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Ballsy Law Student Schools Uninformed Law Officer on Gun Rights (Video)
The Gateway Pundit ^ | 2/24/13 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 02/24/2013 10:47:59 AM PST by Nachum

Guest Post by Mara Zebest

A video posted at the end of 2012 (a couple of months back) is gaining some steam now due to the current gun debate. A Facebook posting offers the following overview:

You will LOVE this video! Share it if you want MORE people (including policemen) to understand this!

Watch what happens when a policeman illegally stops a law student for carrying a gun… and the law student schools him on how he’s broken the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ballsy; banglist; gun; guncontrol; law; secondamendment; student
FYI

Vid at link

1 posted on 02/24/2013 10:48:07 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

BOOYAH! I love it, he FINALLY forced the cop to admit that he had no grounds for stopping him and made the cop let him go with his gun.


2 posted on 02/24/2013 11:04:40 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Nachum

Most cops are ignorant of the law, but worse, they are generally cops because they have a chip on their shoulders. At least in this case the cop remained calm and was willing to carry on a conversation with the law student. In a lot of places, if the student had “failed the attitude test” he would’ve been subdued, handcuffed and run in.


3 posted on 02/24/2013 11:10:32 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Nachum
Very good on the law. Could have been more polite and professional towards the officer even if he did set it up. Tone of voice not quite right indicating hostility. Should have given first name and been nice and then stated the facts. Overall...good demonstration of the law.

However, not good to carry any handgun openly anywhere especially in this day and time unless one is an officer. Just not wise.

4 posted on 02/24/2013 11:11:45 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
In a lot of places, if the student had “failed the attitude test” he would’ve been subdued, handcuffed and run in.

I agree. We have seen that scenario play out before. The cop attacks the civilian and gets away with it. If there is a lawsuit after, the dept. pays off the plaintiff, but only after he/she is made to suffer a great deal.

5 posted on 02/24/2013 11:12:47 AM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

One of my daughters starts law school in the fall, I hope she grows a pair as big as this dude.


6 posted on 02/24/2013 11:13:46 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Nachum

That’s exactly what happened to 2 women here in texas recently. They didn’t stand up for their rights and were body cavity searched right on the side of the highway by the highway patrol, all caught on video. You can see it on youtube.


7 posted on 02/24/2013 11:16:39 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In before someone whines that the citizen was being an Ahole for not cooperating with the police.


8 posted on 02/24/2013 11:29:49 AM PST by Rebelbase ( .223, .224, whatever it takes....)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
However, not good to carry any handgun openly anywhere especially in this day and time unless one is an officer. Just not wise.

Bull Crap.... to the 10th degree.

Twice I have avoided being shot (one incident) and the other time it prevented possible harm to me and my dog because the person complained that my dog was on on a leash while her (and her whimp husband) had about 15 dogs of which only two were on a leash.

I now carry my pistol virtually everywhere I go.

9 posted on 02/24/2013 11:40:54 AM PST by jongaltsr
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Know your rights and do not be pressured or intimidated into willingly forfeiting or self-censuring your own freedoms.
10 posted on 02/24/2013 11:41:11 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Nachum

A few things: first of all, be very aware that this situation could have quickly “Rodney King’ed”, not just over the gun, but of video recording the police officer. While he might be completely in the right, and would win a big settlement in court, he still might end up in the hospital.

For this reason, the best education you can give a police officer is before such incidents happen in the first place.

Remember that a lot of the gun liberty laws are brand new for everyone, and while LEOs are supposed to be up on the law, in truth they are more like feline predators, looking for something to pounce on. And then figure it out after. It is in the nature of the job.

Once the police are used to the idea of the new gun liberty laws, when they got a call from some hysteric of “a man with a gun”, they would have explained the situation to them, instead of confronting the gun holder.

But it will take a little while.

In a place not used to open or concealed carry, it is not a bad idea to give the managers of businesses you frequent a one page handout to show to their employees, giving a little instruction instead of unintentionally causing a fuss because they don’t know.

The best result is, “Oh, he comes here now and then. He carries a gun. No big deal.”


11 posted on 02/24/2013 12:05:46 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Nachum

Not too long ago, the cop would have clubbed the kid, took his gun, and arrested him for disorderly conduct and maybe even assault on an officer.

That has changed now that everything gets recorded on video.

Which is why cops hate being recorded.


12 posted on 02/24/2013 12:07:44 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: Nachum

Nice job! Glad he won. He should get a ‘A’ for some class in law school!

It is too bad they don’t teach the police the law, too, but I do commend the cop for keeping cool.

Of course, the cop might have known the law and just used the typical cop language and power attitude to try to intimidate the guy. The way he gave up indicates that might be the case.

