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Gun Violence is Not a Republican Problem, Itís a Democratic Problem
frontpagemag.com ^ | January 18, 2013 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/17/2013 4:35:25 PM PST by grundle

Forget Wal-Mart and skip your local gun show. The murderers of tomorrow will not be found wearing orange vests at your local sporting goods store. They won’t have NRA memberships or trophies on their walls.

You won’t find them in America. Look for them in Obamerica.

67% of firearm murders took place in the country’s 50 largest metro areas. The 62 cities in those metro areas have a firearm murder rate of 9.7, more than twice the national average. Among teenagers the firearm murder rate is 14.6 or almost three times the national average.

Those are the crowded cities of Obamerica. Those are the places with the most restrictive gun control laws and the highest crime rates. And many of them have been run by Democrats and their political machines for almost as long as they have been broken.

Obama won every major city in the election, except for Jacksonville and Salt Lake City. And the higher the death rate, the bigger his victory.

He won New Orleans by 80 to 17 where the murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. He won Detroit, where the murder rate of 53 per 100,000 people is the second highest in the country and twice as high as any country in the world, including the Congo and South Africa. He won it 73 to 26. And then he celebrated his victory in Chicago where the murder rate is three times the statewide average.

These places aren’t America. They’re Obamerica.

In 2006, the 54% of the population living in those 50 metro areas was responsible for 67% of armed killings nationwide. Those are disproportionate numbers especially when you consider that for the people living in most of those cities walking into a store and legally buying a gun is all but impossible.

Mayors of Obamerican cities blame guns because it’s easier than blaming people and now the President of Obamerica has turned to the same shameless tactic. The NRA counters that people kill people, but that’s exactly why Obamerican leaders would rather talk about the guns.

Chicago, the capital of Obamerica, is a city run by gangs and politicians. It has 68,000 gang members, four times the number of police officers. Chicago politicians solicit the support of gang members in their campaigns, accepting laundered contributions from them, hiring their members and tipping them off about upcoming police raids. And their biggest favor to the gang bosses is doing nothing about the epidemic of gang violence.

80% of Chicago’s murders are gang-related. But in 1999 when a bill came up in the Illinois State Senate to charge anyone carrying out a firearm attack on school property as an adult, a law that would have largely affected gang members, the future leader of Obamerica voted present. Had he not voted present, it is doubtful that he would have been reelected in an area where gang leaders wield a great deal of influence.

The majority of murders in the cities with the worst homicide rates are gang-related. And while it isn’t always possible to be certain whether a killing was gang-related, the majority of homicide victims in city after city have been found to have criminal records.

In 2010, there were 11,078 firearm homicides in the United States and over 2,000 known gang-related killings, over 90% of which are carried out with firearms. Since 1981, Los Angeles alone has had 16,000 gang related homicides. That’s more than twice the number of Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is what Obamerica looks like. It’s a place where life is cheap and illegal guns are as available as illegal drugs. It’s the war that we aren’t talking about, because it’s easier to talk about the inanimate objects being used to fight that war.

There are, as John Edwards said, two Americas. America is a country that runs pretty well. And then there’s Obamerica. Not all of Obamerica is broken, but a lot of it is. America does not have a gun violence problem. Obamerica does. And Obamerica has a gun violence problem for the same reason that it has a drug problem and a broken family problem.

Democratic leaders and machines, combined with social workers and justice crusaders have run Obamerica into the ground. Obamerican cities used to be the homes of industry and progress. Now they’re places where young Black and Hispanic men kill each other in growing numbers.

America does not need gun control. It is a mostly law-abiding place. And gun control cannot help Obamerica. Not when its murder rate is driven by gangs who have no trouble obtaining anything; whether it’s legal in the United States or not.

This country does not need to have a conversation about how many bullets should go in a clip. It does need to have a conversation about how many parents should go in a family. It needs to talk about the ghettos of Obamerica and have a serious conversation about broken families and generational dependency.

Obama has become a role model to millions of people in the black community. If anyone can address these problems, it’s him. But instead of trying to solve the problems of Obamerica, instead of doing something about the high levels of unemployment, the broken families and the glamorization of drug dealing and violent crime, he wimped out and picked a fight with rural America.

