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His Queeg Moment
The American Spectator ^ | 1.29.13 @ 6:07AM | Hal G.P. Colebatch

Posted on 02/24/2013 8:37:18 AM PST by null and void

A perspective on our president from Down Under.

In Herman Wouk’s classic World War II novel, The Caine Mutiny, there is a moment when a group of the ship’s officers are getting away from the increasingly eccentric Captain Queeq by relaxing ashore.

Suddenly the malcontent Lieutenant Keefer asks the others: “Does it occur to you that Captain Queeg may be insane?

In fact Queeg is not insane, at least not at that time. He is simply grappling, more and more disastrously, with a job too big for him. Come the crisis of a typhoon, he becomes paralyzed and nearly sinks the ship by failing to give the obvious orders.

Before this, the officers have searched the regulations for guidance, but the regulations refer only to a captain who is clearly and unmistakably insane, not one who is merely guilty of eccentricity and bad judgment.

Like Queeg, Obama shows an inability to change course when such a change is desperately needed.

What, exactly have things come to when a cockroach of a country, apparently run by real, certifiable lunatics, can threaten the United States with nuclear weapons? The typhoon waves are starting to break over the bridge.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: obamaqueeg; queeg
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He's 1) Insane 2) Evil 3) Stupid

Check all that apply...

1 posted on 02/24/2013 8:37:20 AM PST by null and void
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To: Ditter

2 posted on 02/24/2013 8:38:55 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void

Well, he is not insane and he is not stupid.

Anyone who started college in 1968 or later knows EXACTLY what he is.

Anyone who has studied Marxism-Leninism knows EXACTLY what he believes, and why, and what’s next.

He’s amazingly simple to read - its just that most Americans can’t or don’t want to believe it.


3 posted on 02/24/2013 8:43:15 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

And he’s not Queeg.

So much idiocy in journalism. Sigh.


4 posted on 02/24/2013 8:50:10 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Huh?


5 posted on 02/24/2013 8:55:14 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Jim Noble

BINGO


6 posted on 02/24/2013 8:55:31 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Williams

7 posted on 02/24/2013 8:58:42 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: null and void

Hat tip back to you! \:)


8 posted on 02/24/2013 9:04:34 AM PST by Ditter
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To: UCANSEE2

Fabulous picture, HA!...YOU.. are.. the.. BEST!


9 posted on 02/24/2013 9:04:34 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: UCANSEE2

He’ll be your strawberry.


10 posted on 02/24/2013 9:05:49 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: AFret.

Fabulous picture, HA!...YOU.. are.. the.. BEST!


He should be referred to as..”Old Yellowstain”...yeah..


11 posted on 02/24/2013 9:11:01 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: AFret.

Fabulous picture, HA!...YOU.. are.. the.. BEST!


He should be referred to as..”Old Yellowstain”...yeah..


12 posted on 02/24/2013 9:11:12 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: null and void

I might believe that Obama is incompetent if he would stop getting everything he wants.

Seems to me he is pretty shrewd and indeed has a plan.


13 posted on 02/24/2013 9:11:16 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: null and void

Exactly what would have happened to Sherman Cooper if his friends had turned against him in Big Bang Theory.


14 posted on 02/24/2013 9:19:19 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: null and void

ALL democrats are insane, and evil.

And need to be gone from the world.


15 posted on 02/24/2013 9:19:30 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: null and void

He’s evil and stupid but Queeg was relatively a completely benign figure.


16 posted on 02/24/2013 9:20:54 AM PST by stanne
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To: null and void
Obama is not Queeg. Obama is accomplishing exactly what he wants to accomplish. Right now, that is to completely destroy the Republican Party in preparation for the 2014 elections. That way, there will be no chance of a comeback for them; in fact, look for Pelosi to be House Speaker. Is he Queeg? No! He's doing marvelously.

Oh, and Boehner and McConnell will fold like a couple of cheap suits before this Friday.

17 posted on 02/24/2013 9:33:33 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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He should be referred to as..”Old Yellowstain”...yeah..

I would have gone with Reggie Love's pet name for him: ”Old Brownstain”...

18 posted on 02/24/2013 9:49:26 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Jim Noble

“Well, he is not insane and he is not stupid. Anyone who started college in 1968 or later knows EXACTLY what he is.”

