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Senators in Immigration Talks Mull Federal IDs for All Workers
The Wall Street Journal ^ | February 20, 2013, 7:47 p.m. ET | DANNY YADRON

Posted on 02/22/2013 6:47:59 AM PST by haffast

Key senators are exploring an immigration bill that would force every U.S. worker—citizen or not—to carry a high-tech identity card that could use fingerprints or other personal markers to prove a person's legal eligibility to work.

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But at least five of the eight senators writing the bill have backed biometric ID cards in the past. At least three of them—Sens. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), John McCain (R., Ariz.) and Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.)—have said they support requiring the cards under the new law but are open to other options, aides say.

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Mr. Graham, in an interview, said that in his mind the language refers to a requirement for biometric ID cards. "This is the public's way of contributing to solving the problem" of illegal immigration, Mr. Graham said.

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A second senator working on the bill, Jeff Flake (R., Ariz.), said in an interview he is open to the idea of biometric ID cards but that the issue remained unsettled.

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Mr. McCain's spokesman declined to discuss Senate talks on the current bill. Two other senators who have backed the ID card in the past, Mr. Schumer and Democrat Dick Durbin of Illinois, said through spokesmen that the new Senate legislation wouldn't necessarily call for a biometric card.

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The other senators writing the immigration bill are Marco Rubio (R., Fla.), Michael Bennet (D., Colo.) and Robert Menendez (D., N.J.). Spokesmen for Messrs. Rubio and Bennet declined to comment on the ID cards, while a spokeswoman for Mr. Menendez said the lawmaker has supported employee verification with antifraud measures.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; biometric; cards; durbin; graham; id; mark; mccain; rubio; schumer
"This is the public's way of contributing to solving the problem" of illegal immigration, Mr. Graham said.

There you go Lindsey, I give up some more of my privacy, freedom and taxes to contribute to solving "the problem". I think the problem is you.

When you have McCain, Graham and Schumer in the same sentence you know crap is inbound.

Your papers please....

Graham: A National I.D. Card ‘Is the Public’s Way of Contributing’
10:51 AM, Feb 21, 2013 • By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON

"The government-issued biometric cards would use fingerprints, scans of the veins on the top of a person’s hand, or other personal markers, and every American citizen would be required to produce his or her card to prove eligibility for work. The Journal writes that “privacy advocates and others” — such as those concerned with liberty — worry that such a card would eventually — and perhaps inevitably — be used to “track Americans at airports, hospitals, and through other facets of their lives.”"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/graham-national-id-card-public-s-way-contributing_703059.html

1 posted on 02/22/2013 6:48:05 AM PST by haffast
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To: haffast
Punish the innocent, reward the guilty.

It's the "Washington way."

2 posted on 02/22/2013 6:50:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Yep, making me get yet another government ID will stop illegal aliens and taking my guns will keep them out of the hands of criminals. /sarc
3 posted on 02/22/2013 6:57:00 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: haffast

The mark of the Beast?????


4 posted on 02/22/2013 7:02:21 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: haffast

Gee, why don’t they just put a mark on your hand or forehead. Maybe they could put the data in the shape of a 666.

;-)

I can’t take this seriously. However, if they actually do it, well, we will know how much time we have. Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, etc. are pretty clear about this.


5 posted on 02/22/2013 7:03:53 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: haffast

WHAT THE HELL is the point of this once the amnesty is pushed through? The 20+ million illegals will no longer be illegal!


6 posted on 02/22/2013 7:04:10 AM PST by montag813
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To: haffast

They track us with our cellphones. Is there some news value in this story?


7 posted on 02/22/2013 7:07:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: haffast

They will hand them out to illegals the second they start making them.

Anyone who thinks this will keep illegals from working has forgotten who is in charge


8 posted on 02/22/2013 7:07:07 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

stop illegal aliens?

they don’t want to do that.


9 posted on 02/22/2013 7:08:18 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: haffast

any republican with a brain could squash this instantly...insist if that any such card also be required to be used as a Voter ID.


10 posted on 02/22/2013 7:14:33 AM PST by wny
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To: haffast
every American citizen would be required to produce his or her card to prove eligibility for work.

It's already against the law for illegal aliens to work in the US. If FEDGOV is not enforcing the law now why should we believe they will enforce the law against these colonist invaders in the future.

It's like gun control laws are only used to disarm law abiding citizens. It has nothing to do with reducing crime. There are already laws against shooting people but the government refuses to enforce them. In Chicago last year, there were 1800 shootings but in a staggering 91% of the cases no charges were brought against anyone. And the conviction rate of those charge.

The entire system is rigged against decent, hard working people and it is now armed and loaded for bear.