AIDS prevention was sabotaged by the claim that the disease was a general problem spreading through the population. It wasn’t. Neither is gun violence.

Adam Lanza is as much of a poster boy for gun violence, as Ryan White was for AIDS. A better poster boy for gun violence might be Jay-Z, who boasts of having been a drug dealer and claims to have shot his brother at the age of 12. The drug dealer to millionaire rapper is the Horatio Alger story of Obamerica. And Jay-Z can be seen partying with Obama.

If Obama really wants to get serious about gun violence, then all he has to do is turn to the man standing next to him. But Obama, like every Chicago politician before him, don’t want to end the violence. The death toll is profitable, not just for rappers writing bad poetry about dealing drugs and shooting rivals, but for the politicians atop that heap who score money and gain power by using the problems of Obamerica as some sort of call to conscience for the rest of the country.

That’s what Obama is doing now. Hiding behind Newtown and adorable little kids is the grim specter of Obamerica’s death toll. It’s buried inside the gruesome figures of how many Americans are shot each year issued as an indictment against the entire country in general and gun owners in particular. But those numbers are not an indictment of America. They are an indictment of Democratic mayors and liberal social policy. They are an indictment of Obama.

We need to set aside the same old tired social justice rhetoric and have a serious conversation about what is wrong with New Orleans, Detroit and Chicago. And we need to do it before it’s too late.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/17/2013 4:35:30 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

The term ‘gun violence’ itself is just agitprop. All violent crimes are a problem and all crimes are committed by human beings not guns, hammers, knives, baseball bats or any other inanimate object. “Gun violence” is a political phrase coined with the sole aim of demagoguing for anti-2nd Amendment legislation.


2 posted on 02/17/2013 4:45:41 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: grundle

Ooooo, now you’re in big trouble for telling the truth!


3 posted on 02/17/2013 4:47:20 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: grundle

Talk about your inconvenient truths.


4 posted on 02/17/2013 4:49:56 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: grundle
He won Detroit, where the murder rate of 53 per 100,000 people is the second highest in the country and twice as high as any country in the world, including the Congo and South Africa. He won it 73 to 26.

That's incorrect. 73 to 26 is all of Wayne County, not Detroit. He won Detroit 97% to 3% in 2008. It's at least the same now if not worse.

5 posted on 02/17/2013 4:56:57 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: grundle; RKV
A post that is closely related to the article's subject.

Warning: this is a repeat. BUT knowing the statistics factually before the argument does matter.

1) 50% of all murder victims in 2011 were African-American.
2) 52 % of all murderers in 2011 were African-American (if their race was known and a significant fraction was unknown).
3) The murder rate (not including manslaughter) in the US in 2011 (4.1 per 100K) is half what it was in 1992, and the rate has been falling since 1992, its not an all at once thing.
4) Given that African-Americans make up 14% of the US population and commit half of all murders, that implies…
a) The murder rate for non-African-Americans (86% of the US population) is something like half the national average (about 2.3/100K) – about the same as that of Finland.
b) The murder rate for African-Americans is about 15/100K. This is about the same rate as that of Mexico.
c) African-American men ages 13-39 are about 2.4% of the population of the US in 2011 and account for an estimated 40% of all murders.
5) About half of all murders in the US are committed with handguns (again, as of 2011).

Conclusion: Unless and until we control young urban Black males killing other young urban Black males we’re not going to significantly reduce murder rates in the US.

Opinion: Americans don’t believe giving up their fundamental right to armed self-defense is a price worth paying to stop street thugs engaged in the narcotics trade from killing each other at a high rate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_SF2_QTP1&prodType=table
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_11_1YR_S0101&prodType=table

7 posted on Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:51:33 PM by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)

The thread I found it on...

MSNBC Host: If Adam Lanza Killed Black Kids We Probably Wouldn’t Be Talking About Guns

6 posted on 02/17/2013 4:57:31 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Its important to note that Detroit leads the nation in “Justifiable Homicide” and the authorities like to simply count it as violence, murder, gun violence etc.