If the cop was on roids the cop might have shoved the guy’s face through the sidewalk. “Screw the law, em-effer! One more word out of you and you’re dead!”

Man, we should write down the kid’s script, print it up on cards, and hand it out to all CC folks. NRA, get on this project, pronto!


13 posted on 02/24/2013 12:08:49 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Nachum

If the illegal stop cut into his schedule and cost him money then he has a TORT against the officer, and since illegally stopping people isn’t part of his duties I’m pretty sure simply having a badge would provide NO defense against a tort claim.

Kid should sue him for $100, for practice, I think.


14 posted on 02/24/2013 12:13:37 PM PST by gaijin
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To: The Sons of Liberty
you are correct: they always pull out their ace.. "disorderly conduct" or "refusing an officers orders".

BOTH of these overly abused charges should be erased from the books across the board.

15 posted on 02/24/2013 12:17:09 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: lonevoice

ping


16 posted on 02/24/2013 12:25:51 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: tuffydoodle

Personally, I would hope she stayed ball-less.


17 posted on 02/24/2013 12:27:01 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Nachum

For later


18 posted on 02/24/2013 12:40:46 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: EricT.

Which is why some cops will flat out lie and tell you it is illegal to video them while they attempt to intimidate you into behaving like a good and servile little slave.


19 posted on 02/24/2013 12:40:57 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Nachum

For later


20 posted on 02/24/2013 12:43:44 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Nachum

DeBerry v. US. I MUST remember that one.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1027378.html

JoMa


21 posted on 02/24/2013 12:58:15 PM PST by joma89
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To: jongaltsr
I wrote not to carry openly. That was the only point made.
22 posted on 02/24/2013 12:59:33 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Pride in the USA

Brave guy. He could easily have ended up tasered, cuffed, beaten, hogtied, thrown in the back of the patrol car, or even dead. I’m grateful for people of more courage than I.

Thanks for the ping.


23 posted on 02/24/2013 1:11:33 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That would certainly be the case here in New Jersey. Here, for the most part, not all mind you, not all cops are bad ,but for the most part cops in New Jersey are little more than thugs with a badge. And God help you if you’re stopped by the NJ State Police. Even if you’re ‘’free, white and over 21’’you’re in a world of sh!t if they decide they don’t like how you look and sound.


24 posted on 02/24/2013 1:14:57 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Nachum

Police can try a consensual conversation...perfectly justified in doing so. Hopefully the carrying party understands the dynamics in play and not be a di@@ about it. If the carryer insists on leaving, without any reasonable suspicion, police must let them walk.


25 posted on 02/24/2013 1:17:51 PM PST by bike800
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Tone of voice not quite right indicating hostility.

Ah, so his correctness/incorrectness or guilt/innocence is determined by tons of voice?

There are people who will dismiss your argument if you are enthusiastic/excited, as if any emotion invalidates your position... and there are those who will dismiss the "calm cool"/dispassionate tone as being uninvolved/detached.

Obviously there is no way that one can disagree in a legitimate fashion.

26 posted on 02/24/2013 1:28:47 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachum

Good thing the student wasn’t walking a dog.


27 posted on 02/24/2013 1:32:25 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Nachum

The most instructive point here is that the officer repeatedly dodged the question of whether simply carrying a gun was illegal. He literally had a “papers, please” mentality.


28 posted on 02/24/2013 1:43:40 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Openly or concealed - it doesn’t matter.
It still involves the same Constitutional Right.
Different states intrepid those right somewhat differently but when it comes right down to it - to hell with the difference in definitions - it is the right to protect yourself that is paramount. I will always defy any governmental law when it come to self preservation.


29 posted on 02/24/2013 1:55:03 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: FunkyZero

Or obstruction. Then comes “Calm down” and then “Stop resisting”. They simply paint you into a corner you can’t get out of.


30 posted on 02/24/2013 2:11:05 PM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

You are right, but even lawyers and judges need to look up laws that are cited in court. Expecting a cop to know all laws might be expecting too much. That said both parties seemed to handle the situation well. Once the cop figured out this young man could site case law and his supervisor showed up things went well. I don’t know where the balance lies with cops and armed civilians but this was a good example of knowing what to say, steroid pumped cop aside. Thank goodness for the young man.


31 posted on 02/24/2013 2:21:06 PM PST by spudville
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Very good on the law. Could have been more polite and professional towards the officer even if he did set it up. Tone of voice not quite right indicating hostility. Should have given first name and been nice and then stated the facts. Overall...good demonstration of the law.
However, not good to carry any handgun openly anywhere especially in this day and time unless one is an officer. Just not wise.

??????????????????????????????????

