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Jon Huntsman, a conservative & a Mormon, says legalizing same-sex marriage is...‘right thing to do’
MSNBC.com ^ | Feb. 21, 2013 | Traci G. Lee

Posted on 02/22/2013 11:29:21 AM PST by Colofornian

Former Utah governor and presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman is speaking out in favor of marriage equality, arguing that it is a “conservative cause” that the Republican Party should support. In an op-ed for The American Conservative, Huntsman writes about his time as governor of Utah during which he pushed for civil unions and equality for the LGBTQ community, and adds that the GOP now has the opportunity to do more.

“Conservatives should start to lead again and push their states to join the nine others that allow all their citizens to marry,” Huntsman writes...

Huntsman’s pro-marriage equality stance is not only a symbolic step forward for conservatives, but for Mormons as well. “Over the last several years we have been seeing more and more Mormons from across the political spectrum come out in support of marriage equality,” said Spencer W. Clark, executive director of Mormons for Marriage Equality, in a recent statement. “I am thrilled that Gov. Huntsman has taken this stand and hope that it will prompt other Mormons to join us in building stronger families by ensuring that same-sex couples and their children have access to the same protection and benefits under the law that my family has.”

(Excerpt) Read more at tv.msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; huntsman; inman; lds; ldschurch; libertarians; mormon; mormonbashing; samesexmarriage
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NOTE re: headline: Exact headline as is would not fit FR character limit: Headline by MSNBC is: Jon Huntsman, a conservative and a Mormon, says legalizing same-sex marriage is the ‘right thing to do’

Hence, "and" is represented by "&" ... also the word "the" is excerpted by elipses...

Another RINO showing their true face!

From the article: “Conservatives should start to lead again and push their states to join the nine others that allow all their citizens to marry,” Huntsman writes.

Does that include group marriage (5 guys & 3 women?)? Polygamy? Polyandry (marrying others' spouses while retaining dual or multiple marriages). Is Huntsman, a Mormon, re-opening up the polygamy debate?

From the article: Huntsman’s pro-marriage equality stance is not only a symbolic step forward for conservatives, but for Mormons as well. “Over the last several years we have been seeing more and more Mormons from across the political spectrum come out in support of marriage equality,” said Spencer W. Clark, executive director of Mormons for Marriage Equality, in a recent statement.

Forward?

Since it's the "road to polygamy and polyandry," sounds regressive (as in 19th century) to me!

1 posted on 02/22/2013 11:29:28 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

So MSNBC has declared Huntsman a conservative.
I am not sure many conservatives would agree; not many on this site anyway.


2 posted on 02/22/2013 11:33:05 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Colofornian

Ahhhhhh.....the Mormons......trying to figure out why their guy didn’t get elected. OK. Start having the homosexuals marry in the temple.


3 posted on 02/22/2013 11:33:13 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Colofornian

That whacky The Onion’s got nothin’ on PMSNBC!


4 posted on 02/22/2013 11:34:32 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Maine Mariner

He is NOT a conservative. Anyone who suggests he is has no idea what it means to be conservative.


5 posted on 02/22/2013 11:36:51 AM PST by Essie
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To: Colofornian

Jon Huntsman, if nominated, will not get my vote. Period.


6 posted on 02/22/2013 11:38:06 AM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: Colofornian
"Jon Huntsman, a conservative & a Mormon, says legalizing same-sex marriage is...‘right thing to do’......"

Jon Huntsman wouldn't recognize a conservative if he bumped his head on one.

I'm not qualified to say whether or not he is a genuine Mormon, or just one for political purposes.

7 posted on 02/22/2013 11:38:27 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Colofornian

Jon Huntsman, a conservative ....

These morons a PMSNBC think that anyone to the right of Jane Fonda is a conservative.

But if Huntsman was a true conservative they would have labeled him a right wing extremist. Using the plain term conservative means Huntsman sits somewhere between Jane Fonda and Richard Lugar politically.

Huntsman is just the latest poster boy to push the liberal agenda.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 11:40:03 AM PST by CoastWatcher
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To: Colofornian

“Conservative?”

Oh, please... Jon Huntsman is many things (mostly bad), but a “conservative?”


9 posted on 02/22/2013 11:40:57 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Colofornian

Is “the closet” getting too crowded?