11 posted on 02/22/2013 7:16:12 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (Republicans are to the Democrats as the Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters)
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To: haffast

Just like the government frisking little old Swedish Ladies from Minnesota on air flights instead of the Muslim bastards who started all this.

Typical Liberal Think-Emote - punish everybody so the guilty won’t feel your picking on them.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 7:20:43 AM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: haffast; All

How about “Deporting All Illegal Aliens” ?

A politician or talk show host that is not supporting 100% Deportation of all Illegal Aliens.....supports Amnesty. Plain and Simple

A national ID card is not deporting Illegal Aliens.


13 posted on 02/22/2013 7:27:00 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

One does not NEED to make this chit up.


[42 U.S.C. 666]
http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0466.htm

What you are about to read is a compilation of excerpts from section 666 of the United States Code, which is where the above stated requirements are set out. Codified laws and statutes are difficult to read in their native format. To simplify reading, paragraph and section numbering have been removed and sentences were allowed to flow together where appropriate. The following has not been embellished in any way other than the addition of a very few comments which are so indicated with [square brackets].

[The excerpts from 666 begins here. Remember, if it is not in brackets it is federal law.]

“REQUIREMENT OF STATUTORILY PRESCRIBED PROCEDURES TO IMPROVE EFFECTIVENESS OF CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT”

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0466.htm

42 USC Sec. 666 CHAPTER 7 - SOCIAL SECURITY Part D - Child Support and Establishment of Paternity. Sec. 666. Requirement of statutorily prescribed procedures to improve effectiveness of child support enforcement. Each State must enact laws requiring the use of the following “procedures” to increase the effectiveness of the [child support] program:

DNA TESTING

The State shall provide procedures which permit the establishment of the paternity of a child. In a contested paternity case [the State shall] require the child and all other parties to submit to genetic tests upon request supported by a sworn statement by the party alleging paternity, and setting forth facts establishing a reasonable possibility of the requisite sexual contact between the parties; or denying paternity, and setting forth facts establishing a reasonable possibility of the nonexistence of sexual contact between the parties. If no objection is made, the test results are admissible as evidence of paternity without the need for other proof of authenticity or accuracy. States must give full faith and credit to a determination of paternity made by any other State. The State procedures shall provide that the parties to an action to establish paternity are not entitled to a trial by jury.

GARNISHMENT OF WAGES

The State shall provide procedures for child support withholding from wages. The wages of an absent parent shall be subject to withholding, regardless of whether support payments are in arrears. The employer, upon being given notice, is required to withhold wages in the amount specified by the notice and pay such amount to the appropriate agency. The employer must be held liable to the State for any amount which the employer fails to withhold from wages due an employee following receipt of the notice. A fine [shall be] imposed against any employer who discharges from employment, refuses to employ, or takes disciplinary action against any absent parent subject to wage withholding because of the existence of such withholding and the obligations or additional obligations which it imposes upon the employer. The State may withhold from forms of income other than wages regardless of the nature of their income-producing activities. The State must extend its withholding system [to provide for withholding in] cases where the applicable support orders were issued in other States. Any refund of State income tax will be reduced by the amount of any overdue support owed by an absent parent.

CREDIT REPORTING AND SUSPENSION OF LICENSES

[The procedures must assure that] [t]he State has authority to withhold or suspend, or to restrict the use of driver’s licenses, professional and occupational licenses, and recreational licenses of individuals owing overdue support or failing, to comply with subpoenas or warrants relating to paternity or child support proceedings.

ACCESS TO RECORDS, LOCATING INDIVIDUALS, REQUIRING SSN

The State shall have procedures to ensure that all Federal and State agencies conducting activities under this part have access to any system used by the State to locate an individual for purposes relating to motor vehicles or law enforcement. The state shall have procedures requiring that the social security number of: (A) any applicant for a professional license, driver’s license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage license be recorded on the application; (B) any individual who is subject to a divorce decree, support order, or paternity determination or acknowledgment be placed in the records relating to the matter; and (C) any individual who has died be placed in the records relating to the death and be recorded on the death certificate.

FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS

[The State enforcement agency] shall enter into agreements with financial institutions doing business in the State to develop and operate a data match system using automated data exchanges in which each such financial institution is required to provide the name, address, social security number or other identifying information for each noncustodial parent who maintains an account at such institution and who owes past-due support, and will encumber or surrender, as the case may be, assets held by such institution on behalf of the parent. A financial institution shall not be liable under any Federal or State law to any person for any disclosure of information to the State agency; for encumbering or surrendering any assets [under these laws]; or for any other action taken in good faith to comply with the requirements. [This system of automated bank withdrawal or withholding will eventually be used to pay everything the State collects including: fines, taxes and any other fees, without your approval; you’ll have no more choice in the matter than the dead beat dads now have.] The State shall periodically report to consumer reporting agencies [credit bureaus] the name [and social security number] of any parent who owes overdue support. AUTOMATED DATA COLLECTION

The State shall establish an automated data collection system (linked database) to include a registry to be known as the ‘State Case Registry’ that contains records with respect to each case in which services are being provided by a State agency. Each [child] support order established or modified in the State on or after October 1, 1998, shall be included in the State Case Registry. [The information in the State Case Registries shall be] furnished to the Federal Case Registry of Child Support Orders. The State Case Registry may be established by linking local case registries of [child] support orders through an automated information network [no one will hide from this]. Such records shall use standardized data elements for both parents (such as names, social security numbers and other uniform identification numbers, dates of birth, and case identification numbers), and other information as the Secretary may require. The State agency operating the automated system shall establish, update, maintain, and regularly monitor, case records in the State Case Registry. The State shall use the automated system to extract information (at such times, and in such standardized format or formats, as may be required by the Secretary), to share and compare information with, and to receive information from, other databases and information comparison services, in order to obtain (or provide) information necessary to enable the State agency (or the Secretary or other State or Federal agencies) to carry out this part.

NEW HIRES DIRECTORY On and after October 1, 1997, each State shall establish an automated directory (to be known as the ‘State Directory of New Hires’) which shall contain information supplied on each newly hired employee in the State. The State will operate a State Directory of New Hires in accordance with section 453A. Each employer shall furnish to the Directory of New Hires of the State in which a newly hired employee works, a report that contains the name, address, and social security number of the employee, and the name and address of the employer [eventually, everyone who has a job will be listed in this database.

ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY

The State shall have procedures which give the State [enforcement agency] the authority to take the following actions relating to establishment of paternity or to establishment, modification, or enforcement of support orders, without the necessity of obtaining an order from any other judicial or administrative tribunal, to take the following actions: To subpoena any financial or other information needed to establish, modify, or enforce a support order, and to impose penalties for failure to respond to such a subpoena; To require all entities in the State (including for-profit, nonprofit, and governmental employers) to provide promptly, in response to a request by the State agency of that or any other State administering a program under this part, information on the employment, compensation, and benefits of any individual employed by such entity as an employee or contractor, and to sanction failure to respond to any such request; To obtain access, subject to safeguards on privacy and information security, and subject to the nonliability of entities that afford such access under this subparagraph, to information contained in the following records (including automated access, in the case of records maintained in automated data bases): (i) Records of other State and local government agencies, including vital statistics (including records of marriage, birth, and divorce); State and local tax and revenue records (including information on residence address, employer, income and assets); records concerning real and titled personal property; records of occupational and professional licenses, and records concerning the ownership and control of corporations, partnerships, and other business entities; employment security records; records of agencies administering public assistance programs; records of the motor vehicle department; and corrections records; (ii) Certain records held by private entities with respect to individuals who owe or are owed support (or against or with respect to whom a support obligation is sought), consisting of the names and addresses of such individuals and the names and addresses of the employers of such individuals, as appearing in customer records of public utilities and cable television companies, pursuant to an administrative subpoena; and. information (including information on assets and liabilities) on such individuals held by financial institutions.

REVOCATION OF PASSPORTS

If the Secretary receives a certification that an individual owes arrearages of child support in an amount exceeding $5,000, the Secretary shall transmit such certification to the Secretary of State for action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of passports, and refuse to issue a passport to such individual, and may revoke, restrict, or limit a passport issued previously to such individual.

INTERNATIONAL ENFORCEMENT

The Secretary of State, with the concurrence of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, is authorized to declare any foreign country to be a foreign reciprocating country if the foreign country has established, or undertakes to establish, procedures for the establishment and enforcement of duties of [child] support substantially in conformity with [these laws].


14 posted on 02/22/2013 7:29:16 AM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: haffast

They are doing this as a poison pill. You only need to look at the ones supporting it to know that.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 7:30:17 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: montag813

They will need IDs for those receiving amnesty so they can be distinguished from those coming illegally afterwards so they can be granted the next amnesty. When you reward something, you get more of it.


16 posted on 02/22/2013 7:38:54 AM PST by kabar
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To: rlmorel

We need somebody to add a little different flavor of “poison” by making the cards a requirement for voting, too.


17 posted on 02/22/2013 7:40:59 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: haffast

Proof that these fine men who have been elected to the Senate are really interested in improving our economy and creating jobs.

Just think how many millions will be made by those who make their money counterfeiting the ID cards.

