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Depressing poll of the day: Public opposes cuts to virtually all types of spending
Hotair ^ | 92/22/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 02/23/2013 5:07:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Nothing new here, which is the most depressing part. Scroll halfway down the page at Pew and you'll find a table tracking shifts in public opinion on various programs over the last four years. There are noticeable jumps in support for cuts from 2009 to 2011 as America got a snoutful of Obamanomics, but we've leveled off since then — and in not a single category of the 17 tested is there 50 percent in favor of decreasing spending. In fact, in only three of those 17 categories (foreign aid, unemployment aid, and the State Department) is there more support for decreasing spending than increasing it.

The most hopeful graph at the link is one purporting to show that the public’s become “more austere” because the big lead that fans of raising spending used to have over fans of cutting spending is now a bit smaller. Alternate headline: “Blogger’s Friday-night drinking to start early.”

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As you see, apart from foreign aid, support for cuts never reaches 35 percent. Even in the case of foreign aid, you have a slight plurality in favor of at least preserving the status quo rather than cutting. There’s not much hope in partisan differences either. Of the 17 categories, Democrats prefer cuts to increased spending in just two; independents in just three; and Republicans in nine — although even GOPers support increased spending for, gulp, Medicare and Social Security. I realize I’m making too much of this; when you ask people whether they want to cut a program without emphasizing countervailing considerations like deficits, obviously they’re going to be reluctant. These questions at their core are really just gut checks on how valuable the public views each program or agency to be. They see comparatively little value in diplomacy, which is why foreign aid and State get low ratings, and much more in veterans’ benefits. And yet, after four years of hot political rhetoric about exploding debt and a fiscal crisis on the horizon, you would think that the numbers for increasing spending, at least, would be minuscule. They’re not.

By way of partially explaining why, I’ll leave you with these two tweets.

#Journalism twitpic.com/c5zdss

— Ramesh Ponnuru (@RameshPonnuru) February 22, 2013

Warning this photo is graphic slasher stuff. Depicts “massive” cuts from #sequester. Scary. twitter.com/GroverNorquist…

— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) February 22, 2013



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; cuts; spending

1 posted on 02/23/2013 5:07:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

2 posted on 02/23/2013 5:08:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The “education” graph is the most depressing. People really for that “for the chillin” BS.


3 posted on 02/23/2013 5:10:10 AM PST by albie (`)
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To: SeekAndFind

Telling.


4 posted on 02/23/2013 5:13:02 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: SeekAndFind
Depressing poll of the day: Public opposes cuts to virtually all types of spending

99 & 44/100 % PURE BULLSHIT.

5 posted on 02/23/2013 5:13:33 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: SeekAndFind

On the bright side, Ann Arbor Michigan was approved for an $800,000 grant out of transportation funds to pave a bike path. /s

Its like living in a nation full of children who were never disciplined or told “No”.


6 posted on 02/23/2013 5:15:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

These polls ask about cuts, not about freezes or slowing down growth (say, keeping at +1%).

These polls also don’t ask about bringing all troops home or pumping their money into the Fed.


7 posted on 02/23/2013 5:17:19 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: SeekAndFind
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
- An expression of a sentiment often attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville or Alexander Fraser Tytler
8 posted on 02/23/2013 5:17:26 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is why we are not a democracy.
This is why mob rule is a bad thing.

The people elect leaders.
The leaders are supposed to lead.
The leaders are supposed to be smart enough to know that fiscal responsibility is simply mandatory.


9 posted on 02/23/2013 5:17:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: SeekAndFind

geez...are these the same polling folks that said Romney was gaining ground and could win? Or is this the one where you first have to admit you have more than 20,000 in credit card debt to qualify.


10 posted on 02/23/2013 5:22:50 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: SeekAndFind

Watch the GOPES in the senate eat this up with Rove’s RINOS using this as tap city from funders. Republicans should not let these “polls” divert the drive to attack regime administration policy the counter attack should be waste and corruption.


