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Transit officials call for restrictions if concealed carry law is enacted
Chicago Tribune ^ | February 23, 2013 | By Monique Garcia and Richard Wronski

Posted on 02/24/2013 8:34:39 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

Worried transit officials asked lawmakers to imagine a CTA train packed with inebriated, possibly irate fans after a Cubs night game, then consider the wisdom of adding gun-toting passengers to the potentially volatile mix.

Or what if a thief grabbed a bus rider's iPhone — a not-uncommon crime — and an armed commuter tried to stop the criminal?

Those scenarios were raised Friday by Chicago transit officials, who called on state legislators to prohibit anyone from carrying a weapon on buses and trains if a concealed-carry law is adopted in Illinois.

Transit agencies across the state contend that allowing individuals to carry firearms on buses and trains would be dangerous, even catastrophic, because "interpersonal conflicts are commonplace" among passengers, testified Jeanne Wrenn, a Pace official.

The issue boiled up at a House Judiciary Committee hearing in Chicago the same day that a divided federal appeals court rejected Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's request for a rehearing on the case in which the state has been ordered to allow citizens to carry guns in public. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at articles.chicagotribune.com ...


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KEYWORDS: chicago; chicagotransit; chicagovalues; chicagoway; concealedcarry; idiots; ilcarry; transit

1 posted on 02/24/2013 8:34:43 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

>>Or what if a thief grabbed a bus rider’s iPhone — a not-uncommon crime — and an armed commuter tried to stop the criminal?<<

A lot fewer iPhone thefts. Guaranteed.


2 posted on 02/24/2013 8:37:33 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

OMG WHAT IF STRONG-ARM THEFT DECREASED...?!?!?!!

(oh-no’s silhouette cartoon guy running back and forth with arms raised)


3 posted on 02/24/2013 8:39:32 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Oh, the horror. Just imagine, law abiding citizens would be allowed to protect themselves from murderous thugs in Chicago and elsewhere in Illinois..


4 posted on 02/24/2013 8:42:11 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: freedumb2003

>>Or what if a thief grabbed a bus rider’s iPhone — a not-uncommon crime — and an armed commuter tried to stop the criminal?<<

This is ridiculous. It’s like they just expect to have cell phones stolen while on the train.

I guess it has become the norm.


5 posted on 02/24/2013 8:42:11 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Or what if a thief grabbed a bus rider's iPhone — a not-uncommon crime — and an armed commuter tried to stop the criminal?

Yes...and?

6 posted on 02/24/2013 8:43:24 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: freedumb2003

Big city people have come to the point where they accept mugging as a normal part of life, and they want to force everyone else to see things their way.


7 posted on 02/24/2013 8:44:13 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Or what if a thief grabbed a bus rider's iPhone — a not-uncommon crime — and an armed commuter tried to stop the criminal?

and did even a single person say anything about ways to stop the thief? No? Just ways to stop the victim from defending themselves?

8 posted on 02/24/2013 8:47:11 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar
This from Chicago Channel 7-ABC two days ago:

. . .With the clock ticking, state legislators must fashion a concealed carry law that answers some basics: What are the requirements for a permit? What kind of training? What areas should be off-limits to concealed carry?

“Sporting events, farmers markets, street fairs, there are so many places that people gather. We want to make sure that people can't carry at those,” Colleen Daley, Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said.

“It would be a recipe for disaster,” Forrest Claypool, CTA president, said.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local/illinois&id=9002745

9 posted on 02/24/2013 8:47:54 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

You have to ‘think’ like a liberal.
Granted, if more people are armed, the chances of random, violent crime will drop sooner rather than later.

Now, if you take normal street crime away from petty thieves, that just puts more of ‘them’ out of work.

It will basically be the same premise as speed and red light cameras. If they do what they are designed to do - reduce speeding and red light running,— while it is a ‘good’ thing, in the mind of the people that supply the ‘safety’ equipment it is a bad thing, if people DON’T break the law, they go out of business, or at the least, don’t make any money..

Much the same reason the ‘War’ on terror, ‘War’ on drugs, ‘War’ on crime will NEVER end...too much money to be lost and the unemployment rate would skyrocket....


10 posted on 02/24/2013 8:49:12 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This comes closer to confirming what I suspected all along- when criminals get into elected office, they disarm the citizens to help other criminals operate.