Detroit is an armed city and we shouldn’t allow liberals to manipulate the stats for their purposes.

I can’t remember where I read it but I saw an article a while back that said the rate of defensive shootings in Detroit was an astounding 2200% above average.


7 posted on 02/17/2013 5:06:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle

Has anyone published what kind of sentences are actually handed down on convicted gang bangers arrested for mere unlawful possession of a gun? Eric Holders sentences of heavy reprimand, maybe?


8 posted on 02/17/2013 5:14:10 PM PST by Mark (For the first time in my life, I'm no longer proud of my country.)
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To: grundle

Simple solution, just make it illegal for Democrats to own guns!


9 posted on 02/17/2013 5:16:01 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: grundle
Chicago, the capital of Obamerica, is a city run by gangs and politicians.

Isn't that redundant?

10 posted on 02/17/2013 5:25:23 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: grundle

No one wants to say it but the Violence problem in America is isolated to the inner city Gubmint projects and the life long welfare recipients who dwell there. If the numbers from black on black, drug, and gang related murders were tossed out there wouldn’t be enough murders to make a good 30 minute news report. If we had harsher mandatory penalties including the death penalty for murders, rapes, and robberies with a stolen gun the so called problem would be solved.

But since the Obama justice department wont even consider prosecuting these kind of potential voters I suggest an alternative for long term crime prevention. We simply get a group of volunteers to go into these type of high crime neighborhoods and put empty TV, Stereo, Computer, and electronics boxes next to every other mailbox then you do the same thing with all of the other mailboxes but instead of empty boxes drop off a handful of 9mm ammo. In just a few years the number of crimes will drop drastically and so will the number of new welfare applications.


11 posted on 02/17/2013 5:33:06 PM PST by cquiggy
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To: grundle

There’s a really big racial angle here, but conservatives are generally not comfortable talking about it.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 5:34:23 PM PST by River Hawk
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To: grundle

THE TRUTH IS RACIST!


13 posted on 02/17/2013 5:43:47 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: River Hawk

Conservatives simply need to talk smart about it and encourage gun ownership among responsible blacks. They need to be reminded of the racist democrat roots of gun control.

In places like Detroit there is an extremely high rate of lawful defensive shootings and those are almost exclusively blacks defending themselves. Obviously the crime rate is high or there wouldn’t be so many defensive shootings but I suspect the crime rate will fall considerably given enough time.

As far as police presence is concerned, the fewer the better because fewer police “should” be a desired result of civilized society.


14 posted on 02/17/2013 5:48:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle

Teen-agers don’t have guns. That’s against the law /s/

When guns are outlawed only ghetto teen-agers will have guns.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 5:56:29 PM PST by Venturer
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To: TigersEye

“That’s what Obama is doing now. Hiding behind Newtown and adorable little kids is the grim specter of Obamerica’s death toll. “
And I hear the echo of Mark Penn saying Obama needed an Oklahoma City incident to reconnect.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 6:06:53 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Well said.

I’d suggest, based on my reading, that there is an important metric which hasn’t been widely reported. The technical term in criminology is closure rate. Specifically, the is the fraction of crimes which are unsolved. In some jurisdictions, the murder closure rate is below 50%. When murderers have a high probability of getting away with, well, murder, then you will have more murders than if you got yourself hung by the neck until dead with a high certainty if you murdered another human.

The closure rate on murder in Chicago for 2011 was approximately 40%. The closure rate for Salt Lake City in 2011 was 77%.

Here’s some more relevant details.

Utah ( 2,814,000 as of 2011) has about the same population as Chicago (2,696,000 as of 2011)and has about 12% of the number of murders as Chicago
The murder rate in Utah is about 1.8 per 100K population (less than half the US average).
The murder rate in Chicago is 16 per 100K population (>3 times the US average).
>85% of murderers in Chicago had a prior arrest history
>70% of murders were Black in Chicago
>75% of murder victims had a prior arrest history in Chicago


17 posted on 02/17/2013 6:09:39 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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18 posted on 02/17/2013 6:17:29 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: griswold3
And I hear the echo of Mark Penn saying Obama needed an Oklahoma City incident to reconnect.

