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Is Your Local Police Department Using Pictures of Pregnant Women and Children for Target Practice?
http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi ^ | 2/19/13 | Mike Riggs

Posted on 02/21/2013 5:24:15 PM PST by Politicalmom

What if I told you police in your town could desensitize themselves to the idea of shooting a (armed) child, pregnant woman, or young mother, for just a couple of bucks? The "No More Hesitation" series from Law Enforcement Targets Inc. offers exactly that. For less than 99 cents per target, police can shoot at real-life images "designed to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training."

Update: The marketing team at Law Enforcement Targets, Inc. sends along this helpful explanation for the "No More Hesitation" series:

"The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served."

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; desensitization; dhs; dhstargets; donutwatch; nomorehesitation; police; pregnantwomen; realistictargets; targets
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I've been watching this unfold. Action Targets, which bought Law Enforcement Targets, tried to distance themselves from the situation. Now both have "apologies" posted on their Facebook pages:

"We apologize for the offensive nature of our “No More Hesitation” products. These products have been taken offline due to the opinions expressed by so many, including members of the law enforcement community.

This product line was originally requested and designed by the law enforcement community to train police officers for unusually complex situations where split-second decisions could lead to unnecessary loss of life.

Consistent with our company mission as a training supplier (not a training methods company), we will continue to seek input from law enforcement professionals to better serve their training objectives and qualification needs. We sincerely appreciate law enforcement professionals for the risks they take in providing safety and defending freedom."

The announcement of the purchase of LET:

http://www.actiontarget.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Action_Target_Acquires_Law_Enforcement_Targets.pdf

1 posted on 02/21/2013 5:24:22 PM PST by Politicalmom
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To: Politicalmom
one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets...
2 posted on 02/21/2013 5:26:48 PM PST by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Politicalmom

Have they run out of puppy dog targets?


3 posted on 02/21/2013 5:27:48 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Politicalmom

We know who they think the enemy are.

White people in their own homes and yards and none of them were holding “assault rifles” either.


4 posted on 02/21/2013 5:27:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Politicalmom

Those targets may have been taken “offline”, but will probably still be marketed behind the scenes. Disturbing.


5 posted on 02/21/2013 5:32:09 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Politicalmom

6 posted on 02/21/2013 5:33:51 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Politicalmom

I these are used for shoot/don’t shoot scenarios, I don’t have a problem with it.


7 posted on 02/21/2013 5:35:35 PM PST by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: Politicalmom

Where are the minority-portrayed no hesitation targets.

Homeland Security is sick.

And then some question why we no longer consider the Federal government to have any legitimacy in ruling, I mean governing, us.

Hard to think of myself as a citizen of this corrupt mess any longer.


8 posted on 02/21/2013 5:35:35 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Those targets may have been taken “offline”, but will probably still be marketed behind the scenes. Disturbing.

Well they will probably still be in available for the government requisitions catalog....

Or if they have a special site for Obamaland insecurity....


9 posted on 02/21/2013 5:39:22 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Nachoman

They have pictures at the source article. The targets are depicting holding real weapons so they are intended to be shot, reducing the inhibitions of cops from shooting children, pregnant women and old people regardless of the unlikelihood of the scenario.


10 posted on 02/21/2013 5:44:33 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Tench_Coxe
Once on the Internet always on the Internet. These are the targets before they took them off their web site. The targets are still available for purchase.

For the person that thinks this is a shoot/no-shoot type of poster, wrong. These are "shoot!" posters; people supposedly posing a threat by pointing a gun. The cop is supposed to shoot these as a desensitizing training to shoot ordinary people.

11 posted on 02/21/2013 5:49:40 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Valpal1
"reducing the inhibitions of cops from shooting children, pregnant women and old people regardless of the unlikelihood of the scenario."

FIRST thought to cross my mind...
12 posted on 02/21/2013 5:49:43 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Nachoman

That’s not the case.

Statement from the company:

“I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations.”

Anyway, “No More Hesitation”? That’s hardly ambiguous as to the purpose.


13 posted on 02/21/2013 5:53:39 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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Ahhh... remember the good old days when paper targets looked like this?

Guess who the Assahola is now?

YOU!

