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Update On Lily The Slain Border Collie (Shot and Killed by Cops)
Fort Worth Weekly ^ | 2-20-13

Posted on 02/22/2013 2:46:11 PM PST by Arthurio

This week’s Static discusses the police shooting of Lily the border collie, and the training program and potential legislation that were prompted by that tragedy.

Mark and Cindy Boling weren’t available for comment last night as Static was being written, but I spoke at length with Cindy Boling this morning and she remains upbeat despite all she’s been through.

Imagine unloading groceries at your house and a police officer approaches you on your property. He’s responding to a routine copper theft call but ends up at the wrong address — yours.

Your dog (who is like a child to you) barks at the officer, who pulls his gun and shoots your pet in the back. Then you watch it bleed to death.

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KEYWORDS: bordercollie; dog; donutwatch; fortworth
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1 posted on 02/22/2013 2:46:17 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Sqt. (Mr. Ed) Schultz shot and killed his own dog.


2 posted on 02/22/2013 2:48:23 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Arthurio

How do these psychopaths get badges let alone keep them?


3 posted on 02/22/2013 2:49:09 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Arthurio

Officer Jack Boots would have been carried from my property in a bag. With a bit of luck, I could have beaten him to the draw.


4 posted on 02/22/2013 2:53:01 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: RC one

They get them because they are willing to enforce any law, no matter how unconstitutional. Just like a proper jack booted thug.


5 posted on 02/22/2013 2:53:17 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: RC one

And people wonder why I do not want to have anything to do with cops.


6 posted on 02/22/2013 2:53:42 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: RC one

Steroids plus a jack-boot mentality.


7 posted on 02/22/2013 2:53:42 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: RC one

Long ago the cops primary goal was go home alive. Now it is to go home without a scratch and they are trained to kill anything that threatens that goal.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 2:55:08 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Arthurio

This is really sad and unnecessary. I know that a lot of cops are trained to act for their own safety and they consider every dog hostile, but they should have better judgment. I have 4 dogs that bark like crazy when anyone comes to the house, but they wouldn’t hurt anyone and I could never forgive someone for shooting at them.


9 posted on 02/22/2013 2:57:34 PM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Arthurio
We mourn them and they mourn us. This photo was taken on the day of Patton's death

 photo pattonsdogonPattonsdayofdeath.jpeg

10 posted on 02/22/2013 3:01:46 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Arthurio
He’s responding to a routine copper theft call but ends up at the wrong address — yours.

Only the police and military can be trusted with guns.

11 posted on 02/22/2013 3:14:48 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: RC one

This was over a scrap metal theft and the cop wasn’t even at the right address. If they’re afraid of the dog then they should stay off the property. Get a warrant, too.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 3:18:14 PM PST by virgil
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To: Sender

The organizations actions to do other than the standard “Justified” really counts here.


13 posted on 02/22/2013 3:18:31 PM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44)
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To: Arthurio

Looks like a killer to me.

The irony is that you get a felony if you shoot the cop’s dog, and it’s treated just like you shot a human cop. But when he shoots your dog, he’s out $20 if he’s found to be in the wrong (big “IF”, titanic “IF”). I court, it’s treated just like he broke your vase from Pier 1.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 3:22:01 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Arthurio

“(who is like a child to you)”

Yep. Dog shouldn’t have been shot. Yep, the officer needs to be punished.

Nope, your dog is not like a child to you. I’ve buried a dog and I’ve buried a child. Not the same.

Prosecute the perpetrator for shooting a DOG. Leave the hyperbole.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 3:22:12 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Arthurio

There was a situation last August, I believe in the Pittsburg area, where a cop demanded access to a private citizens property. That citizen asked if the cop had a warrant and when he was told ‘no’, refused to allow him access to the property.

The cop called his chief who told him to kill the barking dog on the property. The cop, I believe, killed the dog and the citizen then killed the cop with a 12 gauge blast to the chest.

I believe we will start to see more reactions like this to dog-killing cops.


16 posted on 02/22/2013 3:23:46 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: Arthurio

Sad.....RIP little fella over the Rainbow Bridge ):


17 posted on 02/22/2013 3:24:36 PM PST by 1217Chic
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To: Arthurio

Good for the Police Chief to institute a training program on how to deal with animals. At least something positive came out of this sad story.


18 posted on 02/22/2013 3:26:23 PM PST by Girlene
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To: x1stcav

George Hitcho - he’s in jail now.


19 posted on 02/22/2013 2:45:27 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Arthurio

Family dog shot by police on Christmas Eve.

Another one where the police trespassed on private party, (the wrong house) and killed the family dog.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/26/hazel-crest-cops-shoot-kill-dog-during-search-for-fugitive/


20 posted on 02/22/2013 2:46:43 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

You are correct. No risk is acceptable now.


21 posted on 02/22/2013 2:52:06 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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If a cop shows up on your property, do not speak to him or her and be prepared to kill him or her before he or she takes a notion to kill your dog(s), which will be the first thing they do before they jack you up for any or no reason - including being at the wrong address.


22 posted on 02/22/2013 2:58:59 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: jospehm20
And people wonder why I do not want to have anything to do with cops.