Mmm hmm, big time! I had forgotten about that. I don't even know who Mark Penn is but I recall that comment being circulated.

19 posted on 02/17/2013 6:19:27 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: RKV

Nice work. Bookmarking another one of your posts.


20 posted on 02/17/2013 6:24:27 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: RedMDer

21 posted on 02/17/2013 6:26:57 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba
"THE TRUTH IS RACIST!"

Yep, facts are hard to bury with 'P.C.'
22 posted on 02/17/2013 6:47:10 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: RKV

The media doesn’t dare point out the fact that wherever there is a high population density of blacks and/or illegal alien Hispanics, there is a disproportionately high violent crime rate.


23 posted on 02/17/2013 6:52:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: grundle

Great article....


24 posted on 02/17/2013 7:05:16 PM PST by Gator113 ( REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS and leave my guns alone!!)
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To: grundle

ping


25 posted on 02/17/2013 7:49:09 PM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: RedMDer

Please show a source for the graphics. I am on the same side, but I have an unpleasant suspicion that what is being shown is not factual. I’ve started a study of murder rate by county based on state records and it doesn’t match the mapping. It’s not ready for prime time, but I know enough to question the image. Here’s a link to my preliminary study - CA, AZ, NV and UT are done to my satisfaction. All other states are incomplete, or not even started.

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hZdRQDjdkwTbkbp8hyBvsIUnGrAGK4XbksfKvvY


26 posted on 02/17/2013 7:50:32 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Simple solution, just make it illegal for Democrats to own guns!”

Simpler solution...make it illegal for Democrats and Lawyers to hold any kind of public office...elective, appointive, or hired.


27 posted on 02/17/2013 8:28:04 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: NoGrayZone; grundle

>>Ooooo, now you’re in big trouble for telling the truth!

Daniel is the most “tell it like it is” commentator out there. So much so I worry about his safety.


28 posted on 02/17/2013 9:08:54 PM PST by expat1000
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To: grundle
Gun Violence is Not a Republican Problem, It’s a Democratic Problem

Democrat Party, because there's nothing democratic about it.

29 posted on 02/17/2013 10:46:37 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: RedMDer

Your post #18 is awesome! Thank you for that!


30 posted on 02/18/2013 1:42:32 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle; onyx

Thank you. It was borrowed from onyx.


31 posted on 02/18/2013 3:26:33 AM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: grundle

Even when he ain’t the Sultan, he writes a mean article.


32 posted on 02/18/2013 5:18:05 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: RKV; RedMDer
Original graphic.






Shame the images aren't clear, but the point is crystal clear.


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33 posted on 02/18/2013 6:31:36 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What the left always says is that the guns keep coming in from the areas surrounding the cities where guns are permitted, and if only guns weren’t allowed in the surrounding areas, there wouldn’t be “gun violence” in the cities.

It’s too bad that what they’re saying is that the people in the cities can’t be trusted with the same responsibilities as those in the surrounding areas.


34 posted on 02/18/2013 6:47:48 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: grundle

ping


35 posted on 02/18/2013 7:00:04 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: MrB

As usual, the left sees the problem ass there being too much freedom.


36 posted on 02/21/2013 4:15:51 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: onyx

Based on my personal evaluation of the data, the image on the left is not based on fact. Here is one specific example. The average murder rate per 100,000 population in the US for 2010 is 4.8. Merced County in California near where I grew up is displayed as a “low murder rate (i.e. red)” area on the map. The overall homicide rate for California for 2010 is 4.7 per 100,000. The Merced County rate is higher than the national average for 2010 at a rate of 10 per 100,000.

This map is cr_p. Stop using it. It does us no good to lie. As with other myths, this map does not attribute the data on which it was built so it cannot be checked.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/cjsc/publications/homicide/hm10/preface.pdf

http://www.examiner.com/article/merced-county-has-highest-murder-rate


37 posted on 02/22/2013 5:44:37 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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