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The Truth About Mass Shootings and Gun Control
Commentary ^ | February 2013 | Benjamin Domenech

Posted on 02/21/2013 9:29:26 PM PST by neverdem

When tragedy strikes on a national scale, our initial reactions have a commonality to them: We recoil in shock and are overcome with sorrow. But then, as anger and frustration set in, we begin to divide, to blame the things we have always blamed for the evils around us. We insist that something must be done, steps must be taken, laws must be passed.

Adam Lanza, an honors student with no criminal record, murdered his mother, stole four of her guns, and—for reasons we may never know—decided to rob the world of the lives of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It was a murder of unarmed innocents on a scale with few precedents in American history, the second deadliest school shooting in history, and the worst massacre in an elementary school since the 1927 bombings at the Bath School in Michigan...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; massshootings; secondamendment Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: neverdem

The headline is amusing.
The “powers that be” do not want or have they ever been interested in truth..........what they want is control of the citizenry.


2 posted on 02/21/2013 9:33:33 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: neverdem
"Meanwhile, America has had the opposite experience: massive increases in gun ownership"

and a rush to buy ammunition never before seen in my half century + of life.
I saw, and was part of, a rush by a crowd, to buy all-but-impossible to find ammo this morning.
It was like the stories you hear about blacks trying to get the latest pair of Jordan tennis shoes...
(without fights, damages to property, or shootings!)

Almost half of the crowd were Army, in uniform. You can imagine the conversations taking place in the 40+ minute wait for the store to open.
1.) DHS buyout of billions of rounds of ammo.
2.)Tons of new gun citizen-control laws.
3.) Reasons why the rush...confiscation, democide, economic collapse.
4.) How American is about to go over the cliff into something that more resembles the former U.S.S.R. than the country we grew up in...

These 'elected officials' are about to realize they have opened a bottle,
and they will NOT like the genie that they cannot return to its confines.
3 posted on 02/21/2013 9:56:21 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: neverdem
We insist that something must be done, steps must be taken, laws must be passed.

Physicians are still taught to heed this ancient advice: "Primum non nocere," meaning "Above all do no harm." It is excellent advice because it has been shown to produce the best overall results.

Compare "Above all do no harm" with the liberal mantra, "BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING!"

4 posted on 02/21/2013 11:28:13 PM PST by TChad (Call them Oppressives, not Progressives.)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
We need closed primaries to remove the RINOs! If the GOP doesn't take the Senate and hold the House in 2014, then I would consider a new conservative party which would probably take years to be a viable national party, IMHO. A new 3rd party in 2016 could be a gift to Hillary.

As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned

Baucus: "The President's Part Of The Sequester; The WH Recommended It" (Video)

Cuomo Reacts to SAFE Act Backlash funny video

I drank fracking fluid, says Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (And it was OK)

A natural gas strategy Democrats should heed WaPo's masthead editorial is pro-fracking!!!

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

P.S. Those videos are short.

5 posted on 02/21/2013 11:43:31 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
We need closed primaries to remove the RINOs! If the GOP doesn't take the Senate and hold the House in 2014, then I would consider a new conservative party which would probably take years to be a viable national party, IMHO. A new 3rd party in 2016 could be a gift to Hillary.

As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned

Baucus: "The President's Part Of The Sequester; The WH Recommended It" (Video)

Cuomo Reacts to SAFE Act Backlash funny video

I drank fracking fluid, says Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (And it was OK)

A natural gas strategy Democrats should heed WaPo's masthead editorial is pro-fracking!!!

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

P.S. Those videos are short.

6 posted on 02/21/2013 11:44:33 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Great read. Thanks for posting.

It amazes me how the most simple, logical, factual, argument, is ignored when discussing firearms.

It is akin to denying 1+1 = 2

All I hear is,”yeah but if it will spare ONE life”

I respond “driving is privelage, not an inalienable right. Ban cars. Don’t allow convicted felons to drive cars. If it’ll save ONE life, it’s worth it, right?”

Then I’m accused of just being silly.


7 posted on 02/22/2013 4:00:12 AM PST by Toadman (To anger a Conservative, tell a lie. To anger a liberal, tell the truth.)
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To: svcw
1. Show me the actual interim and final report cards. I have mine. Why can't these be produced and shown to prove this twerp was a genius. I have all my daughters records. Should be easy for the Communist press to track this down.

2. What was his motive? Why no manifesto left behind by the 'genius'? Why were all the computers and cell phones destroyed,...or were they? No phone calls to friends bragging of the impending plan???...if he had any friends?...ever? Why an elementary school he and his mother had NO connection with? Why not a high school he may have attended where he could blast all those bullies that teased him??? Seems like a more satisfying target than a bunch of helpless 5 year olds.

3. At the very least SHOW ME the bullet blasted front door or window panels he shot out to gain entry. What harm could there be in that?? The Commie press and Conn. Commie gov't. all claim he blasted his way in with an AR-15. I saw the video of an expert marksman blasting bullet proof glass with the same gun. Fractured but not shattered. Show me exactly HOW he got in.

4. The human body has roughly 5 liters of blood. Factoring for how small the victims were we can say roughly 2-3 liters. One kid alone was said to have been shot 11 times at close range with an AR-15. The bleed-out alone from this one kid would have been massive. Every major artery in his body would have been cut in have with gaping wounds. His skull would have exploded with brains and blood literally painting the walls and loots. Multiply that by 20 and you've got massive blood splatter, pools of blog, brains, tissue everywhere. Responders must have had to step in the blood and check each kid to see if any were still breathing. They would have had to pick them up. They would have been covered in blood from head to foot.