I agree he is not insane or stupid. He is just a true believer of the insane and stupid things he was taught. He is also an activist. That makes him dangerous.


19 posted on 02/24/2013 9:50:03 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Oh, and Boehner and McConnell will fold like a couple of cheap suits before this Friday.

Ya THINK!?!?!??

If we're lucky they'll stop at merely giving him everything he's asked for.

20 posted on 02/24/2013 9:51:43 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void
If we're lucky they'll stop at merely giving him everything he's asked for.

Heh, hadn't thought about that one...

21 posted on 02/24/2013 9:57:18 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: null and void

Insane? Nope, what's in here is pure evil.

22 posted on 02/24/2013 10:01:53 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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23 posted on 02/24/2013 10:06:41 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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He's 1) Insane 2) Evil 3) Stupid

Check all that apply...


He's a president who is ruining the nation's present and future, and yet he's winning the national argument because his opposition, the GOP, is too unprincipled, fragmented and stupid to present a coherent, conservative, better way.

And he is no Queeg - he's doing exactly what he intends to do. He's also unlike Queeg in this - remove Queeg and you remove the problem. Remove Obama and you put Joe Biden into the Oval Office, with Hillary lining up for 2016. The problem here is liberalism, whose advocates are winning the national argument against conservatism because they have fought to gain control of the education system and mass media, while conservatives increasingly withdraw from both.
24 posted on 02/24/2013 10:30:13 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: null and void

My wife and I watched “The Caine Mutiny” this weekend, thanks to Netflix. I had always heard of the film, but I’d never seen it before Friday night.

Extending the allusion of Obama to Queeg points to an interesting direction. In the film, Queeg is a witness at the mutiny trial before the military court and starts off calm, relaxed, in control. Under the questioning of the attorney, however, his erratic and emotionally unstable nature emerges, something that even Queeg realizes in a sudden, sad moment. The court is silent; it looks like the mutineers were correct all along.

Then the climax, when everyone is singing and carousing in celebration, and the attorney appears. He describes the character assassination of Queeg as “shooting fish in a barrel,” and then moves on to eviscerate the rest of the officers as fools, incompetents, and ne’er-do-wells, before targeting the writer as the person who instigates the whole mess by thinking his hobby as a writer gives him insight into human nature. (It is always cool to see Ernie’s dad - Fred MacMurray - play the villain.) The lawyers asks if it would have really been all that awful just to follow regulations, help out their commander, and not bitch and carp about every petty detail. Finally, the lawyers throws the drink in MacMurray’s face, and everyone leaves him standing alone in the room.

The only reason I bring this up is that those of who dislike (and stronger) Obama can easily point out the man’s flaws, his weakness, his arrogance. We also run the risk of turning Obama into a figure of pity, someone who tried to do good things but wasn’t quite up to the job. Not that I believe that - I frankly think he’s a Castro or a Chavez wanna-be - but a successful prosecution could lead to that perception.

It was a good movie, except for the love interest subplot, which was dull beyond words. It was interesting to see Hawaii and Yosemite in 1954, too - unspoiled, untouched.


25 posted on 02/24/2013 10:35:33 AM PST by redpoll
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Over the course of human history there has been an endless stream of people who wanted to destroy their own government.

Until now all of them have had to good sense to stay the path of destruction WHEN THEY TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT!


26 posted on 02/24/2013 10:41:47 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: AFret.
"He should be referred to as..”Old Yellowstain”...yeah..'

Are you familiar with Obama's poem, "Pop"?

If not you may want to google it. You'll see that appellation is not only appropriate, but disturbingly so.

27 posted on 02/24/2013 10:43:07 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: null and void

Ping


28 posted on 02/24/2013 10:46:12 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: redpoll
I frankly think he’s a Castro or a Chavez wanna-be - but a successful prosecution could lead to that perception.

He is a self-admitted Lincoln/Kennedy wannabe.

I think he'll get his wish.

We'll get President Biden.

Biden will get Vice President Hillary!™

She will become President Hillary!™ on or after January 21, 2015, making her eligible for two full elected terms thereafter, 10 years less one day of President Hillary!™...

29 posted on 02/24/2013 10:48:53 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void

>>>He is a self-admitted Lincoln/Kennedy wannabe.

