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The Case for a Higher Gasoline Tax (NYSlimes)
NY Times ^

Posted on 02/22/2013 3:25:08 PM PST by matt04

THE average price of gasoline in the United States, $3.78 on Thursday, has been steadily climbing for more than a month and is approaching the three previous post-recession peaks, in May 2011 and in April and September of last year.

But if our goal is to get Americans to drive less and use more fuel-efficient vehicles, and to reduce air pollution and the emission of greenhouse gases, gas prices need to be even higher. The current federal gasoline tax, 18.4 cents a gallon, has been essentially stable since 1993; in inflation-adjusted terms, it’s fallen by 40 percent since then.

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Greater efficiency packs less of a psychological punch because consumers pay more only when they buy a new car. In contrast, motorists are reminded regularly of the price at the pump. But the new fuel-efficiency standards are far less efficient than raising gasoline prices.

In a paper published online this week in the journal Energy Economics, I and other scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology estimate that the new standards will cost the economy on the whole — for the same reduction in gas use — at least six times more than a federal gas tax of roughly 45 cents per dollar of gasoline. That is because a gas tax provides immediate, direct incentives for drivers to reduce gasoline use, while the efficiency standards must squeeze the reduction out of new vehicles only. The new standards also encourage more driving, not less.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fishwrapofrecord; mit; nyslimes; nytimes

Shoud I thank them for the higher prices on goods or the less disposable income I have? I can't decide.

1 posted on 02/22/2013 3:25:14 PM PST by matt04
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To: matt04

If the NY Times is for it, you know its bad


2 posted on 02/22/2013 2:42:50 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: matt04

I did not realize it was the Gov’s job to tell me what type of vehicle I drive and how much I should drive.

I thought I had the right to pursue my own happiness and drive whenever and wherever I want to at MY DISCRETION.

It is the Gov’s job to ensure a stabile economy so maybe we should lower gas prices and develop more economic activity!


3 posted on 02/22/2013 2:42:50 PM PST by neverbluffer
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To: matt04
The current federal gasoline tax, 18.4 cents a gallon,

The real tax kicker comes in US state taxes; which hover in the 40 to 60 cents per gallon range.

4 posted on 02/22/2013 2:45:42 PM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: matt04

I have no problem is New York staters want to raise their gasoline taxes!

Go for it!


5 posted on 02/22/2013 2:48:17 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: matt04

I have no problem is New York staters want to raise their gasoline taxes!

Go for it!


6 posted on 02/22/2013 2:48:36 PM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: matt04

There is not a problem under the sun that can not be solved with higher taxes...


7 posted on 02/22/2013 2:51:09 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: matt04

I actually had a leftie tell me that $8.00 or $9.00/gal gas was the KEY to bringing back economic prosperity! He insisted that it would restore manufacturing to the US by maiing it too expensive to ship things in from China.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 2:52:28 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (Where the heck are we going, and what are we doing in this handbasket???)
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To: matt04

“Gas tax”: the ‘fair’ tax that takes money from fuel car and truck drivers (and their customers) and spends it on mass transit riders and Prius owners- IE NYTimes employees...


9 posted on 02/22/2013 2:52:50 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: matt04

The only case that may be made for taxing energy sorces, is to create an artificially high price, and therefore scarcity, without bringing in new lower priced substitutes.

It is entirely feasible to fuel our automobile and transportation fleet here in the US with compressed natural gas, and never to refine another drop of petroleum into liquid motor fuel. But this alternative is not being offered, for perhaps a multitude of reasons. There is, first and foremost, the very real probability that a whole new code of regulations would be produced to either also tax this commodity in a manner comparable to that already laid on gasoline and Diesel fuel, or to make the extraction and distribution of natural gas prohibitively expensive.

As for the cost of conversion, and the wide distribution of the product, the economies of scale would make these both quite competitive in the current engineering sense, as the vast array of environmental controls that apply to gasoline and Diesel fuel, would not have to be nearly so stringent for compressed natural gas, and natural gas can be sent just about anywhere a pipeline can be laid. No trucks, no railroad tank cars, no massive “tank farms” for storage.


10 posted on 02/22/2013 2:56:55 PM PST by alloysteel (What is all too obvious, is not obvious to all. Until it is too late to reverse course.)
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To: Lorianne

Great idea. Pass a law that makes gas $8-9/gal ONLY in counties that voted for Obama. Let them suffer.


11 posted on 02/22/2013 3:07:10 PM PST by matt04
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To: matt04
“But if our goal is to get Americans to drive less and use more fuel-efficient vehicles, and to reduce air pollution and the emission of greenhouse gases, gas prices need to be even higher. The current federal gasoline tax, 18.4 cents a gallon, has been essentially stable since 1993; in inflation-adjusted terms, it’s fallen by 40 percent since then.”

Who is the “OUR” in all of this? Most Americans love the freedom they get from driving and I do not think they want to give up driving I know I don't. I am so sick of the NYT and the politicians and elite snobs leave us alone.

12 posted on 02/22/2013 3:20:14 PM PST by funfan
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To: matt04


13 posted on 02/22/2013 3:29:19 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: matt04

I wonder if people know they are paying mostly taxes per gallon of gas.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 3:37:04 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: matt04
But the gasoline tax is a tool of energy and transportation policy, not social policy, like the minimum wage.

What a conniving, little liar. It's all about social policy. It's all about influencing our behavior.

And isn't it interesting that libs will admit that higher gas taxes will reduce gas consumption but won't ever let it slip that a higher minimum wage will reduce the number of minimum wage jobs?