The crime scene photographers (if they even or ever existed) would have stepped in blood and tissue. The smell of the release of excrement and urine at death would have been overwhelming. Where are the photographs??? If not shots of the bodies then at least make your case with clean-up photos.

5. Were there Homeland Security crisis actors there?? Were they interviewed?? Were they detected and revealed? Why did literally hundreds of people exit one of the doors of the firehouse and walk completely around the firehouse to the front to enter and then to reappear exiting again the original door over, and over, and over and over again???? Must have been really exciting inside.

There was never going to be a trial so why not show us the original guns? Why not show us the serial numbers, the gun registration documents?? Why not show us where these two cretins, mother and demented son, shot their many rifles and handguns. What range? Where? Run by whom? The records? Where did he or she purchase their ammunition from? What store? On-line? Local? No one remembers them????????

Aw, what's the use. This was NEVER about GUN CONTROL,....this was always about CITIZEN CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 posted on 02/22/2013 7:48:44 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Doc Savage

When I watched the news reports as the camera crew was supposedly in front of the school, you could see the front door and window - no broken door or window.
The first report was, he was buzzed in by the secretary because she knew the killer.
If he had all those rifles, how did she not see them?
And if he did blow out the door and window, why didn’t the kids and staff run out the back door when they heard the explosion?
I am still trying to figure out why a little girl that was supposed to be shot and killed was with obama at the memorial.
Yea, all those people at the fire house milling around are weird.


9 posted on 02/22/2013 8:23:39 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Toadman
All I hear is,”yeah but if it will spare ONE life” I respond “driving is privilege, not an inalienable right. Ban cars. Don’t allow convicted felons to drive cars. If it’ll save ONE life, it’s worth it, right?”

More than 20 women die every year from abortions. "But if it will spare ONE life..." could be used as a 'pro life' argument too. It would be lost on liberals but it would be fun to say...

10 posted on 02/22/2013 8:45:08 AM PST by GOPJ (To be free is to own one's risk - Jonathan Levy)
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To: 45semi

Cross linking to a very good post by Matt/Travis McGee:

Democide: Socialism, Tyranny, Guns and Freedom
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2990161/posts?page=1


11 posted on 02/22/2013 10:07:04 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem
"The Truth About Mass Shootings and Gun Control"

Can't read the article without paying for it, but here's the answer: the divorce/cohabitation policies and laws perpetrated over the past few decades by business, academic and government bosses. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 11:45:38 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: neverdem
"We need closed primaries to remove the RINOs!"

The default process will do better than that. It will remove all who are not conservatives--true conservatives, who don't lie while sucking on debt.


13 posted on 02/22/2013 11:56:42 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: svcw

What is disgusting to me is that I read one liberal after another saying that “after Sandy Hook, everything has changed.” But it’s not really tears for the young victims, it’s opportunism. They are basically saying that “after Sandy Hook, you are all morally obligated to roll over and give up your rights.” Why should I give up my rights? I didn’t shoot a bunch of people and I never will. I refuse to be demonized due to the actions of a few insane people on drugs.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 12:20:18 PM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Sender

You notice it did not “all change” after Columbine, a poorer area with mixed race kids or Arura movie theater a lower lever income area, or the 400+ plus black kids murdered in Chicago the last five years.......it only changed after a high income area with white kids.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 12:33:25 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: familyop; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; ...
Can't read the article without paying for it...

That's not so. Search the given text, not the title. Use quotation marks.

16 posted on 02/22/2013 1:02:25 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: familyop; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; ...
Can't read the article without paying for it...

That's not so. Search the given text, not the title. Use quotation marks.

17 posted on 02/22/2013 1:03:25 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: familyop; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; ...
Can't read the article without paying for it...

That's not so. Search the given text, not the title. Use quotation marks.

18 posted on 02/22/2013 1:04:23 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Good tip!


19 posted on 02/22/2013 1:13:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Doc Savage
Why an elementary school he and his mother had NO connection with? Why not a high school he may have attended where he could blast all those bullies that teased him??? Seems like a more satisfying target than a bunch of helpless 5 year olds.

FWIW, there was one story that he was seen that day near the high school, but that there was a guard there of some kind, so he went to the elementary school instead. Don't know if that was true or not.

In any case, he was clearly nuts, and determined to kill a lot of innocent people and make people suffer just because he could. Probably to make a name for himself before committing suicide.

20 posted on 02/22/2013 1:43:27 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Doc Savage

All good questions. We will probably never know the answers but I hope we do someday.


21 posted on 02/22/2013 1:59:01 PM PST by MarMema
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To: neverdem
"That's not so. Search the given text, not the title. Use quotation marks."

That returned a link to the two-paragraph "abstract" and the following.

"This article is available for purchase to subscribers and for individual purchase"

Commentary magazine is alright, though. I subscribed to it once a long time ago.


22 posted on 02/22/2013 3:59:16 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Doc Savage

>>Why an elementary school he and his mother had NO connection with? Why not a high school he may have attended where he could blast all those bullies that teased him???

I saw a report in the last week or so that there is a video from the high school that shows Lanza driving up to it and turning around for the elementary school. There was a cop there for some event/reason.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 4:33:20 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 02/22/2013 7:46:27 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cicero

> “In any case, he was clearly nuts, and determined to kill a lot of innocent people and make people suffer just because he could. Probably to make a name for himself before committing suicide.” <<

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He was, like ALL of the other recent mass murderers, under the influence of antidepressants that are known to cause violent thoughts. This is the core of the problem: psychology/psychiatry prescribing drugs to cure spiritual illnesses is the proximate cause of mass murder.


25 posted on 02/22/2013 8:36:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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