stewart has not only admitted to wrecking other drivers but has publicly vowed to keep doing it.

Stewart vows to keep wrecking drivers who block

Earnhardt Sr.:

One week later, he provided NASCAR with one of its most controversial moments. At the August Bristol race, Earnhardt found himself in contention to win his first short track race since Martinsville in 1995. When a caution came out with 15 laps to go, leader Terry Labonte got hit from behind by the lapped car of Darrell Waltrip. His spin put Earnhardt in the lead with 5 cars between him and Labonte with 5 laps to go. Labonte had four fresh tires and Earnhardt was driving on old tires, which made Earnhardt's car considerably slower. Labonte caught Earnhardt and passed him coming to the white flag, but Earnhardt drove hard into turn two, bumping Labonte and spinning him around. Dale went on to collect the win while spectators booed and made obscene gestures. I didn't mean to turn him around, I just wanted to rattle his cage", Earnhardt said of the incident. Earnhardt finished 7th in the standings that year, and looked like a contender again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Earnhardt

Here is another article comparing the racing styles of Earnhardt Sr. and Kyle Busch who also likes to initiate bumper cars.

Earnhardt Senior and Kyle Busch: Like two peas in a pod

If Danica Patrick should be kicked out of NASCAR, then so should a lot of other male drivers.

85 posted on 02/17/2013 3:39:11 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: EEGator
F1 has never raced at a super speedway, that's Indy/CART cars...
86 posted on 02/17/2013 3:49:00 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mriguy67
what does she weigh? like 100 lbs. Do the cars have to all weigh the same?

The less the driver weighs, the more fuel the pit crew can pump in to the tank during pit stops. Fewer stops for fuel can be a big advantage. I don't think there is a limit to fuel tank size.

87 posted on 02/17/2013 3:54:37 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

True 196 isn’t much lower than 206.....but who knows how fast they could go by now, if it weren’t for all the restrictions.


88 posted on 02/17/2013 3:58:31 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Chode

My bad, I always confuse them. Thanks for the correction. If I remember, you put threads on F1 up.


89 posted on 02/17/2013 4:08:45 PM PST by EEGator
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To: mriguy67
what does she weigh? like 100 lbs. Do the cars have to all weigh the same?

Good question. According to this:

Do heavier drivers have a disadvantage over the drivers that don’t weigh as much?

Each car must weigh a minimum of 3,400 pounds ready to race, which includes the weight of the gas, oil, water, etc. Weights are added to cars whose driver weighs less than 200 pounds. Based on a starting driver weighing 200 pounds, drivers add weights in 10-pound increments up to a maximum of 50 pounds. For example, a driver weighing 185 pounds, adds 20 pounds of weigh to the car, and a driver weighing just 145 pounds adds the maximum 50 pounds(7-19-2000)

http://www.jayski.com/pages/faqrace.htm

From what I understand, the driver’s weight doesn’t make all that much of a difference but in fact a rather than being an advantage a lighter driver is somewhat disadvantaged but then again has a very slight advantage as they not only have to add weight to their car to bring it to the minimum, but can add it all to the left side of the car which supposedly helps in the turns.

I would think being in good overall shape and perhaps not being too small and light or grossly overweight is more of an advantage as drivers can lose 5 to 10 pounds during the course of a race.

90 posted on 02/17/2013 4:12:40 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Libloather

It’s still a MAN’S SPORT, as far as I’m concerned.


91 posted on 02/17/2013 4:17:45 PM PST by BobL
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To: Libloather
I hate to sound like like the PC Police but there's a lot of trash talk going on here and it makes FR sound and look like a high school boy's club.

Anyone watching Danica Patrick in 2012 should realize that she is serious about racing and will be capable of winning.

She's gained experience & learned from running in the pack, getting crashed and finally learning to pay it back.

Like 'em or not, the Go Daddy ads gave her name recognition outside of auto racing as well as guaranteed sponsorship, and they're certainly less demeaning than pimping for reverse mortgages.

If nothing so far makes the case - Tony Stewart ain't no kinda PC guy and he's putting his name and money behind her ability; he even predicted that she'd go faster than him at Daytona, and she did.
If you won't bet on Danica, bet on Smoke.

92 posted on 02/17/2013 4:34:25 PM PST by norton
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To: Libloather

Reality TV is not real.


93 posted on 02/17/2013 4:43:07 PM PST by South40
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To: norton

It’s always great to see a driver get their first pole position. The fact that she is the first woman to do it is also historic, and worthy of reporting and applauding.

I thought she got too much press w/o many accomplishments in past years in Indy, but in this case she deserves all the press she gets in the next week.

The trick will be doing this consistently and getting race results.


94 posted on 02/17/2013 4:49:56 PM PST by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Integrityingovt

“Try 130mph in an open wheel car in the rain and then make your stupid gutter comments”

Um, you do realize she poses half naked, right?

It doesn’t take much effort to drive 130mph in the rain or otherwise on a dedicated roadway. Jut push the gas pedal. No effort at all. The trick to winning is primarily the engineering of the vehicle and the strategic planning of the fuel/tire stops.


95 posted on 02/17/2013 4:54:59 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: EEGator
no worries... common mistake, and yes i put up the the F1 threads

tell you the truth, i would truly love to see them on a SS just once to see what they could do, with the right gears that is

96 posted on 02/17/2013 4:58:19 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: CodeToad

so basicly the driver does not matter any more? (spam in a can?)


97 posted on 02/17/2013 5:09:26 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

At Daytona, I don’t remember what year, but probably mid 1980s, there was an auto magazine write up about top speed at a superspeedway. There was a runoff between an IMSA GTP prototype and a purpose-built NASCAR type car. The IMSA prototype was the Al Holbert Lowenbrau Porsche 962 with a low-drag Le Mans rear body work and wing attached, and maybe just a different gearbox, but a pretty stock race car. The NASCAR was something I don’t remember, but I don’t think it met any NASCAR rules as it was purpose built for this run and no reporting on what it had or how many laps it could last.

The Porsche ran an oval lap at around 250 mph. The “Nascar” ran a few MPH faster. Just shows what speeds could be attained if the rules did not keep the speed down.


98 posted on 02/17/2013 5:18:33 PM PST by MtnClimber (I did not vote for 0bama, someone else did that!)
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To: Chode

It would be pretty cool to see them run at Daytona or Talladega.


99 posted on 02/17/2013 5:41:30 PM PST by EEGator
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To: MtnClimber
can you find a link for that? cause i can't find anything...
100 posted on 02/17/2013 5:45:35 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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