11 posted on 02/23/2013 5:26:03 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: q_an_a
Of course the public doesn't want any cuts, who doesn't want more free stuff? After all, the members of both parties have been basically spending money we don't have, to give to people and essentially telling people 'don't worry about it, nobody has to pay for this stuff'. If any good can come from large tax increases (as long as they are broad-based) it may cause at least some people to tune into the fact that things cost money...in other words, as long as everything is free, who is going to complain?
12 posted on 02/23/2013 5:26:11 AM PST by qwerty1234
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To: q_an_a

I listened to the Peter Schiff show the other day and he made a good point that in all these polls people will always approve of raising someone elses taxes but he suggested the question be framed like should the Federal government raise YOUR taxes to pay for all this government? the taxes that YOU pay? And he said I bet they say NO!

His point was that even if you took all the “rich’s” money there is not enough to pay for all this government and that the burden always falls on those further down.


13 posted on 02/23/2013 5:26:41 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: GoldenPup

I think it’s plausible, maybe even rock-solid.

The overwhelming majority of Americans agree government spends too much money, but can’t pin down where they’d like to see cuts. There’s a disconnect, a failure of logic.

No one, including Congress, wants to make the hard choices that must be made if we are to avoid fiscal ruin. And why should they? They pay a higher price politically for being responsible than they do for being reckless.

Our fate is sealed.


14 posted on 02/23/2013 5:27:55 AM PST by AlwaysThinking (Pray, Christian 2 Chron 7:14)
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To: SeekAndFind
The poll is true enough as far as it goes. But everything depends on how the question is framed, which is why the leftist media is such a problem.

I'm reasonably certain that one could find majority support in polls for: (a) slowing the rate of growth of spending in xyz; (b) putting major entitlements on a sustainable basis; (c) allowing people to create a real investment option with ownership rights and inheritability in Social Security; (d) putting people and their doctors, not bureaucrats, in charge of health care decisions; etc.

The poll cited here simply shows that people want basic social services, including a reasonable safety net. Well heck, so do I. The issue is whether we believe that big, government controlled, collectivist solutions are the most cost effective and workable. I don't believe that, and neither do most here. And neither, I think, does a majority of the American people, provided that the question is framed correctly.

15 posted on 02/23/2013 5:29:21 AM PST by sphinx
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To: SeekAndFind
The poll is true enough as far as it goes. But everything depends on how the question is framed, which is why the leftist media is such a problem.

I'm reasonably certain that one could find majority support in polls for: (a) slowing the rate of growth of spending in xyz; (b) putting major entitlements on a sustainable basis; (c) allowing people to create a real investment option with ownership rights and inheritability in Social Security; (d) putting people and their doctors, not bureaucrats, in charge of health care decisions; etc.

The poll cited here simply shows that people want basic social services, including a reasonable safety net. Well heck, so do I. The issue is whether we believe that big, government controlled, collectivist solutions are the most cost effective and workable. I don't believe that, and neither do most here. And neither, I think, does a majority of the American people, provided that the question is framed correctly.

16 posted on 02/23/2013 5:29:45 AM PST by sphinx
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To: GoldenPup
99 & 44/100 % PURE BULLSHIT.

Agreed.

Since when have we paid attention to left wing push polls? Ones designed, not to tell us what is actually going on, but to intimidate the wobbly RINOs?

17 posted on 02/23/2013 5:30:18 AM PST by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: JohnPDuncan

stupid republicans AND Rove’s RINO’s...they should be running advertising -”WE already raised taxes on people and now the President says that is not enough...soon he want to tax you too!!” but they just play silly games about guns or immigrants and NEVER GET OR HOLD THE HIGH GROUND. How do you win the war staying on the beach? Storm the cliffs, attack!!


18 posted on 02/23/2013 5:31:05 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing this poll shows is people didn’t want to show their ignorance of the issue so they said keep it the same.


19 posted on 02/23/2013 5:34:05 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: q_an_a
PEW published a report last May that demonstrates why you should no longer accept any poll results at face value.

This is a PEW poll. Do not accept it.

20 posted on 02/23/2013 5:35:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

The only way budget cuts can be effectively polled, due to their complexity, is by making them a freeware software game, of sorts.

That is, the national budget is as complex as are some of the major strategy games. Importantly, when enough people would “play the game”, potentially useful patterns would emerge as how to economize.