Another “conservative” getting ready to “come out”?

idiots.


10 posted on 02/22/2013 11:41:32 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Colofornian
Your THREE MINUTES' HATE contribution for the day ?

And PMSNBC for a source ?

I must admit it's salacious & derogatory enough for your standard anti-Mormon spew, but perhaps a lesser-known "source" would serve your aims better.

11 posted on 02/22/2013 11:41:44 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Colofornian

Get back in the closet Jonny Boy.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 11:41:44 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: Colofornian
What an example of irrelevance; NBC calling Jon Hunstman a conservative! LOL!
13 posted on 02/22/2013 11:44:41 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Colofornian

Huntsman is a Democrat Party mole.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 11:45:07 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Pimping for 2016, but his Daughter is still HOT!


15 posted on 02/22/2013 11:46:19 AM PST by DAC21
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To: Colofornian

Wrong. Same sex marriage is the Left’s ticket to persecuting and neutering the message and mission of what is left of the church.


16 posted on 02/22/2013 11:46:46 AM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: kenmcg

He is on the board of Caterpillar and helped them loose a lot of money in a stupid investment in China. His expert advice sure helped the a lot..lost $500 or there abouts.


17 posted on 02/22/2013 11:46:52 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Colofornian

I’m SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I SAY!

I first saw that little wimp in the primary races last year and was NOT DEFINITELY IMPRESSED with is feminine demeanor.

I told everyone in the room that that SOB was a queer. The more I saw him, the more I was absolutely certain.

Now, he proves to the whole world that he is a stealth queer.


18 posted on 02/22/2013 11:47:25 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: blueunicorn6

Nah you missed the point. They don’t mind if Gentile homos marry. They just don’t want them to marry in their Temple.


19 posted on 02/22/2013 11:47:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ejonesie22; Elsie
ping to related thread. Prognostication worthy of Carnac ....

Why Mormonism will Surrender to Homosexuality


20 posted on 02/22/2013 11:50:53 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Colofornian

What is marriage? If it is a legal contract for the purposes of hospital visitation, wills, etc. then go for it. If it is still a man and woman becoming one and all that that entails, then no.


21 posted on 02/22/2013 11:51:18 AM PST by liege
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To: Colofornian

Huntsman is NOT a conservative, he has never been one.


22 posted on 02/22/2013 11:52:33 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colofornian
Barrack Obama, a conservative, says that...

Bill Ayers, a conservative, says that..

Saying it doesn't make it so.

23 posted on 02/22/2013 11:52:33 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Colofornian

Then maybe we can legalize marriage between man and dog and woman and cat and horse and.....


24 posted on 02/22/2013 11:53:14 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Colofornian
He's from Utah, and a Mormon. What about polygamy? Shouldn't he be more concerned about that? (I'd like to know why the polygamists aren't demanding their rights, too. Every other freakish group is).

presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman is speaking out in favor of marriage equality

Which is why this homo lover didn't stand a chance. No normal person would even consider voting for this creep.

25 posted on 02/22/2013 11:56:32 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Colofornian

Huntsman is a “conservative” like Obama is a champion skeet shooter, Biden is a home defense expert and Helen Thomas is a beauty queen.


26 posted on 02/22/2013 11:59:28 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: DH
I first saw that little wimp in the primary races last year and was NOT DEFINITELY IMPRESSED with is feminine demeanor.
I told everyone in the room that that SOB was a queer. The more I saw him, the more I was absolutely certain.
Now, he proves to the whole world that he is a stealth queer.

Yep. Which is why so many people were turned off by him. Ewwwww!
(Oboma tried to hide his for awhile. I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of obomas feminine side now that he can'r run again.)

27 posted on 02/22/2013 12:00:24 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Colofornian
"Jon Huntsman, a conservative"

Not really.
28 posted on 02/22/2013 12:03:34 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Colofornian

Colofornian ... so what’s your point? That all Mormons are not in lock step with thier church teachings? Are your church’s members?

Why is this news?t

I swear you have the ability to turn a story a dog crossing a road in Utah into LDS Smear inuendo.

Your almost as good as Obama at this smear/inuendo stuff


29 posted on 02/22/2013 12:09:19 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: Colofornian

Colofornian ... so what’s your point? That all Mormons are not in lock step with thier church teachings? Are your church’s members?

