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As furloughs loom, unions try to soften sequester blow for federal workers
Wash Post ^ | 2/22/13 | Lisa Rein

Posted on 02/23/2013 8:52:59 AM PST by jimbo123

Federal government labor unions and agency managers are bargaining over how and when to carry out first-of-their-kind furloughs of more than a million employees as deep spending cuts are all but certain to kick in Friday.

Union leaders cannot stop the furloughs or determine who in each agency must take them. They say their best option is to soften the pain of unpaid days, which could slash federal pay by up to 20 percent this fiscal year.

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This would be the first time that furloughs across the federal government would occur with no chance that lost pay would be recovered.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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Still expecting Boner and McConnell to fold on this. One week to go...
1 posted on 02/23/2013 8:53:04 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Wow. I did a Google image search on "fold like a cheap suit" and this image was one of the first to pop up:


2 posted on 02/23/2013 8:56:59 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: jimbo123

I’ve worked in the private sector and in the government sector. During the last five years the private sector has endured what is equal or worse than the sequester and the government side has not. Time to “spread the wealth around” give everybody a “fair shot” a “fair chance” at success.


3 posted on 02/23/2013 8:58:36 AM PST by timlilje
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To: COBOL2Java

stall fed horses


4 posted on 02/23/2013 8:58:52 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jimbo123


GO AHEAD MAKE MY BRUNCH

5 posted on 02/23/2013 9:02:28 AM PST by devolve ( -------- -- --It is not where Obama was born that is the problem - it is where he*s living now--)
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To: jimbo123
This would be the first time that furloughs across the federal government would occur with no chance that lost pay would be recovered.

This is why I always laugh when there's a "government shutdown" and government employees are furloughed - - in the end, the government employees always get their "back pay". I cannot believe that the same thing won't happen again this time if indeed there are furloughs.

6 posted on 02/23/2013 9:06:28 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Of course Boner and McConnell will ultimately give the furloughed government workers their “back pay”. Government workers are a protected species in the eyes of the RATS and RINOS.


7 posted on 02/23/2013 9:11:09 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

They say their best option is to soften the pain of unpaid days

Their pain, our gain.


8 posted on 02/23/2013 9:15:46 AM PST by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: jimbo123

We started out the week with 700,000 people getting fired. By Wednesday, it was up to 800,000. Now it’s over a million. At this rate, we’ll have our smaller government by end of winter.


9 posted on 02/23/2013 9:20:28 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: jimbo123

I’m a Federal employee and there’s a good chance I will get furloughed. Losing the money would be tough. Still, if that’s the only way to reduce the deficit, so be it. I’m also a father and I don’t want to see this country turn into Greece. I’d rather they targeted the cuts at mostly worthless expenditures like the Department of Education and Housing and Urban Development, but an across-the-board cut is better than nothing.

One factor that hasn’t been mentioned in this discussion is demographic: the peak year of the baby boom was 1957 and the years surrounding that were high-birth years as well. Thus, you have a lot of Federal employees in that 55 to 57 year age range who would probably accept a buyout. Buy them out, don’t fill the positions, and you can save a lot of money right there.


10 posted on 02/23/2013 9:24:22 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: jimbo123
"furloughs"

What's with this furlough talk? Lay them off. Downsize. What don't the unions and politicians understand?

11 posted on 02/23/2013 9:49:17 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Our man in washington
I’d rather they targeted the cuts at mostly worthless expenditures like the Department of Education and Housing and Urban Development, but an across-the-board cut is better than nothing.

Concur. The solution to this mess is simple; "Stop all unconstitutional spending." A top to bottom review of the Federal Code for Constitutional compliance, repealing all laws that do not pass, would also be in order.

Buy them out, don’t fill the positions, and you can save a lot of money right there.

Am sure this will also happen. Those furloughed should consider it the first step to their positions being eliminated. They should take it as a warning and plan accordingly.

12 posted on 02/23/2013 9:49:24 AM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: timlilje

It is not good that it has come to furloughs, but that is the price one pays for gross mismanagement. Federal agencies could have easily reduced this pin through attrition and a host other cost saving options if they started years ago.

I last two companies I worked for had to use furloughs for the last four years to get through tough business periods. The feds should be no different. Especially since they are bloated beyond belief.


13 posted on 02/23/2013 9:51:33 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: jimbo123

If our side had any brains at all they would be out there telling everyone who will listen that any manager of any federal department can’t figure out how to cut the waste without cutting serives will be replaced with one who can.


14 posted on 02/23/2013 10:12:14 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Our man in washington

I’m also a Federal Employee, specifically one of the 100,000+ engineers and scientists that directly support the warfighter on a daily basis. I agree there many useless departments within government that need eliminated. But after 3 years of pay freeze and now up to 22 days of furlough, EPA only will have to take 6 days, enough is enough. Cut all foreign aid, eliminate duplicate programs, cut waste and fraud that is rampant in social programs and one can easily come up with 200+ Million in cuts without impacting Federal Pay. But NOOO, our mental midget politicians would rather play class warfare instead of actually solving a problem. And as for being overpaid, keep in mind figures don’t lie but liars can figure, so be careful when making accusations based on information from unbiased think tanks.


15 posted on 02/23/2013 10:46:15 AM PST by OHPatriot (I WILL NOT COMPLY !!!!!)
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To: Drango; All

“What’s with this furlough talk? Lay them off. Downsize. What don’t the unions and politicians understand?”

First of all....government and its employees are NOT a business - it is specious logic to attempt to use “business” practices for government. IF they exist, at least in “theory”, they do so because they have a function to accomplish (whether one agrees with it or not). Government employees are NOT in existence to create “profit” like a business.

