Been through all of those, thanks. I’ll give you one that’s older and has a lot more authority.
Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods;
Do you think God was kidding when He said not to use idols in worship of Him and that He hated it and it was an abomination?
Here’s another one you may want to consider.
CCC841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.
Do you serve the same God as the Muslims? The CCC says you do. I don’t.
With a little effort and integrity, you can cure your ignorance and get you information from scripture rather than the RCC.
. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator," --> God has a plan of salvation -- and that is Christ's sacrifice.
" in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; " --> NOTE: this is AFTER Christians and Jews who are referred to in earlier chapters, all Christians of various stripes and Jews are much closer to each other than we are to hindus or muslims etc. Among those who are not in the Judeo-Christian tradition, you have Moslems, avowed monotheists. hence by the virtue of them acknowledging a one god, they are closer to Judeo-Christian tradition than polytheists or athiests
"these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, " --> they "profess", that doesn't say anything if they do or don't.
"and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”" --> They adore the one, merciful God, but they are flawed in that their worship is directed to Satan, Allah. They may adore God, but they do not realize they are not worshipping Him.
You do realise there is a difference between “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator," and "Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:", right?
Or do you think God's plan does not "include" everyone -- whether they are saved or not? Or do you not believe that Christ did not die for all mankind?
. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator," --> God has a plan of salvation -- and that is Christ's sacrifice.
" in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; " --> NOTE: this is AFTER Christians and Jews who are referred to in earlier chapters, all Christians of various stripes and Jews are much closer to each other than we are to hindus or muslims etc. Among those who are not in the Judeo-Christian tradition, you have Moslems, avowed monotheists. hence by the virtue of them acknowledging a one god, they are closer to Judeo-Christian tradition than polytheists or athiests
"these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, " --> they "profess", that doesn't say anything if they do or don't.
"and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”" --> They adore the one, merciful God, but they are flawed in that their worship is directed to Satan, Allah. They may adore God, but they do not realize they are not worshipping Him.
You do realise there is a difference between “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator," and "Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:", right?
Or do you think God's plan does not "include" everyone -- whether they are saved or not? Or do you not believe that Christ did not die for all mankind?
Muslims figure in the “plan of salvation” just as other non-believers, Hindus, Moslems etc, just as you, Cynical Bear also, figure in this plan
As far back as 1076, Pope St. Gregory VII wrote to Anzir, the king of Mauritania, that “we believe and confess one God, although in different ways.”
Pope Gregory doesn’t say that the one God that he and King Anzir both worship is the same God. All he says is that both he and Anzir worship one God; in other words, they’re both monotheists.
the Council speaks of “Muslims” (Musulmanos), not “Islam,” adoring with Catholics the one and merciful God. It is a manifest fact that Muslim people believe that their God and the Christians’ God is the same.
And the Second Vatican Council is not actually making a definitive statement on that issue. It is saying that both Catholics and Muslims adore the one and merciful God, and while that clearly does indicate a certain commonality, there can be no doubt about one thing it certainly doesn’t mean: that Muslims and Catholics adore the same God in every particular, for Catholics do not believe that Muhammad was a prophet or the Qur’an is God’s Word, and Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God or the Savior of the world, or that God is Triune.
That is all that Vatican II is really saying about Muslims: they’re monotheists, they say they belong to the religion of Abraham, and they revere Jesus, but not as the Son of God, and His Blessed Mother.
Citing parts of the CC again, eh?
It’s a weak argument that has to distort it’s opponent’s.
If you wish to be honest, do the whole section - from the beginning. And argue against that.
What does the header say?
You’ve been called on this before. Can you be honest on it this time?
Sorry, should have pinged you on the previous two posts.