The game could even be played as a MMOG, with virtual rewards given for effective play without violating parameters.

Of course, many players would focus on just their area of interest, like some naive teenager would decide to cut the entire defense budget. So consequences would also be part of the game.

Much of the federal government continues to exist solely out of inertia, and the game players would quickly pick up on this and point out the blindingly obvious. For example, the Railroad Retirement Board (created in 1935, current budget $6.95b), has zero reason to exist as an independent agency. By folding it into a similar federal retirement agency, might save half of that expense.


21 posted on 02/23/2013 5:41:58 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: AlwaysThinking
True. Part of the answer I address below in #15 (and #16; sorry about the double post). But in addition, people have been lied to consistently.

Politicians of both parties will raise the issue of the deficit, and then immediately start talking about "fraud, waste, and abuse." That's a bait and switch. By all means, let's do a better job of policing fraud, but this is incidental to the deficit problem.

The democrats compound this by carrying on as if we could solve the problem with higher taxes on a handful of rich people and big companies, "who are not paying their fair share." This is also a fraud.

But as a practical matter, people get a steady barrage of misinformation suggesting that there is an easy out, if only a couple of simple and relatively painless things were done. And since they are led to believe that the solution is simple and painless, they are naturally not inclined to eat their vegetables on spending reform. They are also extremely frustrated that the purportedly simple and easy things haven't already been done. The default explanation for that is the evil character of the opposition party, and so we're off to the races on character assassination.

The democrats are by far the greatest offenders here, as they lie instinctively and think class warfare is an end in itself, but Republican hands aren't entirely clean either.

22 posted on 02/23/2013 5:43:02 AM PST by sphinx
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RE: geez...are these the same polling folks that said Romney was gaining ground and could win?

This Poll is from PEW RESEARCH. They were pretty accurate in predicting Obama’s victory last year.

It was ironically, the conservative leaning polls that were off in 2012 (Rasmussen, Gallup, even Michael Barone, and of course, Dick Morris ).


23 posted on 02/23/2013 5:45:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: muawiyah

I am tired of looking at polls and more than tired of politicians who use them as a voting guide. Perhaps if we had firm term limits that would not be the case. I can just imagine the question here: Do you favor budget cuts if those cuts meant a reduction in your police and fire protection, a decrease in our military, less social security then you now get, double class sizes...on and on.

A question like do you favor cuts in spending if no cuts meant you will get no benefits in ten years.


24 posted on 02/23/2013 5:55:34 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: SeekAndFind

This does not surprise me in the least. That’s why “wise” politicians run on cutting “fraud and waste”. That’s about as specific as they get.


25 posted on 02/23/2013 5:56:26 AM PST by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

They should have asked which items they would be willing to have their taxes increased to remain the same?


26 posted on 02/23/2013 5:58:12 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: SeekAndFind

Really? So Obama signed these spending cuts into law AGAINST THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE??

This occupant of the Oval Office has a penchant for shoving his proposals down our throats, doesn’t he?

BTW, I bet different results would be achieved if the questions were asked with a modicum of balance.....

I would also be curious to see the demographics of this survey.


27 posted on 02/23/2013 6:04:28 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: cripplecreek

And that’s the problem with the way these polls are worded. No one wants to see our nation’s highways and bridges in dangerous disrepair, but bundled into “Transportation” are such luxuries as the $800,000 bike path you cited. Unfortunately, we don’t appear to have any adults in Washington who are able to trim their spending of OUR MONEY by distinguishing between necessities and luxuries.

Our once-great country is being overrun by overgrown, free-spending children who have no idea how to set a budget and be fiscally responsible - in and out of Washington.


28 posted on 02/23/2013 6:16:21 AM PST by SuzyQueIN
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To: cripplecreek
Its like living in a nation full of children who were never disciplined or told “No”.

That would be the 60s generation. They are now running the country.

29 posted on 02/23/2013 6:17:48 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Compromise of 1986 (bet they don’t teach THAT in school) has failed, decisively.

As with 1850, the result is the extension of slavery to all the states, or war.

Jarvis, Gann, and Stockman were wrong, because they did not envision that the power of Congress to borrow money and send the resulting money to the States, circumventing the gold and silver clause and the prohibition of State paper money would be so abused.