Why is this news?t

I swear you have the ability to turn a story a dog crossing a road in Utah into LDS Smear inuendo.

Your almost as good as Obama at this smear/inuendo stuff


30 posted on 02/22/2013 12:09:39 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: liege
Exactly. The government has show itself no longer capable of defining marriage, at least at the federal level and the handful of states which have declared it such.

Get government out of the marriage business completely and leave it to the churches. The government can concentrate on defining civil unions or whatever other pseudonym they wish to apply to it.

31 posted on 02/22/2013 12:09:46 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Colofornian
Jon Huntsman, a conservative & a Mormon, says legalizing same-sex marriage is...‘right thing to do’

FIFY.

32 posted on 02/22/2013 12:12:24 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colofornian
Jon Huntsman, a LIBERTARIAN conservative and a MORON Mormon . . . .

Fixed it.

33 posted on 02/22/2013 12:15:28 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Colofornian

“Conservatives should start to lead again and push their states to join the nine others that allow all their citizens to marry,” Huntsman writes...
_____________________________

All citizens in the United States are already “allowed” to marry. /s


34 posted on 02/22/2013 12:18:51 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Vigilanteman

That bird has flown most likely, the state is never giving up the institution at this point, for two simple reasons. One, it provides massive control of the culture. Two, the statists, leftists, and homosexualists need a way to punish those who will never buy into whatever impossibility the state decides to call marriage at the time, and they don’t have a way to do that without the state involved.

Pope Leo XIII warned about the danger of the state’s involvement 130 years ago.

Freegards


35 posted on 02/22/2013 12:22:09 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Colofornian
Anyone who approves of legalizing same sex marriage is not a conservative. That flies directly in the face of what it means to be a conservative...."preserving important values, procedures, etc."

Same sex marriage makes our culture more deadly for our posterity, it unnecessarily increases costs for absolutely no good reason, and, given heterosexual fertility, it deprives children of their right to be raised by their father and their mother.

36 posted on 02/22/2013 12:23:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: teppe
Why is this news?

(Why don't you take the time to ask MSNBC -- and the dozens of OTHER media outlets who will be picking up this story?)

Perhaps it hasn't something to do, Teppe, with the reality that we know of only ONE GoP presidential candidate who has now advocated for the overhaul of one-man, one-woman marriage...and that's Jon Huntsman, a Mormon.

Oh...hold it...allow me to refine that a bit...Huntsman might be the FIRST GoP candidate to attack one-man, one-woman marriage, but he is the SECOND Mormon to attack one-man, one-woman marriage...'cause in 1844...Joseph Smith the polygamist was a self-proclaimed candidate for POTUS!

37 posted on 02/22/2013 12:24:10 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Vigilanteman; liege; All
Get government out of the marriage business completely and leave it to the churches.

#1...IF EVERY relationship can be deemed a "marriage" -- then NOTHING is "marriage."

What? Siblings can marry, Vig? Pets? Group marriage? Why let "govt" restrict the # of partners, Vig? Govt shouldn't set any standards for age restrictions? Any child can "marry" oh libertarian one? And a harem? Polygamy now brought back, eh Vig?

#2...As long as a govt proposed huge safety nets for broken families [this week a PA paper researched a mom of two who earned $19,000 a year and determined she has access to about $82,000 of govt funding each year in terms of cash, staples & services]...then govt has an obligation to reinforce healthy families.

If govt would 100% stop footing the bill for broken families, then at least this secondary argument wouldn't apply. But it does apply precisely because of how we taxpayers foot MOST of the bill for experimental relationships.

38 posted on 02/22/2013 12:30:49 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

In whose mind is that assclown a conservative? There is a reason he bailed out of the Republican primary contest. For God’s sake, he served Obama...no one in their right mind thinks Jon Huntsman is a conservative. No one.


39 posted on 02/22/2013 12:36:44 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Vigilanteman
Get government out of the marriage business completely and leave it to the churches.

Yes, especially since the churches have proven themselves so adept at enforcing the child support and property settlement arrangements incidental to divorce. In particular, churches have been singularly instrumental in safeguarding the rights of the parties (including the children) in marriages where one or more of the parties is not a member of a church. (Insert "rolleyes" smiley here to denote abject puzzlement.)
40 posted on 02/22/2013 12:53:24 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Maine Mariner

Jon Huntsman is o conservative. Didn’t he also support illegal aliens?


