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Chicago Union Head: Let Us Carry Guns, Get Paid Like Cops
breitbart news ^ | 2-23-13 | breitbart news

Posted on 02/23/2013 7:03:48 AM PST by TurboZamboni

Union members in Chicago are now intent on carrying guns aboard their buses if members of the civilian public are allowed to do so. And naturally, they want more taxpayer money for their trouble.

The NRA has insisted on concealed-carry laws that would allow the general public to carry guns on public transit; now Amalgamated Transit Union Division 308 President Robert Kelly says such a policy is “outrageous and cannot be allowed.” Chicago Transit Authority President Forrest Claypool agrees, “It would be disastrous to allow passengers to carry concealed weapons on our trains and buses.”

But sensing an opportunity to push for higher pay, Kelly added that if civilians were allowed to carry weapons, CTA employees “should get training and have the same right for protection. We will also need to be paid accordingly since we will have dual jobs as transit workers and police officers.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; carry; chicago; guncontrol; secondamendment; unions

1 posted on 02/23/2013 7:03:55 AM PST by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

That is fine. Even union thugs should have concealed carry rights.
But they don’t deserve cop pay.


2 posted on 02/23/2013 7:09:09 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: TurboZamboni

In places more civilized than Chicago the general public legally carries concealed weapons every day. They also ride public transportation, walk the streets, drive cars, go shoppibng, etc.

Chicago’s problem isn’t legal gun ownership - it is with political correctness that is responsible for allowing an animalistic, criminal segment of society to run amok.


3 posted on 02/23/2013 7:13:50 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: TurboZamboni

The Obama labor front wants weapons?


4 posted on 02/23/2013 7:16:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Obama wants to take one more step toward the real leftist goal which is a guaranteed minimum income for all - no work required.


5 posted on 02/23/2013 7:18:45 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: cripplecreek
The Obama labor front wants weapons?

Bring it on! Give me a reason ....

7 posted on 02/23/2013 7:22:44 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: TurboZamboni

Howie Carr warned about this a few months back. He said that if teachers were armed they would demand to be classified as LEO, thus retiring early, in their 40’s, with LEO pensions and benefits. Thus all the work that Govs Walker and Christie accomplished would go right down the drain.


8 posted on 02/23/2013 7:23:04 AM PST by gusty
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To: TurboZamboni

I wonder what the police union would have to say about this?


9 posted on 02/23/2013 7:23:10 AM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: TurboZamboni

why not just automate busses and replace the drivers?

instead of google cars, google buses.

no driver, no driver union.


10 posted on 02/23/2013 7:23:54 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: gusty

how about the police who retire and continue to work defering thir pensions.

it is a sweet scam.


11 posted on 02/23/2013 7:26:18 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: usconservative

I’m all for them having weapons as private citizens but they damn sure don’t need to get paid for it and they don’t need police powers either.

The goal everywhere should be less cops and the way to do that is to create a civil society.


12 posted on 02/23/2013 7:26:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Confrontational Marxist Union Thugs known for using their fists and iron pipes at the slightest provocation, armed with handguns.

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

13 posted on 02/23/2013 7:26:38 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: TurboZamboni

"When seconds count, the Bus Driver is only tens of minutes away."


14 posted on 02/23/2013 7:28:03 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TurboZamboni; Condor51

Oh, harse-manar!

On any given route and any given bus, ILLEGAL carry gang-bangers and neighborhood thugs are in possession of a firearm. These Onion-goofs should have been bitchin’ about having to protect themsleves decades ago!


15 posted on 02/23/2013 7:28:15 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Now imagine a future if all the teachers got the same deal. The unintended consequences of arming teachers in the classroom.
16 posted on 02/23/2013 7:30:48 AM PST by gusty
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To: fidelis

They get to collect duplicate union dues.


17 posted on 02/23/2013 7:36:41 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Dear bus driver:

The crooks are already packing on your precious bus.

This law just evens the odds a bit.

The problem with you insisting on packing, is that now the bad guys know it, and you’ll be the first one shot.

The first rule in security is DON’T TALK ABOUT IT!


18 posted on 02/23/2013 7:37:32 AM PST by G Larry
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To: TurboZamboni

Hussein’s civilian army.


19 posted on 02/23/2013 7:38:29 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: longtermmemmory

they’ll be the new elevator door men.

(never going away)


20 posted on 02/23/2013 7:43:29 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: G Larry
"The problem with you insisting on packing, is that now the bad guys know it, and you’ll be the first one shot."

Note that it is the union leadership raising the issue. They won't be the first ones shot; it will be their drivers.

But what are a few lives sacrificed in pursuit of an agenda? Once a few drivers get capped because the 'bangers think they're armed, Rahm will have yet another crises he can take advantage of...

21 posted on 02/23/2013 7:44:02 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m all for them having weapons as private citizens but they damn sure don’t need to get paid for it and they don’t need police powers either.