Slide on over to DU where you belong. You are so full of your ignorant self; lecturing on how this guy should not exercise his rights. Rights not exercised are rights lost.


32 posted on 02/24/2013 3:25:43 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Nachum
That was excellent! That young man knew exactly what to say and how to say it. Keep in mind that that won't work out quite that way in every jurisdiction in the country but he obviously knows the law well enough to know how to proceed if the cops do decided to break the law.

Good primer on how to deal with a stop like that. Bookmarked.

33 posted on 02/24/2013 3:38:49 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: FunkyZero
you are correct: they always pull out their ace.. "disorderly conduct" or "refusing an officers orders".

BOTH of these overly abused charges should be erased from the books across the board.

You forgot the ever popular "creating a public nuisance". An oldie but a goodie!

Regards,
GtG

34 posted on 02/24/2013 3:43:37 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Nachum

Happened in portland maine.


35 posted on 02/24/2013 3:45:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I couldn’t disagree with you more on every point. We will not retain our rights by tip-toeing around them. He was as polite as the situation called for, showed no hostility and there is no “conversation on a person to person basis” happening when an officer of the law stops you in the course of his duties and disarms you. Everything you do and say and everything the officer does and says is strictly a legal matter.


36 posted on 02/24/2013 3:48:21 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: joma89

Thanks for posting the link. Bookmarked.


37 posted on 02/24/2013 3:55:15 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

“Most cops are ignorant of the law,”

Further, due to most of the population being ignorant of the law, Big Brother’s Thugs overstep their bounds purposefully because they know of the ignorance of the public.

This fool knew the law. He just happened to pick on someone who knew the law, too.


38 posted on 02/24/2013 5:23:53 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

No, no, no. The Office must establish the valid reason for the stop.


39 posted on 02/24/2013 5:44:45 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Lion Den Dan
Slide on over to DU where you belong.

After this, it degenerated into name-calling. A lot of accusations are flying about how folks here border on despotic. I've been here for MANY years and have never been told to go to DU. I have no other response other than to say, "Make me."

40 posted on 02/24/2013 6:46:21 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: TigersEye
there is no “conversation on a person to person basis” happening when an officer of the law stops you

That is for DAMN sure. Same as "off the record" with a reporter.

They are both conning you into saying something that vaguely incriminates you and then you are cooked. The reporter can make you look bad.

The cop can lock you up.

A young relative of mine got conned that way by a SOB cop and ended up in jail for a few hours in a nice orange jumpsuit for obstruction of justice. It was a supposed hit and run with damage on private property. There is no way on earth he could have done what the cop said he did. Physically impossible. But the SOB cop got buddy-buddy with him by having a 'friendly conversation.' Bull$4!t.

The only time the cop is anywhere near your friend is when he thinks some other guy did the deed. If he doesn't have that guy, then YOU are the guy and he is going to do and say anything he can to pin it on you. Guaranteed.

The cop said he knew the kid was guilty and he would go easy on him if he just admitted his guilt. Then then he got him all flustered and twisted his words around, and when the kid said the words close enough to what the cop was looking for, bingo, on go the handcuffs for 'lying' to the cop.

The judge saw through it based on a lot of good photographic evidence.

Now the kid hates cops, even though his uncle was a good one, and he knows now to STFU when they talk to him.

41 posted on 02/24/2013 6:49:24 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
There are three rules when dealing with the cops. #1 Keep your mouth shut. #2 Keep your mouth shut! #3 Keep your mouth shut!!!

If you're going to violate any of those rules you had better a) know the law as well as the guy in this video does and b) have the same kind of emotional discipline as he demonstrated. Neither one of those things comes easy.

42 posted on 02/24/2013 6:55:58 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: spudville
even lawyers and judges need to look up laws that are cited in court

But you know the cop knew the law. When the kid stated enough cases, the cop knew he was 'outgunned' and gave up. If he didn't know the law, he would have arrested the kid. And, of course, he kid's head would be split open on the roof of the car when he "resisted" arrest. Maybe not by this cop, who seemed rational, but certainly by some others. See my post 41.

43 posted on 02/24/2013 6:57:20 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I've been here for MANY years and have never been told to go to DU. I have no other response other than to say, "Make me."

Perhaps you have been here too many years. Your remarks reduce you to Troll status. As far as "making you" slide over to DU, there is no need; you will take your self.

44 posted on 02/25/2013 5:40:23 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

You are insulting the wrong person. No further response.


45 posted on 02/25/2013 6:53:36 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Lion Den Dan
As far as "making you" slide over to DU, there is no need; you will take your self.

I will be here long after you are molding.

46 posted on 02/25/2013 6:54:34 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Nachum

The video was removed.
Anyone know where else it might be?


47 posted on 02/25/2013 7:06:29 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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