41 posted on 02/22/2013 12:55:50 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: jersey117
Then maybe we can legalize marriage between man and dog and woman and cat and horse and.....

I've been thinking of marrying my car, if my wife doesn't object. We could use the deduction.

42 posted on 02/22/2013 1:00:01 PM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Colofornian

In Jon Huntsman, Jr.’s case, you need to strike out the second “m” in “Mormon” to correct the title.


43 posted on 02/22/2013 1:02:55 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: teppe; Colofornian
I swear you have the ability to turn a story a dog crossing a road in Utah into LDS Smear inuendo.

I'll swear right along with you. Undoubtedly he'd (?) find some obscure source quoting Joseph Smith from 1845 that the dog was polygamous as well.

44 posted on 02/22/2013 1:05:12 PM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Maine Mariner
Huntsman is no conservative. He is using his celebrity to speak for the Mormon church. No thanks. When I hear those words from the sitting prophet, I will take them as official church policy. What has Thomas Monson said about the issue?
45 posted on 02/22/2013 1:08:33 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Maine Mariner
"So MSNBC has declared Huntsman a conservative."

He's a Republican, so of course he's not a conservative. The last known conservative in the Party was Duncan Hunter. all others have promised to hire more government teachers or had a record of such, more funding for feminist causes, etc.


46 posted on 02/22/2013 1:39:04 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Colofornian
Jon Huntsman, a conservative & a Mormon and a Presidential wannabe; too!

YAML

47 posted on 02/22/2013 1:42:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: familyop

I am beginning to think you are right.
I saw that in my home town of Fargo, ND Country Club “conservative Republicans wanted government spending for their benefit; the taxpayers be darned.


48 posted on 02/22/2013 1:43:47 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: blueunicorn6
Ahhhhhh.....the Mormons......trying to figure out why their guy didn’t get elected. OK. Start having the homosexuals marry in the temple.



Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

November 8, 2012

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!
 
I must apologize and ask for forgiveness from you all.
 
As you know, we at Headquarters NEVER tell you pew warmers how to vote. It says so right in our press releases. Anyway, we were ALL thrilled to the max when there were two – TWO! – MORMONs being touted in the primaries: Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman.
 
Talk in our upper chambers high above SLC was how our gods were favoring us with these men; who had prepared their entire lives for an opportunity to save this Nation; which so badly needs guidance: OUR guidance even! So naturally, I and the other twelve analyzed and discussed the situation.
 
Consensus was that the voters should listen to the inner urging and vote for the one they wanted; but that seemed to be leaving WAY too much to chance.
 
I decided, that since I am the ONLY man on earth that can hear GOD’s voice, that I would pray for wisdom and clarity in the matter.
 
I hadn’t used the fleece in a while, so I questioned GOD with a test. A paper, with Romney on one side and Huntsman on the other was to be placed by the air conditioning vent high above my desk in the sumptuous office the Full Tithers have provided.
When the air would kick in later in the evening, while I was home, the paper would be blown down and whomever GOD wanted would then be visible on the upper surface.
 
As you can probably guess, when I came in the next day, the paper had landed on my desk, with Mitt’s name on top.
Last night, I was staying late, praying to GOD about how it was even possible that Mitt lost, when the janitorial cleaning crew came in. Being surprised to find me here, they apologized for interrupting me. I said to them, “It mattereth not, as I was about to leave anyway.”
 
As I was going out the door, the foreman of the crew just happened to mention that my office is ALWAYS so neat and tiny, never anything out of place, that they barely have to do anything to tidy up. Then one of the sweepers said, “Except that time in the spring when we came in to clean and found a paper with Huntman’s name on the floor by your desk. We put it back on your desk and left.
 
 
Tommy M.
 
PS Keep praying that Huntsman will add an “H” to his name. Jon looks so dang effeminate!
 
Onward to 2016!!!

49 posted on 02/22/2013 1:43:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jjotto
That whacky The Onion’s got nothin’ on PMSNBC!

Speaking of wacky...







"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




50 posted on 02/22/2013 1:45:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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