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Red-light reversal? Lawmakers push to rein in traffic cameras
Fox News.com ^ | February 22, 2013 | Barnini Chakraborty

Posted on 02/22/2013 4:17:46 PM PST by Kaslin

It's the technology that, for years, local officials embraced and drivers loathed.

Red-light cameras have steadily popped up across the country, snagging supposed scofflaws and generating untold numbers of traffic tickets. But despite the revenue boost, some state and local lawmakers are beginning to fall out of love with these electronic tattle-tales.

In Florida, a push to force the state to ditch its red-light cameras is gaining momentum in the legislature. The bill banning the recording devices comes just two years after lawmakers legalized their use on Florida streets. Last week, a House committee advanced the ban in a 10-8 vote, kicking it to the full chamber for a verdict.

Across the country, several states and cities are considering similar moves.

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1 posted on 02/22/2013 4:17:56 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Not to worry, they will be replaced by drones!


2 posted on 02/22/2013 4:29:03 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Kaslin

Traffic cameras catch a much higher percentage of violations than the old fashioned “cop behind a billboard” method. The size of fines evolved to create sufficient deterrence, given the low probability of getting caught. IOW, we (the potential offenders) would consider both the size of the fine, and the probability of getting caught, when deciding whether it’s worth while speeding, running a yellow light, or whatever. Here’s a simple formula for the deterrence effect: Low probability of being caught X high fine = high probability of being caught X lower fine.

With traffic cams, the probability of getting caught is much greater. That means that a smaller fine should create sufficient deterrence effect (especially when combined with a points system, that would result in a license suspension for multiple offenders.)

Naturally, it has never occurred to any government to lower the fines, when traffic cams are introduced. Hence the oft-heard accusation that the cameras are all part of a cash grab.


3 posted on 02/22/2013 4:45:37 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Kaslin

We survived multiple decades without cameras at traffic lights. Now Big Brother Govt wants to micro-manage us down toi every detail and punish us with fines when we jump a little too high or wide out of their box of schemes.
We should use those cameras as target practice.


4 posted on 02/22/2013 4:55:32 PM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Kaslin

Not in Connecticut:
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/investigations/Lawmakers-to-Consider-Red-Light-Cameras-Again-191746731.html
Lawmakers to Consider Red Light Cameras Again
By Chris Coffey | Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013


5 posted on 02/22/2013 5:17:06 PM PST by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: tflabo
Over the years my commuting habits regularly involved different sorts of mass transit systems followed or preceded by one or more intersection crossings.

So, no WE didn't survive without the cameras ~ you may have, but not everybody did.

The typical red-light runner acts like he doesn't even see the pedestrians.

Not see me? Harrumph ~ there's a way to fix that. When you approach an intersection pick up a small rock. All at once you are visible and the would be red-light runners end up sitting there waiting on a light change ~ and they glower at you the whole time.

Hide the rock and you are invisible; bring out the rock and you are visible.

You people run those red lights ON PURPOSE. You don't care if you kill or maim someone.

So, no sympathy on the fines, and note this, with concealed carry so common these days you really don't know how high the price of running a red light might be.

6 posted on 02/22/2013 5:23:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: vette6387
Not to worry, they will be replaced by drones!

Imagine that. A drone at every light.

But, there are more violations at corners with stop signs, so perhaps a camera at every stop sign is also warranted. But, how will the camera know that someone didn't stop? Perhaps a speed gun on a pole at each stop sign? A city or town could get all of its needed revenue from those alone.

But, what will cities and towns do to get that extra revenue when "self-driving" cars, like what Google is testing, replaces the drivers, and the cars obey all the rules of the road and stop at all traffic lights and stop signs?
7 posted on 02/22/2013 5:39:25 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Kaslin

The more corrupt the regime, the more prevalent the electronic cops. If you’re driving within the Chicago city limits (and you actually survive the trip), be aware that not only is the city overrun with red-light cameras, but that in the near future, almost 80% of the roadways will be covered by speed-monitoring cameras.