I don’t see how this can be constitutional, as it would interfere with a person’s right to gain access to work and therefore, food, housing and the right to happiness as defined in the Declaration of Independence:

The text of the second section of the Declaration of Independence reads,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness


18 posted on 02/22/2013 7:42:57 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: haffast

Proof that these fine men who have been elected to the Senate are really interested in improving our economy and creating jobs.

Just think how many millions will be made by those who make their money counterfeiting the ID cards.

I don’t see how this can be constitutional, as it would interfere with a person’s right to gain access to work and therefore, food, housing and the right to happiness as defined in the Declaration of Independence:

The text of the second section of the Declaration of Independence reads,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness


19 posted on 02/22/2013 7:52:04 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: haffast

“And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads. And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13: 15-17


20 posted on 02/22/2013 7:56:53 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: old curmudgeon

“... counterfeiting the ID cards”

Yeah, good luck with that. Secure cards are cryptographically matched to corresponding secure database entries. The info on the card must match the info in the database via a unique, two-part key. No match = card certificate revocation and ‘bad card’ status.


21 posted on 02/22/2013 8:02:31 AM PST by Justa
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To: wny

Unfortunately, we’re talking about the GOP. The Stupid Party. The same party that agreed to the 1982 court decision to never contest Democratic voter fraud ever again.

We’re screwed(again).


22 posted on 02/22/2013 8:03:48 AM PST by princeofdarkness (The GOP is the present version of 1940 France and it will only get worse.)
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To: haffast

Make it double as a voter ID card that must be presented at the voting booth, and the dims will drop the subject.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 8:12:08 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: T-Bird45; kabar
"making the cards a requirement for voting"

That's the problem. And you have to look at the history.

First it started with the 9-11 commission but congress realized that a national ID was not politically feasible so instead Congress(led by republican James Sensenbrenner) created Real ID and the GOP passed that in 2005. Real ID means that a or all state's driver licenses must comply with Real ID. At first(2005) there was no controversy but by 2007 many libertarian minded dems and pubs had turned against Real ID plus a number of states were opposed for cost reasons. But gradually some states implemented their Real IDs.

Then the GOP figured out that in those states that had implemented Real ID, the Real ID compliant drivers liscense could be used for voter ID. And since the Real ID compliant drivers licsense is hard to get and more costly it could be used to inhibit poor people from voting in 2012.

Because the GOP did this, those dems that had previously supported Real ID turned against it.

Now the GOP is stuck and has to be the party advocating for a national ID.

24 posted on 02/22/2013 8:26:14 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: muawiyah
They track us with our cellphones. Is there some news value in this story?

You can turn your cellphone off or leave it somewhere. You may soon be unable to turn your "ID" off and function in this country.

Corporate America wants the benefit of cheap labor from these immigrants but they don't want to pay the burden of compliance and/or legal sanctions or fines government imposes upon it.

So not only are you to suffer the lowering of your standard of living due to the glut of cheap labor(supply/demand)entering this country, you are to bear the burden for the compliance of the business use of that cheap labor as well.

Add to that a justification and means for the government to be more efficient in their doling out of benefits to the masses that seems reasonable to those masses.

Add to that our worldly masters intention of managing (controlling) the useful eaters and the useless eaters.

A free man doesn't have to ask permission. We are becoming less free. That matters to me.

Immoral/amoral men need laws to prevent chaos. They cry out for a king. One is coming, but not the one they expect.

25 posted on 02/22/2013 8:32:41 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: haffast
worry that such a card would eventually — and perhaps inevitably — be used to “track Americans at airports, hospitals, and through other facets of their lives.”"

Nooooooooooo, that would never happen..../s

Lindsey Graham is a tyrannical moron. He also thinks it is just fine to leave it up to the president or some other official to kill Americans if they have some "association" with al-queida. He seems to enjoy destroying our liberties.
26 posted on 02/22/2013 8:36:49 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Ben Ficklin; kabar

Thanks for that concise summary on how we got where we are on Real ID. I’m personally very leary of any advancement on national ID for most any purpose, no matter high-minded or desirable. My general evaluation of the entire situation is one of a culture, a nation, and a government that is rapidly circling the drain and we’re just along for the ride with little hope of putting the plug back in the drain hole.


27 posted on 02/22/2013 10:33:13 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: haffast; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

28 posted on 02/22/2013 11:32:48 AM PST by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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To: haffast; Travis McGee; Chode; Squantos
Biometric National ID cards.

...Just another CWII triggering event.

29 posted on 02/22/2013 11:42:36 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: haffast

We already have ID cards to work. They are issued by the Social Security Administration.


30 posted on 02/22/2013 12:24:43 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: TADSLOS
you know it's coming...

31 posted on 02/22/2013 2:56:45 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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