Secondly, except for anarchists, most reasonable persons understand that some form of government (and thus employees) are required. It is really a matter of opinion as to what is necessary and what is not. I personnally don’t think DoD should be touched, at least not to the extent it is currently targeted, but that is my opinion. Those here and elsewhere that want to eliminate all federal employees are just being assinine and not worth listening to anymore.

Thirdly, the hiring and firing of federal employees is governed by LAW that cannot be conveinently ignored. There are processes that must be followed. IF they outright “eliminate” a person, then they are bound to follow Reduction in Force (RIF) procedures. It is a long drawn out process to do a RIF. By furloughing because of a funding shortfall, you avoid the RIF.

The wisest COA is to get agreement (like this will ever happen) as to what is necessary and what is not in government. Over time start cutting those areas and use attrition to downsize. When persons “leave” a position, don’t let it be refilled (have personnel “cross level”) until the appropriate number of employees are reached.

I see the same “class warfare” against government employees that we conservatives say liberals use against others. During “hard” times, a federal employee with a decent wage and secure job is HATED by those without. However, in “good” times the federal employee’s wages are not, in most cases, as good as their private sector counterparts (if that comparison is even valid). However, in “good” times nobody really complains about the federal worker.

Do we have a bloated government to include too many employees? Yes, this is self evident. It really is time to stop further growth and start reducing numbers. The key is to do so wisely and not vindictively. Sadly, massive cuts of government employees would quite literally turn some parts of the country into ghost towns. So, it has to be done wisely and carefully. It does HAVE to be done.


16 posted on 02/23/2013 10:53:22 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: jimbo123

Union dues, of course, will not be pro-rated.


17 posted on 02/23/2013 11:45:43 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Lancey Howard
They are being told this time the pay will not be made up
It is a 20% pay cut

It will also be a 20% cut in services, mostly you will feel the effect in timeliness, such as getting a passport or dealing with a VA claim or social security etc
or getting a federal approval to begin or continue some state and local projects and programs

For the next 22 weeks or so, if you happen to need, on a Friday, any service staffed or supported by a federal agency - good luck. Lots of voicemail - maybe. Employees are being told not only will they not work, but that they CANNOT work on a furlough day.

As a former AO in DoD, I am sure Congress and the WH are going to patiently wait for responses to demands for immediate information

NOT

18 posted on 02/23/2013 11:48:30 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: timlilje
That is ridiculous, you choose your path you live with it. The private sector has taken a beating because you rely on a profit margin. Fed employees provide a service. I will admit there is tons of waste, service often sucks. I provide specialized skills to the government, some come from my degree work others from years as a contractor, GS and service member in the DoD. Can a civilian be taught to do my job sure, but I am already trained with 34 years of experience and a graduate degree.
This spread the pain, fed employees are over paid etc is BS. I make less than I would in private sector but I like what I do. The inflated “average wages” for fed employees is misleading. I could have accepted a job in DC starting between $80 or $85k. Fed employees in major metro areas make far more in wages and that inflates the “average”. Another example are the intel types, some receive extremely high wages because they hold a highly sensitive clearance above Top Secret. A contractor or the Feds would have to pay out nearly $100k and two years to process that clearance for someone off the street. People coming out the military have those clearances. They are hard to get and hard to keep, hold a TS/SCI and have credit problems after a messy divorce, you can lose your clearance and your job. Again, there is plenty of waste, we are all replaceable, but we are not all over paid and need to share in the private sectors pain.
19 posted on 02/23/2013 12:00:01 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: OHPatriot
EPA only gets 6 days??
On the other hand; I rant a lot about bureaucrats in DOD and the hopelessly obtuse and self serving policies and procedures they embody. Productive work such as I presume yours to be would not be endangered if the feds could squelch their administrative empire building.
20 posted on 02/23/2013 12:26:32 PM PST by norton
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To: norton
Oops! Abstruse
21 posted on 02/23/2013 12:31:23 PM PST by norton
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To: silverleaf

Fortunately, I never have any business with the federal government except, of course, when they are confiscating the fruits of my labor through their IRS. We should have “sequestration” cuts every year. Then the government would grow ever more huge at a slightly slower rate.


22 posted on 02/23/2013 2:05:08 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: NTHockey
We started out the week with 700,000 people getting fired. By Wednesday, it was up to 800,000. Now it’s over a million. At this rate, we’ll have our smaller government by end of winter.

From your keyboard to God's screen...

23 posted on 02/23/2013 2:09:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sola Veritas

Well said. I didn’t like the tone/class warfare that the conversation is taking..here and on the outside. Yes, there is waste..and if any of these agencies didn’t see this coming as an eventuality and start planning early last year then their management should be among the first to go. I came out of the defense/aerospace industry...and our top leaders were preparing a long while ago. Of course, the 0bama administration snowed them into holding off on layoff notices just before the election. They have been scaling back. When some of my activity got cut late last year, I could see the writing on the wall and volunteered for a layoff, effective last month. A little earlier than planned...but I’ll do okay. I’ve been fortunate though, and have saved for a long time..and haven’t had any surprises. I feel for those that are being played like pawns in some D.C. power struggle, though...and wish well to all affected.


24 posted on 02/23/2013 3:50:03 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: jimbo123
They say their best option is to soften the pain of unpaid days, which could slash federal pay by up to 20 percent this fiscal year...this is crap - Transportation Secretary LaHood was on TV yesterday wailing that he was going to lose one billion dollars in the "cutback" (actually a reduction in the increased spending planned for next year) - on a seventy billion dollar budget - that's less than two percent - if the entire budget went into employee salaries, that would work out to one day off for each employee every three months, and if it didn't then cutbacks should be made in none-employee areas - virtually every working family in the country suffered a two percent cut in take home pay last January 1st - where's the government concern for them?......
25 posted on 02/23/2013 9:29:55 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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