Skip to comments.Will Only Suckers Buy ObamaCare Insurance?
Posted on 02/21/2013 3:49:06 PM PST by IBD editorial writer
For years, ObamaCare critics focused on its least popular feature the mandate that everyone buy insurance taking their fight all the way to the Supreme Court.
But as ObamaCare's official launch date approaches, even its backers are beginning to admit that the law could actually create powerful incentives for millions of people and thousands of businesses to drop their coverage, despite the mandate.
There is growing concern, for example, that the law's market reforms will cause a huge "rate shock," particularly for those young and healthy.
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Only suckers pay for health insurance.
I’m happy on Medicaid. Why on earth would I want to pay exorbitant premiums for health insurance?
The perverse consequence of ObamaCare is single payer is in our future - whether by accident or design.
We’ll see it in place before the end of the decade.
Well see it in place before the end of the decade.
Thanks to Justice Roberts’ decision tossing the 10th Amendment.
Don't you see, the more the individual gets screwed over, the smarter and more beneficial "conservatives" think you are.
It's like drunken gymnastics for your brain......it hurts a lot, can have long lasting damaging effects, but in the end you can tell yourself it's good for you because it's exercise.
It is with you like your soul is with your physical body. There is no choice but to pay for it one way or another - by design.
My grandad who’s healthy as a horse at 74 dropped his part B after ten years (got on it at 62) - never used it. It was priced at that time at $97/mo had paid in over $11,000 for nothing. He’s only on hypertension medication at $10 for a three month supply at Walmart. That’s it. He just told me in another year or two the price of part B will rise to $210 a month. This is what Obamacare will be like.
So, when you’re on Obamacare, what doctors will you see?
I’d bet that by March of 2014, there won’t be a single doctor in the USA that will accept a new Medicaid or Medicare patient.
They’ll have to take a cut to their income or become salaried state employees.
Doctors will take the path of least resistance.
Free SNAP, free SSI and free health care.
What’s not to love?
Unless you miss the old America that died November 6th, 2012 and is never coming back again.
my bro had to drop his companies O-care cause it was going to cost him 20 grand a year. Using his wife’s. If we don’t get insurance we are fined a grand a year. hmmm.
Yeah, it was sheer genius to enshrine the death of the tenth as well as saddle the nation with an enormous tax and cost increase. I keep hearing that we conservatives get even more back with his decision but the trouble is that no one can give me an example. Giving the federal government unlimited power is supposed to be conservative?
Company's subsidized premiums increased to 20K/year even before Obamacare provisions go into effect (Jan. 1st, 2014)? That's hard to believe. I can buy a commercial individual policy right now including Rx coverage for a family of four for $700/month and with no high deductible.
Too much.... in my 20s, I paid $80 a month for HMO health insurance.
$700 a month for a family of four is paid only by suckers. You’re better off on state Medicaid, depending on whether you qualify for it with your income.
hard to believe but true. might have to do with my sister-in-laws previous battle with breast cancer? I’ll tell him about the commercial option. Thanks.
I should have qualified the quote: we are in our late 50s with two young dependents. Whole different ball game from “in my 20s”. That was the lowest commercial quote I found. Though we don’t qualify for state Medicaid because of necessary withdrawals from my IRA, we did end up on a state plan (they call it a “transition plan”). No idea what is going to happen next year or what our premiums will be.
These things vary a huge amount from state to state. Easily a factor of 4 for premium cost. Next year Obamacare will “improve” matters and they’ll all be at the higher rate or higher.
Four other judges voted the same as Roberts. It seems wrong, somehow, to hold the only judge, whose vote isn’t predictable on the basis of ideological orientation, accountable for any SCOTUS ruling you don’t like.
“If we dont get insurance we are fined a grand a year.”
Just make sure you always under withhold your tax payments such that you will always owe the government a bit at the end of each tax year instead of the other way around and they’ll have no way to collect any fine you might owe.
That’s the best way to do it anyway as it’s stupid to give the government an interest-free loan anyway.
The other four judges don’t even claim to be originalists and are left wing idiots. Roberts turned his back on everything he supposedly stood for the make that ruling. What was his payback? That vote sealed the fate of America. The idea of a limited government is dead and the nation will follow shortly.
There are few portions in the US Constitution more clear than the 10th Amendment. Roberts had to use an extremely twisted world view to reach the conclusion he came to.
You’d know more about that than me. A Supreme Court shouldn’t play politics. (The Supreme Court of Canada has it’s own set of problems — so, I’m not trying to suggest that only the SCOTUS has problems separating politics from the rule of law.)
The problem is that people -- apparently even you -- interpret belief in the Constitution as being partisan right-wing behavior.
To a first approximation, the Supreme Court currently consists of four Constitutionalists, four anti-Constitutionalists, and one who joined the second group last year.
“The problem is that people — apparently even you — interpret belief in the Constitution as being partisan right-wing behavior.”
Almost everyone on this board seems to agree that there are 4 left-wing partisans, who make their rulings on the basis of a partisan political calculus. Left wingers adore them.
There are four other justices, who reliably make rulings that right-wingers like. Perhaps, they are all strict constructionists, and make their rulings without any thought of the political issues. If so, why is it so easy to predict what their rulings are going to be, simply on the basis of the partisan divisions in the political realm?
Roberts stands apart, because his rulings aren’t easily predicted on the basis of a political analysis alone. That’s as it should be — constitutional law isn’t easy, otherwise they could just randomly select panels of 9 citizens to hear each case; like they do with juries in ordinary trials.
Exactamundo. The left works to characterize the people-who-actually-believe-in-what-this-country-means as people who are at the crazy right end of the spectrum (”bitter clingers”). What used to be the American ideal and the American consensus is now portrayed as stupid and/or evil.
By now we've had a hundred years of public schooling. Now, even the teachers are stupid and every major institution in this country is broken. Politics, government, education, health care, and so on are more "dys-" than functional, sapping the country of the resources it needs to move forward. The military is joining the flow towards mediocrity.
We are now -- with few exceptions -- a nation of sheep. That provides a huge opportunity for people who claim to be our shepherd -- and an equal opportunity for a wolf.
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