You and I are going to disagree here. I don't believe the Obama voters / Obama union thugs should be armed, period.

They've already proven their danger to America by voting for the idiot in the White House. Don't need them armed.

If they ARE armed however, the minute one of 'em reaches for their waistline in my presence, they're toast. Self Defense IMO. Don't trust 'em with a vote, don't trust 'em at all with a gun, period.

22 posted on 02/23/2013 7:44:24 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Joe 6-pack

Union Leadership = Mob Bosses

The higher the membership wage, the larger the mob’s take.


23 posted on 02/23/2013 7:51:16 AM PST by G Larry
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To: usconservative
You and I are going to disagree here. I don't believe the Obama voters / Obama union thugs should be armed, period.

Then you don't agree with the constitution period.
24 posted on 02/23/2013 7:51:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: G Larry
The problem with you insisting on packing, is that now the bad guys know it, and you’ll be the first one shot.

Somebody is going to have to show me some numbers proving that crap.
25 posted on 02/23/2013 7:53:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Then you don't agree with the constitution period.

You sure do have a propensity to jump to unfounded conclusions.....

26 posted on 02/23/2013 8:00:00 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative
You sure do have a propensity to jump to unfounded conclusions.....

I'm not the genius who declared that someone should be denied the right to carry based on a political leaning.

You and I are going to disagree here. I don't believe the Obama voters / Obama union thugs should be armed, period.

If you don't have the moral courage to support the constitution for all Americans, its pretty likely that you'll one day lose those very same rights.
27 posted on 02/23/2013 8:06:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TurboZamboni

How about getting the same pay as a NONUNION E-2 in Afghanistan?


28 posted on 02/23/2013 8:12:10 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: cripplecreek
I'm not the genius who declared that someone should be denied the right to carry based on a political leaning.

Wrong. Clearly you do not understand the difference between expressing an opinion vs. an outright statement that someone's Constitutional Rights should be taken away:

"You and I are going to disagree here. I don't believe the Obama voters / Obama union thugs should be armed, period."

Nowhere in the above did I state Obama Supporters should have their Constitutional rights taken away. Try again, genius.

If you don't have the moral courage to support the constitution for all Americans, its pretty likely that you'll one day lose those very same right.

Hilight the words where I stated their rights should be taken away. In fact, what I stated was:

" They've already proven their danger to America by voting for the idiot in the White House. Don't need them armed.

If they ARE armed however, the minute one of 'em reaches for their waistline in my presence, they're toast. Self Defense IMO. Don't trust 'em with a vote, don't trust 'em at all with a gun, period."

I suppose if you wanted to (and you in fact, did) take my comments out of context you could try to make any incorrect, unsubstantiated argument you want.

Facts are what they are though, and nowhere did I suggest anyone have their rights "taken away."

Nice try ........... not.

29 posted on 02/23/2013 8:20:51 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: cripplecreek

Use your head!

If the bad guy knows the driver has a holstered weapon and the bad guy wants to cause trouble, who’s he going to shoot first?

If an armed drive is ever going to make a difference, it will be because the bad guy is unaware he’s armed.


30 posted on 02/23/2013 8:22:38 AM PST by G Larry
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To: usconservative

Whatever you say. Its right there for all to see.

I support the constitution in its original form for all Americans


31 posted on 02/23/2013 8:24:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TurboZamboni
But sensing an opportunity to push for higher pay, Kelly added that if civilians were allowed to carry weapons, CTA employees “should get training and have the same right for protection. We will also need to be paid accordingly since we will have dual jobs as transit workers and police officers.”

It's not about arming the drivers at all really, it's about getting more MONEY for the Obama Supporting union thugs.

The reality is this: "gun free zones" exist across America. Those "gun free zones" are nothing more than KILLING FIELDS for any certifiable nutcase to go out and kill otherwise unarmed, innocent people.

I suppose if the CTA (Chicago Transit Authority) wanted to declare all busses "gun free zones" they may as well just put a big sticker on the side of every bus that says "Welcome aboard our gun-free busses. All passengers unarmed, driver carries no cash. Have at it!"

Wonder how many non-gang bangers would be riding the busses then. Probably not many smart people anyway. Either that or there'd be a whole lotta lawbreaking otherwise honest citizens who want to protect themselves in the hell-hole called Chicago. (I know, I go to Chicago every day to work. It's getting bad. Really bad, and I work in the financial district.)

32 posted on 02/23/2013 8:30:14 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: cripplecreek
Whatever you say. Its right there for all to see.

I stand by my words un-distorted by you and in-context.

I resent your pathetic attempt to twist my words. But then, that's not the first time you've tried that with me. I shall engage you no further. I see what you are.

33 posted on 02/23/2013 8:32:23 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: G Larry
Use your head!

Here's a fact. There are thousands of people openly carrying in America and there's zero evidence that they're being targeted by anyone. If anything visible weapons are more of a deterrent than the unseen weapons. I personally support the choice of all free men to carry openly or concealed with no exceptions.