That sentiment is shared here. Being as that I live in a very rural area and my dogs live inside all the time, such an event is very unlikely for me. But, things don't always work out as planned. I can only say that any cop that shoots either of my dogs is dead meat then and there.

23 posted on 02/22/2013 4:17:25 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: jospehm20

today’s cops are not your friends. not how they are trained. they are not peace officers. they are thugs.


24 posted on 02/22/2013 4:45:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Arthurio

1. Dog not on a leash or chain?

2. Dog running free, even in own yard bordered by public sidewalk?

3. No fence?

4. No warning sign of protection by dog?

4. Dog not under owner’s voice control (untrained to obey)?

5. Dog rushing and barking at “invader” of property?

If the above, the policeman may have reason to defend himself, whether or not the address is a wrong one. The owner is at at least as much at fault as the officer. Collies protectively bark while herding, and their nature needs to be taken into account by the owner, not depending on the judgment of a visitor.


25 posted on 02/22/2013 4:53:12 PM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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26 posted on 02/22/2013 4:56:00 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Arthurio

A Border Collie?
They don’t even make the ‘Bad Dog’ Home Owners Insurance list

What’s next - shooting Cats
(We own a Border Collie and a Cat, if you knew them you’d stay away from the cat)


27 posted on 02/22/2013 5:10:49 PM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: x1stcav
There was a situation last August, I believe in the Pittsburg area, where a cop demanded access to a private citizens property. That citizen asked if the cop had a warrant and when he was told ‘no’, refused to allow him access to the property.

The cop called his chief who told him to kill the barking dog on the property. The cop, I believe, killed the dog and the citizen then killed the cop with a 12 gauge blast to the chest.

Awesome. Thug needed killing.

If you happen to know where a news article is about this, let me know. I'll search around as well.

28 posted on 02/22/2013 5:22:45 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Arthurio

OMG, what is wrong with these scum?


29 posted on 02/22/2013 5:54:08 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: RC one

They apply, pass a physical and psychological test- he he he- and get the job through connections.

Years ago my dad wanted a job as a cop. He was told all he had to do was leave a large sum of money in an empty room in the townhall and then he would be hired.

De decided he didn’t want to work for a bunch of crooks.

A fish rots from the head.


30 posted on 02/22/2013 7:21:27 PM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: Arthurio

ANy cop doing that to one of my dogs wouldn’t leave alive.


31 posted on 02/22/2013 7:23:50 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: libertarian27

If that cat barks like the one in this video you bet they’ll shoot him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3gzee1cps


32 posted on 02/22/2013 7:34:25 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: cizinec

Agreed. So sorry for your great loss.


33 posted on 02/22/2013 8:06:06 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: zeugma

I think I saw it on FR. You could probably search it.


34 posted on 02/22/2013 8:39:17 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: Paladin2

Of course he’s in jail now.

But, I think he did the correct thing.

Does the Chief still have his job?

Then, again, I never saw another report other than the first and the one thing I’ve come to realize is never to rely on the first reports from any media.


35 posted on 02/22/2013 8:42:48 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: libertarian27
Wonder when they'll be coming for our newest addition. Being deaf, she'll never hear the shot...


36 posted on 02/22/2013 8:55:09 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: imardmd1

You just forgot the /sarc tag right?


37 posted on 02/22/2013 8:59:30 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: imardmd1

Many of these cop-kills-dog incidents are in the enclosed, fenced BACK yards of citizens.

That you are reaching for excuses for the thuggish behaviour of MANY cops tells me you haven’t had an unpleasant experience with your local constabulary yet.

You will. Guaranteed.

The cops have become disconnected from the communities they serve, and suffer a bunker mentality now. We are not their fellow citizens, we are subject to their every whim.

This kind of activity will not end well for either party.


38 posted on 02/22/2013 8:59:40 PM PST by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: Arthurio

My work takes me to ranches. Hundreds of them. They all have 2-10 dogs of various breeds and sizes, mostly cow dogs but also others. They usually bark at me but I speak dog and put them at ease and I have been nipped exactly once in 12 years and never felt threatened.


39 posted on 02/22/2013 9:13:19 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Mr Rogers
Awwwww
She's a cutie :)
Looks to be a Short hair- like my guy.

40 posted on 02/22/2013 9:54:09 PM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: cizinec

Dogs owned by private citizens are mere dogs.

Dogs owned by government employees with shiny badges are *people*.


41 posted on 02/22/2013 11:02:53 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Don W
Many of these cop-kills-dog incidents are in the enclosed, fenced BACK yards of citizens.

I was talking about the owner's involvement, and what I said stands. Police have no business in fenced back yards without a probable cause or a warrant. Don't drag in a factor that is was not an issue here.

That you are reaching for excuses for the thuggish behaviour of MANY cops tells me you haven’t had an unpleasant experience with your local constabulary yet.

You will. Guaranteed.

I have had experiences with both courteously professional and thuggish behavior with state and county police. It all depends on the attitude of the policeman.

Don't pull this "my dog is a good dog" BS on me. Some dogs are good and some dogs are bad, just as lawmen can be. Some owners are poor owners, not willing to train or manage their dogs. Your attitude bespeaks of being a poor owner, not willing to be accountable for those factors which fall on your back, not on the lawman or the dog.