15 posted on 02/21/2013 5:58:49 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Politicalmom

To be consistent they should also have targets of uniformed police officers. Then they can learn to shoot at their own, which are much more likely then pregnant moms and children to become a threat.


16 posted on 02/21/2013 6:06:30 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Politicalmom

yea... i have no idea why it makes me angry...

17 posted on 02/21/2013 6:13:15 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Politicalmom

18 posted on 02/21/2013 6:14:36 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Nachoman

That’s exactly what they are for...forces officers to look at the hands...and SEE what is in them before making the decision to pull the trigger...


19 posted on 02/21/2013 6:16:38 PM PST by bike800
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To: Vince Ferrer

you know they'd have a problem with this target.

and for some reason, i just don't care anymore

20 posted on 02/21/2013 6:16:48 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Politicalmom

Too bad for them they didn’t see the dad in the background bushes with a semi-auto .308!


21 posted on 02/21/2013 6:16:48 PM PST by Renegade
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To: GeronL

Infowars has been all over this. They interviewed company officials and LEOs. The targets were custom made to DHS specifications to fill a new DHS order. The LEO and military commentators stated the purpose of the targets was for desensitizing agents.

The company says they’ve taken them “offline” but I bet they’re still filling the contract. I suppose they’ll soon have an SSL product page.

All the situations depict apprehension of unsuspecting, armed civilians. A pregnant woman in a nursery and a elderly woman in a bathrobe in her kitchen? C’mon!ll soon have an SSL product page.

All the situations depict apprehension of unsuspecting, armed civilians. A pregnant woman in a nursery and a elderly woman in a bathrobe in her kitchen? C


22 posted on 02/21/2013 6:25:04 PM PST by Justa
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To: Justa

I think you are 100% correct


23 posted on 02/21/2013 6:28:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Renegade

I bet their C.O.P. ( chief of Police) series will be a big seller
to the civilian market too.


24 posted on 02/21/2013 6:29:46 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: Valpal1

The targets are depicting holding real weapons so they are intended to be shot, reducing the inhibitions of cops from shooting children, pregnant women and old people regardless of the unlikelihood of the scenario.

Most of the pictures could be people performing self defense actions. It is probably to train DHS agents doing “No-Knock” raids to shoot anyone who may be daring to defend themselves from an attacker they don;t know is actually a government agent...


25 posted on 02/21/2013 6:31:19 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Justa

Infowars has been all over this. They interviewed company officials and LEOs. The targets were custom made to DHS specifications to fill a new DHS order. The LEO and military commentators stated the purpose of the targets was for desensitizing agents.

Really, the company MADE these due to a request FROM DHS????

This scares the living hell outta me.....!!!


26 posted on 02/21/2013 6:34:01 PM PST by GraceG
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To: CodeToad

Did anyone else notice the Star of David on the shorts of the Young-Mother-On-Playground target?

Imo these are situational targets for the purpose of desensitizing DHS agents to kill such people should they resist apprehension.


27 posted on 02/21/2013 6:34:51 PM PST by Justa
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To: Nachoman

I saw a story from the next township over last night where a cop would have been justified in shooting but didn’t.

Some punk kicked in the door of a house and hit the old man living there in the face with the butt of a shotgun. A cop arrived (by chance) to find the kid in the doorway with the old man on the ground. Apparently the kid hesitated when he was told to drop the gun but changed his mind when the cop told him that he had one chance.


28 posted on 02/21/2013 6:39:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GraceG

http://www.infowars.com/law-enforcement-requested-shooting-targets-of-pregnant-women/


29 posted on 02/21/2013 6:40:38 PM PST by Justa
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To: Justa

They are planting thoughts in these agents minds just like Hitler and company did towards the Jews.

Their long range plans don’t bode well for Citizens.


30 posted on 02/21/2013 6:41:04 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: sten

This came from Alex Jones at Infowars. Therefore, I would take all these pictures with a very, very large grain of salt...to the point of complete dismissal.


31 posted on 02/21/2013 6:44:18 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: CodeToad

>> For the person that thinks this is a shoot/no-shoot type of poster, wrong.

So where does the layman go to find his NMH posters?


32 posted on 02/21/2013 6:45:43 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: sten

The only one with what appears to be a halfway-decent grip is the old broad on the far right.