I think he’ll get his wish.

We’ll get President Biden.

Biden will get Vice President Hillary!™

She will become President Hillary!™ on or after January 21, 2015, making her eligible for two full elected terms thereafter, 10 years less one day of President Hillary!™...<<<<

In that case, the proper film allusion would be “The Manchurian Candidate.” Hillary DOES look a lot like Angela Lansbury.


30 posted on 02/24/2013 10:56:17 AM PST by redpoll
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To: redpoll

“Hillary Clinton is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”


31 posted on 02/24/2013 10:59:03 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void
I know what he is...


32 posted on 02/24/2013 11:06:55 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: null and void
Both the Dear Leader and his lapdogs in the media like to draw comparisons between Lincoln and Obama.

Yesterday one of the programs on C-SPAN featured Chris DeRose discussing his book on Lincoln as a Congressman. Lincoln's one term was during Polk's Presidency. Lincoln observed Polk run roughshod over Congress and DeRose thought that caused Lincoln as President to go out of his way to cultivate Congress and make them feel like they were included in the process.

In other words, as far removed from Obama's modus operandi as possible.

Actually, once you get past "skinny lawyer" and "resident of Illinois," it's hard to think of any ways that Lincoln and Obama are alike.

33 posted on 02/24/2013 11:08:16 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yep. They are polar opposites, except in obama’s and the media’s PR.


34 posted on 02/24/2013 11:14:50 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void
Ubama is a community organizer who never did anything of note in his entire life except promote himself - - of course he's now in over his head. By offering ever more "free stuff" to his party's base of moochers and tapping into white guilt, Ubama found himself in the White House. Easy as pie. Ubama is an accident of history, but one that has been coming all along.

Our once-proud nation is dead and gone - - the parasites outnumber the hosts and there's no going back. The Democrats have won.
Congratulations, America.

35 posted on 02/24/2013 11:29:09 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Jim Noble

Totally agree. He is not an inept leader or simply in over his head. This is all done intentionally to destroy the United States. He hates the US and all it stands for. The big question is who has put him up to it and who controls him? How does a totally unaccomplished and cretin who gave a nice speech at at the 2004 DNC convention rise to POTUS?


36 posted on 02/24/2013 11:29:25 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: null and void
When it hit the fan in Benghazi ObozoQueeg disappeared BUT GOOD from the action side of the Bridge...
37 posted on 02/24/2013 11:38:19 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: hattend
Seems to me he is pretty shrewd and indeed has a plan.

Obama is Pinocchio, standing behind him is "Geppetto"
who may actually be a cabal of powerful men,
working secretly through their puppet.

Geppetto has the plan...

Obama gets the immediate spoils...

Geppetto gets to see the US economy crash
which will bring chaos to the world economy!

Why? Because they will inherit a "depopulated" world.

Regards,
GtG

PS Old Chinese curse:
"May you live in interesting times!"

38 posted on 02/24/2013 11:46:18 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: TalBlack; rodguy911
It didn't go as planned. Amb Smith was supposed to be kidnapped so The Won could ride to the rescue and "negotiate" his freedom right before the election.

The optics would have been perfect, obama is no Jimmuh Carter, he can make these muzzies bend to (the pre-arranged treason) his will!

The terrorist would have gotten the blind sheik, obama would have gotten his election without massive voter fraud (Plan B).

As rodguy911 has speculated elsewhere, Once the terrorists hired by ozero encountered Woods and Doherty and lost 60 of their ilk they probably thought they had been double crossed and at that point did what they usually do to gay infidels.

Does anyone here think this is implausible?

39 posted on 02/24/2013 11:52:22 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: redpoll

I would disagree completely and wholeheartedly with the comparison between the Capt. Queeg character and Barack Obama.

It is hard to feel anything but sympathy for Queeg in the end. The lawyer Greenwald said it best: Queeg just cracked. The job had likely always been bigger than Queeg, but Queeg couldn’t face accepting that, and so, when the opportunities arose for command, he took them.

Queeg if real, would have undoubtedly been a patriotic naval officer.