15 posted on 02/22/2013 4:04:23 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: matt04

This is TOTAL insanity.

They are so brash it isn’t even funny anymore.

We are in total tyranny.


16 posted on 02/22/2013 4:08:30 PM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore...)
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To: matt04

I’d support a higher gas tax, if it were used for HIGHWAYS.

Because the alternative is tolling, with its associated CRONY CAPITALISM, as we all learned here in Texas, the hard way.


17 posted on 02/22/2013 4:19:40 PM PST by BobL
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To: Lorianne
New York likes to lead in both the kinds of taxes and the magnitude of those taxes. It is not just enough to enact every kind of tax imaginable, it must also strive to have the highest rates in all those taxes. Anything else is just not acceptable. Trust me, I'm from Buffalo.
18 posted on 02/22/2013 4:22:55 PM PST by fhayek
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To: matt04

Using their logic we should raise a tax on newspapers.

Given their inefficiency as a conduit of information, we should raise the tax - thus encouraging the use of on-line resources, and keep raising the tax until people stop buying their news in paper form...


19 posted on 02/22/2013 4:57:06 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: matt04

$4.25/gal regular here in Southern Kalifornia yesterday-cash price 10 cents less.


20 posted on 02/22/2013 4:58:33 PM PST by Mark (For the first time in my life, I'm no longer proud of my country.)
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To: matt04
This is ironic, because the NYslimes were the ones leading the way in 2006 with all the stories bashing Bush on the high gas prices.

I wish we had those prices now.

5.56mm

21 posted on 02/22/2013 5:09:15 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: matt04

$5/gal. tax plus a 10 gal. per week ration card will solve the problem. That problem is solved, what else needs done?

Greenhouse gases? Tax’em! Ugly dogs? Tax’em! More and more, tax is the cure, don’t relax’em, tax’em!


22 posted on 02/22/2013 5:54:52 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: matt04

Leave it to the Times to push a program that will cause people to cancel their NYT subscriptions because they have less disposable income.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 5:56:52 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: GeronL

Whoever wrote this is one crazy son of a bi7ch.


24 posted on 02/22/2013 6:00:54 PM PST by Venturer
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To: matt04

http://mitei.mit.edu/education/fellowships/martin-fellows/valerie-j-karplus

the author


25 posted on 02/22/2013 6:04:20 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: matt04
But if our goal is to get Americans to drive less and use more fuel-efficient vehicles, and to reduce air pollution and the emission of greenhouse gases, gas prices need to be even higher.

Hey, Slimes creatures, what if our goal is to get from here to there at the least cost? And, being intelligent human beings, we've learned that global warming is a hoax -- so that your hyperventilation over "greenhouse gases" is utterly pointless.

That leaves you guys SOL, if I'm not mistaken.

26 posted on 02/22/2013 6:16:46 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: matt04
Exactly!

But if our goal is to get Americans to drive less and use more fuel-efficient vehicles

At what point can we no longer "drive less?" It's been years since I've just gotten into the car to take a drive. I now only drive to and from work, my shopping trips are on my way home from work, since there's a grocery store and a Walmart right on the way. The only other trips I've taken in the last 6 months have been Dr appointments. I'm not really sure how to go about "driving less."

And then there's that little fact that as energy costs increase, the cost of EVERYTHING increases, leaving us all poorer.

And as the cost of gasoline goes up, one has less money to save or disposable income to buy one of those nifty gas saving cars we keep hearing about.

I heard that when Obama was confronted with a question about high gasoline prices, his response was "drive less." Gee, must be nice to have limousines and airplanes at one's disposal, 24x7 and more than one so Angry Wookie could take the kids to CO for skiing, while Barkey went to FL, all on the taxpayers' dime. He's not out of touch, is he?

Mark

27 posted on 02/22/2013 6:24:42 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: matt04
if our goal is to get Americans to drive less

Oh, that's easy. End rent control in Manhattan. Watch all the new apartment buildings go up and people can start living near where their jobs are. C'mon NYSlimes! Advocate an end to rent control!

You know we need it. All these little condos and co-ops just aren't keeping up with demand and the population growth. We need more buildings like in the old days. You know, back when they were still profitable.

28 posted on 02/22/2013 6:38:16 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: MarkL
I'm not really sure how to go about "driving less."

In the liberal mind, "driving less" translates to everybody living in high rise apartments in Utopia City, commuting to work via public transportation.

In fact, you won't need a car at all. Your bicycle will take you to the non-profit state food & drug store half-a-mile away. And there is a park within walking distance.

Why would you need a car?

Indeed, the only people who need cars in Utopia City are with the state apparat, party members who require chauffeurs to drive them down the empty boulevards to their dachas for the weekend.

If you must drive, perhaps you can get a position as a chauffeur.

29 posted on 02/22/2013 7:02:40 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: matt04

New Jersey has about the cheapest gas in the East (the Northeast,at least).Perhaps the Slimes’ editors know of some cheap stations across the river.


30 posted on 02/22/2013 7:33:15 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
Climate policy design for personal vehicle transportation; energy-economic modeling. Reducing vehicle greenhouse gas emissions.

No bias here. Move along.

31 posted on 02/22/2013 8:58:27 PM PST by matt04
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32 posted on 02/22/2013 9:05:28 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: matt04

>”But if our goal is to get Americans to drive less and use more fuel-efficient vehicles, and to reduce air pollution and the emission of greenhouse gases, gas prices need to be even higher”<

Our Goal, who is “our”?


33 posted on 02/22/2013 9:16:09 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (When the Sheep elect a Wolf to lead them, it's time for the Sheepdogs to move to Texas.)
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