33 posted on 02/21/2013 6:55:24 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Justa

The company claims they were made at the request of a “local police department”. Even if I believed that tripe, it wouldn’t make me feel better.


34 posted on 02/21/2013 6:58:16 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: muleskinner

Um..what?

These pictures were ON their official website, along with the description of the cop who used pictures of his own children as targets.


35 posted on 02/21/2013 7:01:51 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Politicalmom

That’s the first I heard of them being for local law enforcement.

Several sources say they were created for a DHS contract.

http://www.infowars.com/company-behind-shooting-targets-of-children-received-2-million-from-dhs/


36 posted on 02/21/2013 7:06:56 PM PST by Justa
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To: muleskinner
This came from Alex Jones at Infowars. Therefore, I would take all these pictures with a very, very large grain of salt...to the point of complete dismissal.

See Law Enforcement Targets, Inc.. They must have been pretty offensive if you check out their website. Here's their explanation.


37 posted on 02/21/2013 7:08:19 PM PST by Girlene
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To: muleskinner

Um, Action Targets posted an “apology” on their Facebook page regarding the targets in question. What they said was they took the targets offline, not that they had discontinued selling them or that they pulled back the targets for sale.


38 posted on 02/21/2013 7:09:42 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: muleskinner

I read about it on Brietbart during the Great FR Crash. Not a Jones raving this time.


39 posted on 02/21/2013 7:10:57 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Justa

I consider their “apology” to be a lying attempt at CYA to try to salvage their DHS relationship. They aren’t getting much business from the general public any more, I hope.


40 posted on 02/21/2013 7:11:07 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Justa; VRWCarea51

Yes, those images do appear to be of Jewish people.


41 posted on 02/21/2013 7:21:46 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad

There doesn’t seem to be any of Eric Holder’s people in the lineup.


42 posted on 02/21/2013 7:26:46 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Or cops or any sort, like undercover. No other-than-whites, no nothings.


43 posted on 02/21/2013 7:34:48 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad

These pictures are going to have cops seeing guns in the hands of people who almost certainly don’t have guns.

They already see guns that aren’t there in the hands of men - oops, so sorry, or oops, where’s the drop gun.

Now they will see guns that aren’t there in the hands of little children and old women and mothers with babies.


44 posted on 02/21/2013 7:43:00 PM PST by heartwood
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To: heartwood
"These pictures are going to have cops seeing guns in the hands of people who almost certainly don’t have guns."

Well, the cops in CA saw Christopher Dorner in that pickup truck with the two women in it that were shot up.

45 posted on 02/21/2013 8:58:15 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: heartwood

Indeed. A girl holding a hair dryer?

Gun. Fire!

A boy holding a nerf gun?

Gun. Fire!

A pregnant mother keeping an elder child behind her?

Gun behind her back! Fire!


46 posted on 02/21/2013 8:58:34 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Politicalmom

Everything is going according to plan. Obama needs his national civilian security force to be able to act against all threats!


47 posted on 02/21/2013 9:02:53 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Justa

Re #27; Yup; I noticed it.

It might be a flower, but it sure looks like a yellow Mogen David to me. It might be a coincidence... but I don’t think so, really.

All of the young women, including the pregnant Mother, look potentially “Jewish” too. I didn’t see any of them wearing a burqua or hijab, did you?

I guess there are some enclaves where the DHS is not expected to be operating, eh?

Can anyone read the lettering on the old guy’s cap? Somehow I don’t think it says Allawi Achbar or anything like that.

I wonder if the number on the protective Mother’s blouse has any significance?

There is something deeply sinister about these “targets”.
It may even be demonic.


48 posted on 02/22/2013 1:49:36 AM PST by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: George Varnum

Original page for No More Hesitation targets at Law Enforcement Targets website (found it with the Bing search engine, saved it, but I don’t know how to do a screen shot for this thread) ...

http://www.letargets.com/estylez_ps.aspx?searchmode=category&searchcatcontext=~010000~010100~010101.2


49 posted on 02/22/2013 2:28:49 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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Can anybody do a screen shot of the link above and post it on this thread?


50 posted on 02/22/2013 2:51:26 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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