I had the pleasure of watching “Twelve O’Clock High” recently after having seen it many, many years ago. I was struck by a parallel between General Savage and Captain Queeg, in that they both cracked. But Queeg did not have the luxury of good looks and a well of accomplishment, nor the people skills to change the perception of himself in the eyes of those he commanded. And likely not the professional naval skills as well. He was a plodder, who, as the lawyer Greenwald opined, had been manning the ramparts with little pay and no recognition while everyone else was yukking it up at college. Queeg may have once had some skills, but those were completely smothered by his personal faults when they came to the fore in the crucible of combat.

That is why, when General Savage cracked, his men understood, and in that poigniant scene, the man he himself had replaced undressed him and put him to bed with the tenderness of a bride of many years.

When Queeg cracked, his men turned on him like wolves. But as Greenwald saw with Queeg, and Colonel Keith Davenport saw with General Savage, they had nothing to be ashamed of. They just couldn’t take it anymore, like lots of good men in those situations.

In my mind, both fictional characters above were basically good men who simply couldn’t take it.

What I see in Barack Obama is 100% diametrically opposed to both of those men. He actively sought power, sold his soul along the way, ruthlessly destroyed those who got in his way, and most importantly, is no patriot. He harbors no love of this country past the power he has been able to gain to run it.

He actively wishes to destroy it and re-make it in the image of Bill Ayers and Saul Alinsky. If he succeeds, that won’t be America.

Funny. When I read this article, it both angered and offended me to even have this piece of crap in the White House spoken in the same sentence as a fictional character of a man like Captain Queeg.

It was an insult to a flawed, broken man like Queeg to even be compared. Even though he was fiction. And that is because it either intentionally or unintentionally inbues Obama and his situation with something that doesn’t belong there: sympathy.


40 posted on 02/24/2013 11:58:17 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: rlmorel
Interesting comparison.

I think that Savage was competent, where Queeg was not. Savage was a General. Queeg never made it to Admiral.

Queeg was commanding a minesweeper (which he thought was beneath him), while Savage was commanding a squadron of flying fortresses - front-line duty.

Queeg had only one ship to fix. Savage had a base of over 20 planes of unit cohesion to fix (the Leper Colony tactic).

Queeg displayed poor judgement on mundane assignments, but Savage excelled at commanding a base and his own aircraft.

Where Savage cracked was during the accumulation of many stressful missions, and where he couldn't fly with his men and had to wait for their return. It was the suspense of not knowing that got to him.

Queeg was a paranoid schizophrenic. He was alternately friendly with his crew and then obsessively suspicious of them. Savage was a confident man of authority and accomplishment.

Obama is neither. He has no accomplishemnts to his name, he steals the accomplishments of others. Obama is a narcissistic sociopath, who was raised to feel supremely better than everyone else, always right, deserving of anything he wants, willing to do whatever is expedient to remove others from his path, and undeserving of any consequence of his actions.

-PJ

41 posted on 02/24/2013 12:21:10 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Good discussion!

LOL, amazing what one word can engender...I did say

"...I was struck by a parallel between General Savage and Captain Queeg, in that they both cracked..."

I suppose the other parallel was that they both would likely have loved their country (as much as fictional characters can)

I agree with all you said, but I will make one more point on that...people do crack under the pressure of war in different ways, or so I gather from what I have read, having never served in combat, thank God.

The point I make there is that someone like Savage had much, MUCH larger shoulders than someone like Queeg and could handle a heavier load. That was just the way it was. But it is probably also true that the load an average pilot or soldier may be EQUALLY large in proportion, even though it is clear that someone who commands 1000 men instead of just his own survival probably carries a larger load, comparitively speaking. I think of the problems of a four year old kid...those problems seem silly to us, but..to the narrow four year old shoulders, they might be a huge burden.

That said, we are in complete agreement on Obama. I would have an infinite store of compassion, default respect and forbearance for either Savage or Queeg comparitively speaking, than I would for any action in Obama's life.

Both "The Caine Mutiny" and "Twelve O'Clock High" have impressed me as object lessons about leadership, in much the same way I view the book "Once An Eagle". I will say that "The Caine Mutiny" is more a lesson on conduct when being commanded by someone who is less than...er...exemplary. In all walks of life, military and civilian, one is asked to work under all manner of people.

