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Arguing For and Against ArmaLite
Guns . Com ^ | Feb 22, 2013 | Max Slowik

Posted on 02/22/2013 4:43:24 PM PST by EXCH54FE

One of the many layers of the gun control debate is whether or not companies should treat government agencies differently than they treat the general public. A handful of companies have stood up, like LaRue Tactical, Olympic Arms, Cheaper Than Dirt and many others, saying that if they’re not allowed to sell their products on the commercial market, they will not serve local government.

This has kicked off a grass roots campaign that is calling for other companies, small and large, to follow suit. Some of the emails, naturally, come off angry and demanding, and the companies are dealing with a lot of it.

Things went sour Monday when an ArmaLite employee sent a frustrated reply to one such email. “First of all I would like to say thank you for filling my email with all this spam email … You need to convince the law enforcement agencies and the common people about their mistake in electing these officials and have them removed,” signed, Pat Raley, master armorer and sales representative.

In effect saying ArmaLite has no problems selling guns to law enforcement, government agencies and the like, no matter what the laws of the land are.

This was in stark contrast with their previous position, which was that ArmaLite would not sell to agencies what was prohibited to the people, as is the case with ArmaLite’s Chicago and California sales — that is to say, lack of sales.

Sensing danger, ArmaLite president Mark Westrom responded to the impending wave of angry calls and emails.

“I think a bit of clarification is in order.

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And why just ArmaLite? Where’s the outcry against Colt, Glock, Smith & Wesson, Springfield, Remington, Ruger and the dozens of other companies that sell to law enforcement?
1 posted on 02/22/2013 4:43:29 PM PST by EXCH54FE
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better idea would be a general boycott
against New York, and any other
states that pass anti-gun laws.

2 posted on 02/22/2013 4:55:28 PM PST by RockyTx
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ArmaLite does not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. Westrom is a former police officer, and Raley is a currently serving one. ArmaLite is well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving police officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn’t be punished for the actions of their political elite.

This tells me they just don't get it.

A goal is to have the serving police officer go to their chain of command and tell them they cannot get the tools they need to do their jobs BECAUSE OF THE STUPID LAWS YOU HAVE ENACTED!

Besides, they can't tell me that all of these departments don't already have all the weapons they need.
Witholding ammo from them, now - that'll hurt.

3 posted on 02/22/2013 4:57:05 PM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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I have an ArmaLite AR-180 I just cleaned it with Ballistol. It was made in Sterling England. Hope to take to the range in a couple of days and put a few rounds through it. I bought it in the late 80’s. The 5.56 ammo is hard to find and expensive so I will not be blasting away, just making sure it is still sighted in. Saving the rest of my ammo for when it is really needed.

4 posted on 02/22/2013 5:01:45 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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There isn't going to be an AWB any time soon and Armalite makes an excellent .308 rifle for a very reasonable price. Glad I got mine before they went into a 2 year backorder status. I would like to see them move from Illinois but that's a business decision that they will have to make for business purposes. My bottom line is that I just want them cranking out as many AR10s as possible without any obstructions.
5 posted on 02/22/2013 5:03:34 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: RC one
CMMG makes a nice .308 also and they've come out with a more civilian friendly stance than Armalite's attempt to straddle the fence response.

CMMG's response here.

I watched this brouhaha unfold this week on Arfcom. It should be required reading for any marketing/PR/communications majors - How to wreck a company and entangle your C level officers in a social media hornet's nest in less than 72 hours. It was so bad Armalite shut down and scrubbed their FB page TWICE in less 24 hours.

Disclaimer: Not in any way shape or form affiliated with CMMG. Just a good guy recognizing another group of good guys.
6 posted on 02/22/2013 5:33:36 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: grobdriver

Concur. The point is that if the citizen can’t be trusted with a weapon, then neither can the police. We are not lesser beings.

7 posted on 02/22/2013 5:39:43 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Sylvester McMonkey McBean

I can’t click the link from htis computer but I’ll check it out. I’m currently looking into a PTR HK91 clone. Heard anything bad about them?

8 posted on 02/22/2013 5:42:21 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: RC one fact what I've heard is PTRs are rather nice. I'm partial to the HK-91-ish design, it just feels right.

I've a CETME that runs like a sewing machine - it's the predecessor to the HK91s. The roller-lock mechanism really takes all the bite out of the .308 recoil as well.

I just wish .308 wasn't so expensive to shoot. :(

If you do get one, be sure to check out RTG Parts. He's good people.
9 posted on 02/22/2013 6:02:10 PM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: RC one

I’ve had a PTR91 and have a Hesse hk91 clone. Both get the job done, quite well. They eat anything I’ve ever put in them both Mil-Spec and cheap Russian crap. Fit and finish on PTR is better since its much newer.

Sorry to bust in. Back to regular programming.....

10 posted on 02/22/2013 6:03:20 PM PST by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: SampleMan

Well said. They govern and enforce laws per our consent. They cannot claim any power we do not grant them, and by extension have ourselves.

11 posted on 02/22/2013 6:05:10 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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I figure that these boycotts of government sales are only done by companies that don’t sell modern fully automatic rifles.

My personal view is that private ownership of fully automatic/crew served weapons should not be infringed or restricted. Certainly the Constitution envisioned private ownership of crew served weapons, per the Letters of Marque and Reprisal clause, and the Second Amendment would codify that the right to such arms shall not be infringed.

The Naval Militia (mentioned in Title 10 Section 311, iirc) was a major force in the Revolution, with privateers radically increasing Britian’s cost of continuing the war against the American colonies and later the United States.

12 posted on 02/22/2013 6:18:39 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: BigpapaBo; Sylvester McMonkey McBean

they seem nice and the manufacturer backs up their parts with a lifetimne warranty too. For the price, how can you go wrong? Was the brass any kind of reloadable after firing Bigpapa?

13 posted on 02/22/2013 6:33:46 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: RC one

Only LC headstamped brass was ok for reloads. Winchester and federal 308, not so much. Decent size dings in the case on almost all the non-milsurp rounds.
Good full length dies for resizing and factory crimp are required. IMO anyway.

14 posted on 02/22/2013 7:20:47 PM PST by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: BigpapaBo

that’s about what I figured. I have always loved the HK91 but its reputation for tearing up brass forced me to go with the Armalite AR10 when it was time to lay down the money. I just freaking want one now though so I’m gonna bid on a PTR. I can’t say no to the price and the warranty.

15 posted on 02/22/2013 7:45:31 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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