11 posted on 02/24/2013 8:51:27 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Defense-free zones.


12 posted on 02/24/2013 8:57:45 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Sporting events, farmers markets, street fairs, there are so many places that people gather. We want to make sure that people can't carry at those,” Colleen Daley, Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said.

Attention all serial murderers: there ya go. A guaranteed target rich environment.

13 posted on 02/24/2013 8:58:48 PM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: xrmusn

You have to ‘think’ like a liberal.

Tends to give me headaches, I try not to do this often :)


14 posted on 02/24/2013 9:01:49 PM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Brad from Tennessee

All because urban black people can’t control their damn emotions.


15 posted on 02/24/2013 9:06:55 PM PST by Clock King
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I believe - no, I know - that criminals are very adept at scanning their surroundings for easy victims to act against, and also for the sort of person it is better not to mess with. Without a rather uncanny ability in this skill, Darwin makes sure they don’t last long.

I also know that people who carry concealed have a subtle something, a certain quiet air about them, a sober, settled quality they project that I’m convinced a criminal can pick up on.

I think the man’s fears are not about what might happen, but about what might not happen.

An armed society is a polite society.


16 posted on 02/24/2013 9:07:57 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The old discredited blood in the streets garbage...


17 posted on 02/24/2013 9:09:31 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.b)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

So the presumption is that a responsible, armed civilian will kill another because of a petty theft?

I don’t think so...


18 posted on 02/24/2013 9:11:59 PM PST by FatherFig1o155 (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I don’t own a car,
because i want MY money to go far.
I don’t ride a bicycle,
because the local hicks weave on the white lines!
I don’t walk, as far anymore,
because my PAD legs get sore.
I don’t take a cab,
because its 20 bucks to the country mile.

Soooo, all ye Chi-cah-go aldermen,
I ride my Louisiana ‘grandma shopping mall’
transit system, stay inside the parish,
with my license in my wallet, and either
off-the-body, or on-the-body, off I go!

The liberals still hate Bernard Goetz!

Long Live The Republic!


19 posted on 02/24/2013 9:18:59 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Brad from Tennessee

There are a lot of guns on CTA trains and buses RIGHT NOW IN CHICAGO all being toted by gangsta youths and gang bangers.

White people and law abiding Blacks ride at your own peril.

FURE and your buttmate Obama


20 posted on 02/24/2013 9:18:59 PM PST by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: FatherFig1o155

you sure about that?


21 posted on 02/24/2013 9:25:51 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Clock King
All because some urban black people can’t control their damn emotions.

Some, my friend, some. Let's not paint with an overly broad brush here.

22 posted on 02/24/2013 9:41:49 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: freedumb2003

One wonders why that isn’t obvious enough that the question would go unasked.


23 posted on 02/24/2013 9:44:03 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: GeronL

Or what if a thief grabbed a bus rider’s iPhone — a not-uncommon crime — and an armed commuter tried to stop the criminal?
and did even a single person say anything about ways to stop the thief? No? Just ways to stop the victim from defending themselves?


Dead on target.


24 posted on 02/24/2013 9:46:33 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

People in Illinois are to stupid to make decisions for them selves about how, where and when to defend themselves so the Liberal idiots have to regulate so it null in voids the CCL.


25 posted on 02/24/2013 9:57:26 PM PST by WilliamRobert (God Bless Texas)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; All

I believe it is hilarious when you can get the gun-control minions to “What if”...

I guess they are worried that the voting pool will be cleansed/purged if a number of their malcontents are expunged because of their criminal activity...

What a shame that might be “if” it ever happens...


26 posted on 02/24/2013 10:45:59 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

These kind of articles always make me wonder where these scenarios are playing out - exactly where are drunks being shot on trains, etc.? Lots of cities in concealed carry states (like Texas and Florida) have trains and buses and no doubt lots of armed civilians - so where is the bloodbath.

Or perhaps they’re really scared of something else. That a gun will really be used in self-defense against a band of “locals” that make a career out of robbing IDIOTS from the suburbs that think it’s safe to go to the city for culture and crap like that. For now the city elders can just deny it ever happens, as the media won’t report it, since it “stigmatizes” protected classes of society - but when those IDIOTS start shooting back (and I only call them idiots because they go there in the first place), it will have to be reported - and that will pretty much be the end of “downtown” for millions of people, and billions of dollars.


