Posted on 02/21/2013 8:28:27 PM PST by HMS Surprise
Certainly the militia is the people, for what else could it possibly be? Here’s the definitive quote from one of our founding fathers: ”I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” — George Mason, in Debates in the Virginia Convention.
Consider the question: Does combining the right of free speech with the right to assemble diminish either? Of course not. And the same is true when you combine the right to assemble with the right to be armed. Meeting with rifles in hand for the purpose of training in their proper use is exactly what “well-regulated” means.
In fact, the Supreme Court supercedes Joe Biden on this issue. In U.S. v Miller the Supremes decided that a sawed-off shotgun is not a military weapon, so it is therefore not protected by the 2nd amendment. The clear implication is that only military-style weapons are protected. The very weapons politicians are trying to ban, are the only weapons that the founders thought worth defending with a constitutional amendment.
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Run for office and stop acting defenseless and wild.
Draw the lines again and I suspect that a Civil War redux would have a different conclusion. Number one reason why: The leftists have been disarming themselves for 60 years.
“A Walk in the Sun” was about the Texas National Guard in Italy Great movie
Biden lives in a rather large compound in the Wilmington area. Good for me but not for thee.
The man needs a dog walking license for his brain. It sure doesn’t live in his crainium.
American Legion and VFW talk tough but most were beaten down long time ago. Few willing to really fight.
Our Sheriff is non committal. Don’t know what to make of him as to what side of the fence he is on. Think is is just waiting to see which side comes out on top.
Gun Shops are the main source of prospects. DEFINATELY. They have balls and plenty of ammo to expend.
Who’s your sheriff? Time for POLITE phone calls...I’ll make one.
Forward the article along to your sheriff.
True enough, And Libs think We are at the disadvantage.
They honestly think that we have no understanding of the nuance of law.
I would argue that we have a higher understanding of law and that we rebel when the law is not suitable to reasonable men.
Yeah, it’s interesting that he is asking his wife to fire shotguns off of the balcony. I suppose the secret service will be well within range when she does.
Ammo seems to be the issue now, and that may have been the plan all along. Guns aren’t much use without a thousand rounds or so.
I will look that up.
There are already groups training across the nation that are networked. Many have LEO and military personnel tie-ins. Not spoken of much for obvious reasons especially since the NSA facility domestic spying center in Bluffdale is about to go online. It’s reportedly going to be more focused on spying internally on domestic threats than foreign ones. Draw your own conclusions.
And the nuances of the web. Gotta love the internet...
http://newyorkcityguns.com/2013/02/what-exactly-is-the-militia/
I spoke with a gentleman a few days ago... His nephew works for .. won’t say.. but the nephew told this man to turn his phone off, aim it at the wall, turn it on after a bit, and call him back. The nephew turned the phone on independently, turned the camera on, and could see whatever the phone was aimed at... while it was supposedly off. Drones, smart phones, federal clones.. I know all of this, but trust me because I KNOW this also, there are people working within the government who are perfectly willing to keep us updated especially if certain lines are crossed.
23 counties?
That is the Militia in action.
We are currently losing the war by not using more legal challenges.
Sometimes I hate the slow slog of Americas system, but it is brilliant, and it ensures that no one will just swoop in and take over.
We feel a bit hopeless with Obama running rough shod on us and many are whipped and beaten, but if you can just get that local militia to rise up...
That neighbor, that local city council, the mayor..
Pretty soon Obamas inbox is getting bombarded.
Keep up the fight, hope for the bes,t and prepare for the worst.
In any debate, one should define the terms used in the debate: \
Thusly:
Definition of to “KEEP” ‘ to preserve and maintain.. TO GUARD; DEFEND
to “KEEP” `means NOT TO LET GO ONE`S POSSESSION OR CONTROL’
“KEEPER”,n., “one who watches, GUARDS, maintains”
to “BEAR: 1. to support and move; CARRY.
2. to be equipped furnished ..as to BEAR A SWORD.
3. to be directed; to be pointed, as TO PLANT GUNS TO BEAR UPON AS TRENCH’”
‘Thus 2 and 3 above appear refer to BEAR as associated with WAR
if the two defintions are combined we have”
to keep and bear arms=
To preserve arms, to maintain arms, to guard [with arms], to DEFEND with arms;
to NOT LET GO ONE`S POSSESSION OF ARMS OR CONTROL OF ARMS’
TO WATCH WITH ARMS, TO GUARD WITH ARMS, TO MAINTAIN WITH ARMS
TO BEAR ARMS = TO SUPPORT ARMS, TO MOVE ARMS, TO CARRY ARMS
TO BEAR ARMS = TO BE EQUIPPED WITH ARMS, TO BE FURNISHED WITH ARMS;
TO BEAR ARMS = TO DIRECT ARMS, TO POINT ARMS UPON A MILITARY TARGET
‘TO FURNISH ARM[S]= “TO PROVISION FOR EFFECTIVE ACTION FOR OPERATION, ESPECIALLY IN WAR”
ALL above Wiebster`s Dictionary 1887
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Therefore “to keep ARMS” MEANS NOT TO LOSE CONTROL OF= ergo SO-CALLED Gun Control’ is a violation of The Second Amendment.