Rowan Atkinson included in one of his “Johnny English” movies a scene in which he blows away a traffic camera with a James-Bond-like automobile-mounted rocket - I wish I’d seen that bit in a movie theater to see what kind of applause it registered.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 6:08:52 PM PST by Stosh
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; tflabo; muawiyah
The resentment at red light cameras from MY local point of view isn't the cameras themselves, but reducing the yellow light time by half so as to get more "violators."
That in itself showed me that the cameras aren't about safety, but revenue. If this was not done, the companies partnering with municipalities would not make enough money off of the deal.
It's a you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours kind of deal.
9 posted on 02/22/2013 6:59:58 PM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Could be, but from the standpoint of any frequent pedestrian who has to navigate a dangerous intersection there can never be too many red lights.


10 posted on 02/22/2013 7:04:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

As the guy who drives the firetruck or periodically ambulance, I hate red light cameras.

With out them we come screaming up to an intersection and people will treat the red light like a blinking yellow light and move on when safe.

Where there is a camera they just freeze, as would I. I just wish the Einsteins that think the cameras are such great ideas would be the one who just keeled over with the heart attack...


11 posted on 02/22/2013 7:16:58 PM PST by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Clay Moore

Still better than being run down and squarshed like a bug.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 7:20:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Trouble is the majority of the tickets they make are due to people pulling the front tire over the white line.

I see plenty of rear enders where the short yellow comes on, slam on brakes and bam!

It’s all about the money.


13 posted on 02/22/2013 7:33:15 PM PST by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone who actually supports red light cameras better be lining up to have their phones tapped and allow the cops to use their house as temporary quarters.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 7:56:50 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: muawiyah

Could be, but from the standpoint of any frequent pedestrian who has to navigate a dangerous intersection there can never be too many red lights.

I can understand your viewpoint. But at a few of the intersections I have to go through that have a camera, I have never seen pedestrians. One intersection in particular is between an industrial area and a commercial area.

15 posted on 02/22/2013 8:56:45 PM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Kaslin; USFRIENDINVICTORIA; muawiyah; adorno; arderkrag; FreedomOfExpression
I live in Maryland where they have speed cameras both fixed and roving (but really obvious near schools) and I must admit I find the red light cameras the least threatening of all the fine dangers here.

The cops here are really sneaky setting up speed traps with their stealthy jet black Camaro’s with the flat lights on the roofs, and all their unmarked cars. They love dark cloudy days because they are hard to site

I never had a problem seeing the red light camera's in Maryland but now I use waze GPS/navigator on my iphone and it automatically warns me of all red light cameras, and police and traffic problems too by user input.

I also use it to report police positions hidden and visible, it asks which it is. I find that the most fun, it asks if I want to take a picture of the cop too... that is fun.

waze is free too.

16 posted on 02/22/2013 9:29:23 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: sickoflibs

It’s a high-tech hot war out there!


17 posted on 02/22/2013 10:04:42 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: sickoflibs
Funny.
At least the red light cameras in Texas have warning signs before the intersection... if you see them.
Speed cameras are outlawed here, if I'm not mistaken.
Some agencies here like to use slick top cars in speed traps.
If I had an iPhone, I'd try waze. I'll see if it is available for Android.
18 posted on 02/22/2013 10:07:43 PM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: adorno

“But, what will cities and towns do to get that extra revenue when “self-driving” cars, like what Google is testing, replaces the drivers, and the cars obey all the rules of the road and stop at all traffic lights and stop signs?”

According to some articles I’ve read, these auto-autos won’t necessarily ever have to stop. Every vehicle would communicate with all others approaching an intersection, and they would just time everything so they zip through the intersection while just missing each other. Kind of like some kind of musical ride. To me, it would be a very scary ride — I’d probably be on the floorboards hiding my eyes. Maybe, I’d get used to it after a while.