27 posted on 02/24/2013 11:34:05 PM PST by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: BobL
Lots of cities in concealed carry states (like Texas and Florida) have trains and buses and no doubt lots of armed civilians - so where is the bloodbath.

But...but, these cities and states have lower crime rates. No liberal is ever going to see the connection between concealed carry and lower crimes rates.

28 posted on 02/24/2013 11:59:18 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Nailbiter

You have to ‘think’ like a liberal.

Tends to give me headaches, I try not to do this often :)
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
I realize it is ‘hard’ BUT it is about the only way to maintain any semblance of sanity.

The thing that bothers me most is when I ‘adapt’ that ‘think’ theory it does make some sense and THAT is scary.

It is like reading some of the satire and in your mind you know it isn’t true BUT you also realize it very well could be.


29 posted on 02/25/2013 12:46:08 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: xrmusn

It is like reading John Semmens posts- you just have to say WTF

Sanity and liberal speak in same sentence - never I thought I would see that LOL


30 posted on 02/25/2013 1:34:58 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"Or what if a thief grabbed a bus rider's iPhone — a not-uncommon crime — and an armed commuter tried to stop the criminal?"

Oh the horrors. What if the citizens shot the criminal and threw him off the train. Why, that might make other criminals hesitate to rob people on trains.

31 posted on 02/25/2013 2:10:32 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

It’s almost like the thieves in government want to protect their fellow criminals


32 posted on 02/25/2013 5:58:48 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Nailbiter

Sanity and liberal speak in same sentence - never I thought I would see that LOL
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
It is an ‘easy’ mix/fix....

All you must do (to think like a lib) is take a subject, read it, disect the part you like and trash the rest of it.
Also, take a statement/book/editorial, arrive at a logical conclusion, get the references, study it thoroughly— THEN and only THEN— completely reverse YOUR way of thinking/reasoning and you arrive at ‘lib speak’.


33 posted on 02/25/2013 6:26:22 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: CurlyDave

“But...but, these cities and states have lower crime rates. No liberal is ever going to see the connection between concealed carry and lower crimes rates.”

Oh they do. They know more about gun control and its implications than the NRA could ever dream of knowing. The problem is that they have a CLEAR AGENDA to seize power and basically jail (or worse) everyone that disagrees with them.

They know the history. They know that in EVERY COUNTRY where they seize power, the economy tanks and people revolt. So they let crime get a bit out of control, and then they take the guns. Once that is accomplished they effectively outlaw political opposition.

Don’t EVER underestimate the intelligence of liberal leaders - they are not misguided - they are PURE EVIL. That simple.


34 posted on 02/25/2013 7:01:19 AM PST by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: GeronL

It is a continuing battle with the “elite” of this nation. Their attitude continues to be that they need to be protected because they are important. The rest of the people are not important, therefore their safety is of no consequence. It’s that simple!


35 posted on 02/25/2013 9:05:54 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: BobL
They know that in EVERY COUNTRY where they seize power, the economy tanks and people revolt.

They also know that if the causal connection between disarmed citizenry and crime were to penetrate too many people's Liberal Mind Fog, their efforts to disarm the public would be seen for what they really are. Their fear is not that concealed carry will cause a blood bath, but that it won't.

36 posted on 02/25/2013 3:17:38 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: GeronL
The thieves in Chicago do work with the gangs in order to get elected. follow this link:

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

37 posted on 02/25/2013 4:01:45 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: RC one

I think that responsible gun owners (and CCW owners) are sensible enough to know when it’s appropriate to use deadly force.

Do you disagree?


38 posted on 02/25/2013 8:27:30 PM PST by FatherFig1o155 (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
One major difference between CTA vehicles and commercial aircraft which I've not seen mentioned is that passengers on a commercial aircraft may check their firearm when boarding and receive it, at their destination, after disembarking, but the only practical means via which the CTA could allow passengers to have their firearm when they reach their destination would be for it to allow passengers to simply carry them. Even if CTA trains and buses were 100% crime-free, that wouldn't mean that travelers wouldn't need their weapons after reaching their destinations.
39 posted on 03/04/2013 4:13:18 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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