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To: liege
Exactly. The government has show itself no longer capable of defining marriage, at least at the federal level and the handful of states which have declared it such.

Get government out of the marriage business completely and leave it to the churches. The government can concentrate on defining civil unions or whatever other pseudonym they wish to apply to it.

31 posted on 02/22/2013 12:09:46 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

That bird has flown most likely, the state is never giving up the institution at this point, for two simple reasons. One, it provides massive control of the culture. Two, the statists, leftists, and homosexualists need a way to punish those who will never buy into whatever impossibility the state decides to call marriage at the time, and they don’t have a way to do that without the state involved.

Pope Leo XIII warned about the danger of the state’s involvement 130 years ago.

Freegards


35 posted on 02/22/2013 12:22:09 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Vigilanteman; liege; All
Get government out of the marriage business completely and leave it to the churches.

#1...IF EVERY relationship can be deemed a "marriage" -- then NOTHING is "marriage."

What? Siblings can marry, Vig? Pets? Group marriage? Why let "govt" restrict the # of partners, Vig? Govt shouldn't set any standards for age restrictions? Any child can "marry" oh libertarian one? And a harem? Polygamy now brought back, eh Vig?

#2...As long as a govt proposed huge safety nets for broken families [this week a PA paper researched a mom of two who earned $19,000 a year and determined she has access to about $82,000 of govt funding each year in terms of cash, staples & services]...then govt has an obligation to reinforce healthy families.

If govt would 100% stop footing the bill for broken families, then at least this secondary argument wouldn't apply. But it does apply precisely because of how we taxpayers foot MOST of the bill for experimental relationships.

38 posted on 02/22/2013 12:30:49 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Vigilanteman
Get government out of the marriage business completely and leave it to the churches.

Yes, especially since the churches have proven themselves so adept at enforcing the child support and property settlement arrangements incidental to divorce. In particular, churches have been singularly instrumental in safeguarding the rights of the parties (including the children) in marriages where one or more of the parties is not a member of a church. (Insert "rolleyes" smiley here to denote abject puzzlement.)
40 posted on 02/22/2013 12:53:24 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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