19 posted on 02/22/2013 10:13:25 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Waze is available for Android devices.


20 posted on 02/22/2013 10:19:49 PM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; Kaslin; muawiyah; adorno; arderkrag; FreedomOfExpression
RE :”It’s a high-tech hot war out there!”

Many years ago I had a casual conversation with a cop about police chases and he offered the wisdom that ‘criminals cant outrun police radios’, but now with GPS smart phones we can keep track and communicate where the police cars are.

The I-phone Trapster APP doesn't work because there are too few users.

But waze is great, its full GPS navigation app with map around your position and voice directions and voices warnings and it warns ‘red light camera ahead ...miles” by voice. It also asks you if you see the warned problem and it asks you if you want to thank the user who reported it.

It finds the surrounding gas stations and gives prices and how far they are away, its search engine links to bing to find businesses or people you want directions to. I love it.

I love turning in the sneaky cops in their cars. That is such a blast.

21 posted on 02/22/2013 10:21:05 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Here in SFL you can make a right on a red.

But there’s one corner where you can’t. Bingo, red light camera there.


22 posted on 02/22/2013 10:29:32 PM PST by bicyclerepair (Zombies Eat Brains. Half of FL is safe.)
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To: FreedomOfExpression

We got red light cameras up the wazu here and I never had a problem running yellow lights with them , or visually sighting them. I don’t run red lights anyway but certainly not them. They are big visible monsters on poles.

Of course if I am in a part of the state I am not familiar with at night then the phone comes in handy to warn me of it.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 10:30:42 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: Kaslin

Any law enforcement action that becomes a revenue enhancement for the local officials be they law enforcement or city officials is prone to become ripe for abuse.


24 posted on 02/22/2013 10:48:56 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Kaslin

If it’s REALLY about safety (and it’s not), all they’d have to do is delay the time between having the red light come on and the green light coming on in the opposite (cross) direction by about 2 seconds.

But boy, the government does lovelovelove the $$$$ those cameras bring in, nevermind the amazing amount of rear-end accidents and near accidents I’ve seen over the last year or so.

Those cameras are menaces, IMO.

Regards,


25 posted on 02/22/2013 11:24:44 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: FreedomOfExpression

If your vehicle is equipped with most any type of GPS device, go to http://www.poi-factory.com/ for a constantly updated and very accurate Red Light Camera file to download into your device. This file covers all of the U.S. and Canada and has Speed Camera locations also.


26 posted on 02/23/2013 12:56:11 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation.)
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To: TexasRedeye
Thanks! Looks like it will work on our add-on Garmin.
27 posted on 02/23/2013 8:14:01 AM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: bicyclerepair
Here in SFL you can make a right on a red.
But there’s one corner where you can’t. Bingo, red light camera there.

Figures. More $$$ that way.

28 posted on 02/23/2013 8:16:49 AM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Kaslin

I don’t particularly mind speed cameras, if used appropriately. But I hate red-light cameras. They’ve actually made my driving worse (stomping on the brakes at yellow lights, etc.).


29 posted on 02/23/2013 8:23:33 AM PST by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: VermiciousKnid
If it’s REALLY about safety (and it’s not), all they’d have to do is delay the time between having the red light come on and the green light coming on in the opposite (cross) direction by about 2 seconds.

But boy, the government does lovelovelove the $$$$ those cameras bring in,

Both points are spot on. If the cameras CAUSE accidents, how can it be about public safety?

30 posted on 02/23/2013 8:47:10 AM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
they would just time everything so they zip through the intersection while just missing each other

That's fine for cars, but, what about pedestrians? Don't they also need to have cars stop at red lights and stop signs so that they can cross the street? Also, there will be people who insist on crossing in the middle of the street.

Until roads everywhere have been redesigned so that cars never have to worry about pedestrians, the cars will need to have "intelligence" built in to account for red lights and stop signs and pedestrians.
31 posted on 02/23/2013 11:30:23 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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