As with 1820 and 1850, the war has been delayed, but the issue is fundamental, and will now have to be settled, one way or another.


30 posted on 02/23/2013 6:28:02 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When the economy finally collapses under its own weight, these “don’t cut anything” folks will be crying for their taxpayer-provided benefits to be restored.

I suspect those of us preparing right now will have the last laugh.


31 posted on 02/23/2013 6:51:24 AM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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Tell me that this poll wasn’t taken in downtown Detroit or Washington DC, or St. Louis or Philadelphia, etc.

Once you give something to these “takers”, they will scream bloody murder if you even try to take anything from them. Same goes for the unions. Look what happened in Wisconsin.


32 posted on 02/23/2013 6:53:52 AM PST by Progov
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To: qwerty1234

“Free stuff” will always be free for most people. The rich — who will always be in the minority, by definition — will fund the cushy life of the majority.

The low-information majority, educated in public schools and not taught values of faith and sacrifice by their parent(s) — will never understand.


33 posted on 02/23/2013 7:03:03 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: SeekAndFind
The RAT party and their sponsors know precisely what the game plan is, and they are playing it out very very masterfully. Get enough folk dependent on Santa Claus and there will be no stopping this train until it results in the ultimate train wreck - collapse of the US Dollar. The Bond markets will be the signal the end is within seeing distance.........how fast that occurs is any ones guess but in this age of electronic communication my guess it will all be over in less than a day.
34 posted on 02/23/2013 7:10:27 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only thing a poll like this tells is the bias of the group that paid for it.


35 posted on 02/23/2013 7:10:27 AM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

Real problem is that it seems everyone wants cuts for the other guys...but not for themselves

Most folks want reduction in foreign aid...yet we still give away $$$ to foreign nations like candy to a sweet tooth....whether it is direct aid or bad Free Trade deals.

I would also prefer to end all foreign aid instead of cutting veterans benefits....but both parties seem to prefer Globalism over Americanism


36 posted on 02/23/2013 7:16:16 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SeekAndFind

It doesn’t matter whether the public supports or opposes it. The math doesn’t work. The money isn’t there.


37 posted on 02/23/2013 7:19:33 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: THX 1138
Since when have we paid attention to left wing push polls?

As long as we have childishly decided to ignore polls that tell us things we don't want to believe.

38 posted on 02/23/2013 7:35:11 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: SeminoleCounty

What makes this more depressing is that foreign aid and the State Department are the most microscopic spending items on the poll; we could totally eliminate both and it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference for the deficit.

What is really hilarious are the polls that ask people to estimate what portion of the budget is foreign aid - you end up with ridiculous 25% estimates when it’s actually 1%.


39 posted on 02/23/2013 7:39:11 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: SeekAndFind

I look at it this way. Only 20 second soundbite, low information Gangham style “voters” are dumb enough to answer the phone when these annoying pollsters call. Caller I.D. is our friend.


40 posted on 02/23/2013 7:57:42 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for Americans to stand up to the public servants! This is OUR country!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder what the results would look like if the poll had explained baseline budgeting and asked whether spending levels should be held at current levels or allowed to automatically increase.

Opposing “cuts” might really mean opposing decreasing spending from current levels (the meaning of “cuts” in English), while a respondent might well be in favor of keeping spending at current levels, which in Newspeak is called “supporting draconian cuts to Federal programs which will harm the poor and throw teachers and first-responders out of work”. In fact, only veterans benefits (Federal spending on which is supported by patriots) garnered majority support for increase, while education (Federal spending on which is supported by fools) pulled 50% support for increases.

The poll is depressing only in that we know the Washington usage that not increasing a the forecast rate by the OMB is called a “cut” (or even a “draconian cut which will. . .”) and the demagogues of the left and the go-along-to-get-along faction of the GOP will deceive the unwary by calling it that when the voter in question might very well support fixing spending at current levels for the next decade, but would register opposition to “cuts” — with two exceptions, both of which are small budget items compared with entitlements and defense spending, the poll found majority support for “same” or “cut”.


41 posted on 02/23/2013 8:00:11 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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