Rick Ector was robbed in his own Detroit driveway some 30 years ago. Since getting his concealed weapons permit and subsequent legalization of open carry, he hasn't been robbed since.

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34 posted on 02/23/2013 8:40:33 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: fidelis
I wonder what the police union would have to say about this?

If they are reclassified as "police" and pay dues to the police union, they will be welcomed with open arms. If they even work out an arrangement to split the dues between their current union and the police union they will still be welcome.

35 posted on 02/23/2013 8:48:10 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: TurboZamboni
Chicago Union Head: Let Us Carry Guns, Get Paid Like Cops

Sure!

Are you going to be held legally liable like the cops for failing to protect someone?

OH, wait.......never mind!

36 posted on 02/23/2013 8:54:28 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: cripplecreek

Wake up!

I’m not arguing about individual right to carry!!!!

I’m saying the driver’s are making a mistake by advertising that they intend to be armed.

The advantage of concealed carry is that NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE!

If the bad guy KNOWS you are carrying, it is easy for him to get the drop on you.

For instance....a bus driver with his back turned to 60 people, busy driving a bus...just might be easily be beat to the draw, since the driver won’t know which guy is the thug.


37 posted on 02/23/2013 9:04:32 AM PST by G Larry
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To: G Larry
The advantage of concealed carry is that NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE!

And you have absolutely NOTHING but emotion to back it up with.
38 posted on 02/23/2013 9:15:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

How about 40 years in the Defense and Security business?

When you go through the security guides, to see what is classified, you quickly learn that the most classified information, relates to the security steps you have taken.

HOW you maintain your security, is the most important element to conceal.

The other critical evidence for this is the substantial drop in crime, in communities that have switched from prohibiting concealed carry, to allowing concealed carry.


39 posted on 02/23/2013 9:34:22 AM PST by G Larry
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To: G Larry
How about 40 years in the Defense and Security business?

Yet you still can't produce ANY evidence that being openly armed makes someone a target. Its the exact same argument liberals used here when they tried to stop the passage of the open carry law.
40 posted on 02/23/2013 9:39:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TurboZamboni
There is a gun rights group (whose name I cannot think of) that advocates for a 5 year suspension of all gun laws.

Their reasoning is -- we've tried "gun control" for 50+ years and that certainly hasn't worked; time to try something that might work....

Makes sense to me!!!

41 posted on 02/23/2013 9:41:09 AM PST by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yet you refuse to read and comprehend a 4 line post.

Why don’t you explain to us, how everybody knowing that a preoccupied bus driver, is armed, is going to stop a thug.


42 posted on 02/23/2013 9:48:18 AM PST by G Larry
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To: TurboZamboni; usconservative; Lazamataz; LarryG

Now let me get this straight.

The Obama Labor Force wants guns to do potential battle with The Obama Gangbang Force in Chicago.

Obama followers killing Obama followers.

Hmmmmm.....


43 posted on 02/23/2013 9:59:11 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: TurboZamboni

civillians and union thugs both carry now, they think it doesn’t happen now?


44 posted on 02/23/2013 10:09:00 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: bigheadfred; TurboZamboni; usconservative; Lazamataz; LarryG
Yep, that's about right.

I'd jokingly posted a few weeks back that the best way to solve Chicago's CRIME problem (not "gun" problem) was to simply do the following:

-Evacuate all kids under 15 years of age from two neighborhoods: Gresham and Austin
-Wall off Gresham and Austin overnight. Let no one in or out.
- Drop a bunch of guns and ammo into Gresham and Austin
- Wait two weeks for all the freaks, idiots, Obama Supporters and Gang Bangers to kill each other off
- After two weeks, send in the military to arrest any survivors in Gresham and Austin for murder
- Once convicted, throw them all in jail for life.

Seems to me the crime problem in Chicago might be solved by a simple clean-up of the two neighborhoods where the overwhelming majority of all murders and gun related crimes are committed.

45 posted on 02/23/2013 10:20:51 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: cripplecreek
Rahm could save lives by offering free marksmanship training to gang bangers. After all, they tend to be shooting at each other and killing innocent bystanders.
46 posted on 02/23/2013 12:18:47 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: G Larry

Please show examples from your 40 years where people OCing are targeted. I look for such stories on a regular basis and can never find any.


47 posted on 02/24/2013 8:33:45 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: G Larry

Please show examples from your 40 years where people OCing are targeted. I look for such stories on a regular basis and can never find any.


48 posted on 02/24/2013 8:33:59 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

How many clowns on FR read my original post and thought I was bashing open carry?

My point was that if everyone knows the bus driver is packing’, given his preoccupation with driving, he’s going to make a better target than a protector.

Get over it!

Open carry may be swell in Cripple Creek Colorado, but in downtown Denver, it just gets you SWATted.


49 posted on 02/24/2013 8:41:20 AM PST by G Larry
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