“’TO BEAR ARMS IS A TERM OF WAR-
TO KEEP ARMS IS IMPLICIT IN “TO BEAR ARMS”
Historical examples of WAR TERM ‘BEARING ARMS”
“An account of the numbers of men able to bear arms in the ...”
by
Thomas Carte
An Account
England: 1744
PREFACE May 1 1743
“As all appearances bid us soon expect a war with France,
and the accounts given of the condition and abilities
of that kingdom differ prodigiously,
according to the different views,
inclinations or prepossessions of our
political writers, it is thought proper to publish
to the world the following accounts:
as well as the numbers of men able to BEAR ARMS,
and fit to be employed in the service of the war...”
p.239 “Peter Collamore (early Collamer) was on the list of those liable
to BEAR ARMS in Scituate 1643.”
p.118 ‘Military Affairs’ “In 1643 the Colony Court ordered a list of men liable to BEAR ARMS that year.”
“History of Scituate, Massachusetts: from its first settlement til 1831”
by Samuel deane, 1831
p. “Every man should be a citizen, and every citizen a soldier; and then he would be best able to defend
his country and his own property.”
p.180. “The right of conscience in relation to BEARING ARMS is a scared right.
It is equally sacred with the right to self-defence.”
“But what is meant of our militia? Why, when he spoke of them, he meant American citizens, accustomed to the use of arms;
not in the camp or in the field, but American citizens accustomed to use THEIR ARMS, and to all that manual dexterity
which could only be gained by long practice; not field maneouvering and marching, but a perfect knowledge of the rifle
and the musket. Such a use of the rifle that you could take the eye out of a squirrel on the highest tree. This was in all,
and beyond this there was no necessity to go in this country. In this the soldiers of our country had a superiority of those
of any other. Ask the British officers who were engaged in the last war whether there was no superiority in our troops
in this respect. WEll, was this to be learned at military musters? ....But when it is necessary, the American citizen is
always ready to BEAR ARMS without this militia training. how was it before in the last war in this State? [War of 1812]
Were their any militia trainings to make the cititzens of Pennsylvania prepared for service?
Not At all-they were ready to meet the enemy in the east and in the west. How was it in Tennessee before the Battle of New Orleans.
Did the men who fought that battle perform militia service to prepare them for it?
No sir- it was known that they did not. Were the militia of Bunker Hill, prepared for the events of that day
of glory by previous trainings as militia? No sir.’ p183
p.79 “He thought, too, that we ought not to prohibit aliens who had made this their adopted country,
from BEARING ARMS in its defence in time of WAR.”
WEARING ARMS< BEARING ARMS
Volunteers#War of 1812
“Governor Synder, 1815- Our militia and volunteers were actually engage with the enemy..”p.99
‘...if we destroyed the militia system, we did not indeed take away the right of the people to bear arms,
but we destroyed the inclination, the habit of WEARING ARMS; and such was not his [Gov. Snyder]sentiment
as to what ought to be the condition of things in a country like ours.
He believed that not only right, but the habit of WEARING ARMS was essential to freemen,
and to the preservation of the liberty of freemen. This was the principle inserted into
the Constitution of the United States; and if we did away with this, the effect would be to destroy
the principle and the feeling altogether.”-p.100
p.105. “The terms of the Constitution he need not refer to; and the amendment now under discussion
was simply an AFFIRMANCE OF A POWER,-THAT THE RIGHT OF A PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”
“Who fought the Battles, of Lexington,Bunker Hill and Saratoga?
...Who saved Baltimore? ... Who obtained the victory at New Orleans?
These militia, trained and disciplined in their own houses;
not practised in the field, but BRINGING THEIR GUNS WHICH THEY WERE TAUGHT TO USE WHEN CHILDREN.”p.111
viz “
“Proceedings and Debates of the Convention of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Vol. 4, by the Pennsylvania
Constitutional Convention, 1837-8
The Second Amendment ‘BEAR ARMS” has nothing to do with defending your home or person; au contraire- to BEAR ARMS is a PURELY TERM of WAR
as demonstrated in these historical facts:
O`Callaghan, “Hist. Of New Netherland”, Vol.2, p.134, `Provisional Order for the Government, Preservation and Peopling of New Netherland`
1650`s New Netherland: also cf. ibid., p.430 “the town contained 40 men capable of BEARING ARMS” ==================
also cf. ibid., p.521 “Staten Island is a two good (Dutch) miles from the fort (Amsterdam). It was settled on the south side, out of sight of the FORT, by ten or twelve men capable of BEARING ARMS.” ========
1656,1664 “At the commencement of Stuyvesant’s administration, the number of persons capable of BEARING ARMS is stated to have been between two hundred and fifty and three hundred, in and around the capital.3 Including Rensselaerswyck, this would give a population of two thousand souls. In 1664, the number is estimated at “ full ten thousand.”4 New of New Amsterdam contained, in 1656, when first surveyed by dam. Capt. de Koninck, one hundred and twenty houses, and one thousand souls. The former increased in 1660, when a map of the capital was made, to over three hundred and fifty,5 whilst the population augmented, in 1664, to fifteen hundred. Of these, not quite two hundred and fifty were male adults; the balance, between twelve and thirteen hundred, consisted of women, and children below eighteen years of age.” ibid, p.540
Thus the second Amendment means to bear arms means to be ready for miitary action; in this case, every citizen has the right to take military action for the security of the state [=the PEOPLE], [which is what Americans did in 1775-1781 against tyranny.] The other pre-consititution state constitutions also say KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, so the “Keep” is understood in the Second Amendment since it was explicitly stated in pre-existing state constitutions.
True that. We don’t “bear arms” when someone is entering the domicile; we come out firing. And all militia are expected to provide their own rifle for a reason... so that they will always be handy.
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