I am not a lawman, and going out for a walk or jog I do not intend to put up with an attack by a loose untrained ill-tempered dog. I have been bitten. A border collie can do just as much damage as a pinscher, and I won't put up with it any more than I will stand to be attacked without cause by another human. Neither do I expect a law officer to.

Guaranteed.

42 posted on 02/22/2013 11:56:41 PM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: jospehm20

There is a modern truism that I learned here at FR that applies:

Few situations are so bad they cannot be made worse by the addition of a cop.


43 posted on 02/23/2013 3:09:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: zeugma
Man's name is George Hitcho, Jr.

He's currently on death row.

George Hitcho Jr. sentenced to death for murder of Freemansburg police officer Robert Lasso

Absolutely ZERO mention of precipitating events. They just paint this guy as a psychopath and state that law enforcement is the "only barrier" between chaos and order. As such, law enforcement is allowed to make their own rules, I suppose?

There was a fine line between law enforcement and peace officer, and it was breached decades ago.

44 posted on 02/23/2013 4:43:18 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: imardmd1

A random dog out sniffing around or “hunting” near a jogging path or public space, I’ll give you some leeway on protecting yourself against it. No owner in sight means the owner is irresponsible, the dog escaped, or it’s a stray. The first two aren’t the dog’s fault, the latter could mean anything.

That being said, put yourself in the shoes of the woman in this story. She’s on her private property, she’s unloading groceries from the back of her car. She’s approached by a stranger with a badge. The dog’s very first instinct, even in the best obedience-trained border collie, is to warn. In herding animals, the bark usually loud and very startling if not expected.

The cop, likely startled by the bark, and likely in a fit of rage, pulls his gun and shoots the dog in the back.

Private property, no warrant, owner is not offering any sort of threat or instructing the dog to attack, defend, or retreat. The LEO’s job is to assess a situation for threats, and in this situation, he did an abysmally poor job at that.

This is a situation of an officer mishandling, misreading, and poorly maintaining his composure in a situation that warranted professionalism.

I have scars from wrist to shoulder on my right arm from where a doberman attacked me as a teen. I’ll never forget that day or that dog. All of the signs were there that the dog was threatened by me, and I didn’t read them. I didn’t want to kill the dog or have it put down, it was my fault for misreading the situation. That was a doberman. A border collie, a dog I happen to own, is no more a threat than a chihuahua.

This cop was in the wrong, period.


45 posted on 02/23/2013 4:57:23 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: x1stcav

Pittsburgh, PA?


46 posted on 02/23/2013 5:04:07 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: libertarian27

LOL cats don’t take shit from anyone.....they can also bite your hand down to the bone....much worse than a dog bite...can end up with a bone infection...had the experience with a feral cat living in my garage...Finally caught it but forgot the leather gloves...by the time I got him to the pound, my had had swelled up and got a call from the health department to see a doctor within 72 hours. They kept the cat for 10s and being sickly sent the head to the department in charge of rabies possibilities. He wouldn’t let go of my hand until I got the box open and threw him in it.....


47 posted on 02/23/2013 5:27:01 AM PST by goat granny
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To: libertarian27

What a darling! Looks like a natural photobomber too. :)


48 posted on 02/23/2013 5:35:22 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: rarestia
This is a situation of an officer mishandling, misreading, and poorly maintaining his composure in a situation that warranted professionalism.

Apparently you must be told that you were not there, you did not witness the event. You have made a series of unwarranted assumptions, then converted them to "fact." You therefore have no basis for your opinion. You just proved you are not an impartial reader. Your opinion on this event is so biased that it is less than worthless.

This is not being said to offend you, it is just a statement of fact. You may acknowledge that or be offended. That decision is up to you.

Not only is your assessment of this event invalid, but you have wrongly convinced yourself in another situation that it was your fault that a dog attacked you. On the one hand, the mere fact that the owner knew that the dog had the dangerous propensity to cause harm, such as by biting, makes him/her strictly liable for its action, whether or not he/she could also be proven negligent. On the other hand, if it was a stray and had a propensity of biting, you may have been negligent in approaching it, but the dog was at fault for the biting, not you. This is not opinion, it is law in this state.

In either case it should be put down, immediately, in my opinion, whether it is a Rottweiler, collie, or chihuahua.

49 posted on 02/23/2013 6:55:35 AM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: HomeAtLast

He is a beautiful dog.

As to photobombing - our last dog was a smiler - so goofy with showing his pearly whites. (no pictures for online) People were afraid of him because he looked dangerous....actually he was very protective and was dangerous if he sensed danger or someone didn’t like him:) But, if he approached someone that was afraid of dogs, he would greet them overly calmly, he knew.

Our house Insurance premiums were up because of him.
The post office, FedX, UPS - all of them - had ‘bad dog’ as a reference to our house. The delivery people that knew his smile- would play with him :)

We made sure every cop we knew, knew our dog - because he looked mean. Thank goodness we are friends with many police in our town.


50 posted on 02/23/2013 7:26:01 AM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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