I have always regarded Greenwald's lecture to the mutineers about their treatment of Queeg as a nugget of behavioral roadmapping. Especially in the military. You have to serve. And you often don't have any control whatsoever over who is chosen to command you.

In my opinion, the only rational and competent approach is to do all you can to fulfill the mission of the person you work under, and help. If the guy is a turd, he's gonna be a turd. But you have to look in the mirror every day.

After Greenwald's speech, Lt. Maryk comes to the same conclusion, and it has always impressed me (even though it was just a movie) that it is better to give all your support and loyalty to your superior, and look back after failure and feel that you did all you could, rather than looking at it with regret and realizing you might have saved not only the mission and your superior, but also your self respect.

Ya gotta play the hand you are dealt to the best of your abilities, and I have always thought "The Caine Mutiny" was a great demonstraton of the pitfalls of scheming and collaborating rather than simply doing your job with the success of the mission in mind.

Furthermore, I have adopted the outlook that I want my boss to be successful (as long as success is defined correctly in the mission!) so...I never feel that I can go wrong, if my boss is not being immoral or cutting throats (figuratively speaking). As long as the mission is professional, I can stay on focus with it and do all I can to support my boss. It has worked for me through a lot of bosses, and helps me manage those under me.

42 posted on 02/24/2013 3:12:22 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: null and void

I think a better title would be “Obama’s Berlin Bunker Moment”.


43 posted on 02/24/2013 3:14:03 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Jim Noble; null and void

He’s insane, stupid, evil, being handled by others who are also insane and evil; maybe not exactly stupid. Clever. But they have no wisdom. And their evil blinds them.

0m0zlem would never be where he is were it not for being handled and guided 100% of the time. Told what to say, what to sign, etc. He’s brain damaged from drugs, from fagdom, and from being a total emotional wreck. He’s damaged, deranged and identifies with communism, muzlimizm and faggotry.

The Evil Trifecta.


45 posted on 02/24/2013 3:24:38 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: null and void

It’s not implausible but I don’t think it’s correct.

I think the raid on the “consulate” was a diversion, intended to draw defenses away from the “annex”, which was the target. They wanted whatever was in the so-called warehouse, and they got it.

The unexpectedly ferocious defense at the “consulate” (which wasn’t one) caused a ramped up attack that set it on fire and accidentally killed Stevens by smoke inhalation. He was not the target, he was collateral damage in this scenario.

The events in Benghazi were caused by a complex attack by foreign forces on whoever and whatever was going on at the “annex”. We still no virtually nothing about that facility, including who was there, what they were doing, what was in the “warehouse”, and, most importantly, where the evacuees were taken, what happened to them, and where they are now.

This had almost nothing to do with Stevens, except, of course, that he got dead.


46 posted on 02/24/2013 3:26:15 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: null and void

Hitler was #1 & #2.


47 posted on 02/24/2013 3:28:40 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: null and void
Does anyone here think this is implausible?

I don't think it's implausible, but I think the stories of the mobs yelling "Obama, Obama, there are still a billion Osamas" is the clue.

Others have already speculated that Obama was using Stevens to broker the arming of the Syrian rebels through al Qaeda in Libya. It was Obama repeatedly crowing during the campaign that he got Osama bin Laden that caused the al Qaeda middlemen to double-cross Obama in retaliation.

-PJ

48 posted on 02/24/2013 4:29:29 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: rlmorel

Please accept this note as appreciation and respect. One of the many reasons I come here to Free Republic, and I have chosen to be politically conservative, is that we share the kinds of conversations you and I just had about “The Caine Mutiny.” No invective, no swear words, no cliches, just reasoned and interesting discourse. I’ve been over at the Daily Kos and the Democrat Underground and seen what goes for discussion on the left side of the spectrum. Thanks for your lengthy discussion, and I’m putting “Twelve O’Clock High” on the Netflix list.


49 posted on 02/24/2013 4:50:30 PM PST by redpoll
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To: redpoll

You are most welcome, redpoll, and I agree.

Have you ever seen “Twelve O’Clock High”? (You can stream it, by the way!)

My brother had never seen it...he thought it was one of the best movies he had seen about WWII. He was mistaking the movie for the television series, which is apparently quite different.

See you in the forums, FRiend...:)


50 posted on 02/24/2013 5:35:12 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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