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The Miracle on Guns (Mega Barf Alert)
Real Clear Politics ^ | February 25, 2013 | E.J. Dionne

Posted on 02/24/2013 10:30:08 PM PST by Seizethecarp

A not-so-small miracle is unfolding before our eyes. After nearly two decades in which established opinion insisted that it would never again be possible to pass sensible regulations of firearms, the unthinkable is on the verge of happening.

This week, Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is expected to announce plans to start marking up gun bills to send to the Senate floor, proposals that will include ideas put before the country by President Obama and Vice President Biden. The president's agenda, in turn, was inspired by advocates and legislators, mayors and police chiefs, who have been working quietly in the wilderness for years.

Told over and over again that members of both parties were forever destined to do the National Rifle Association's bidding, these supporters of thoroughly moderate and reasonable weapons measures never gave up and never surrendered. Their time has come.

Behind the miracle, of course, lies the profound tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School and the loss of "26 beautiful lives," as Lynn McDonnell, mother of 7-year-old Grace McDonnell, one of those beautiful lives, put it at a conference in Connecticut last week.

Suddenly, Americans in large numbers (and the media, too) started noticing how extreme, even wacky, the rhetoric of the gun manufacturers' lobby has become. Their talk about representing the "real America" was exposed as a fraud: "Real" Americans don't resist pragmatic solutions to the problems of mass violence.

Oh, yes, and it was also finally noticed that a majority of Americans doesn't own guns, that gun ownership has dropped over time, and that this real majority does not want to be forced to live in a world in which everyone is terrorized into buying a weapon.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; gunrights; secondamendment; senate

1 posted on 02/24/2013 10:30:27 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Just when I thought E.J. Dionne couldn’t possibly get more delusional or in the bag for the Dems...


2 posted on 02/24/2013 10:32:04 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“gun ownership has dropped over time”

Time to send the guys in the white coats over to the Dionne residence...again!

AR-15s and ammo are backordered into the next decade by now...


4 posted on 02/24/2013 10:44:18 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

“this real majority does not want to be forced to live in a world in which everyone is terrorized into buying a weapon”

O’Bammy should resign immediately! That would take care of the problem, Mr. Dionne.


5 posted on 02/24/2013 10:47:26 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
“gun ownership has dropped over time”

65.4 Million Guns Bought Since Obama Took Office, 91% More Than Bush's First-Term Total

MOLON LAVE!

6 posted on 02/24/2013 10:54:12 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Seizethecarp

E.J.’s always good for a laugh.

Two things stand in the way of his wet dream: A Republican House and Harry Reid.

...oh yeah,,, A 100,000,000 screamin’ mad gun owners.


7 posted on 02/24/2013 10:54:55 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Seizethecarp

“Told over and over again that members of both parties were forever destined to do the National Rifle Association’s bidding, these supporters of thoroughly moderate and reasonable weapons measures never gave up and never surrendered. Their time has come.”

Their time has come to roll over again!


8 posted on 02/24/2013 10:56:32 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: All
A little more reality for E.J. ...

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months...

If the lefties keep pushing gun control in another two decades one out of two Americans may be gun owners instead of one out of three.

MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MORE. ;-)

9 posted on 02/24/2013 10:58:15 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Seizethecarp

The author

10 posted on 02/24/2013 11:03:01 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He's an old white man!!! Now I know where he's coming from...

The Racist Roots of Gun Control

11 posted on 02/24/2013 11:09:28 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
There is a bullet waiting..

No, it has not yet come to this.

Soon, perhaps, but not yet.

12 posted on 02/24/2013 11:14:02 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Huh... Then why do gun shops have lines for miles down the highway of people who want to get on the waiting list for future shipments of guns and ammo?


13 posted on 02/24/2013 11:19:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Seizethecarp
Just when I thought E.J. Dionne couldn’t possibly get more delusional or in the bag for the Dems...

E.J. Dionne is a useful weathervane for conservatives.

E.J.'s opinion are formed by his social circle -- including fellow libs at the Washington Post, liberal politicians of both parties and the liberal intelligentsia that "runs Washington".

His is a view into the mind of the elite liberal ruling class.

Which is to say they evidently really, really believe that, this time, they'll get away with it. They think they will get, at least, gun registration...and they won't have to pay a political price.

In other words, they think they have the Connstitution by the short hairs and that they are bulletproof. When it comes to the 2014 mid-terms the ramifications could be enormous.

Washington is the most insular city in the world.

14 posted on 02/24/2013 11:28:01 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Seizethecarp

Where’s Senator Byrd when we need him to pull his pocket constitution out and wave it around while berating his colleagues?


15 posted on 02/25/2013 12:03:42 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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No. We aren't socialists. That's their way. He'll just have to fend for himself in the "new normal" ...unarmed by choice.

I'm sure with his wit and intelligence he'll be able to charm his way into some sort of survival for his family and himself, as unpleasant and short as it will be.

16 posted on 02/25/2013 12:20:29 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Seizethecarp
Told over and over again that members of both parties were forever destined to do the National Rifle Association's bidding

I am the NRA and I am legion. Don't forget that liberals.

17 posted on 02/25/2013 3:01:03 AM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does this douch-bag spend time in S.F. bath houses? Looks like it.


18 posted on 02/25/2013 3:24:59 AM PST by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------- The New Gold)
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To: Seizethecarp

The Overton Window has already closed.


19 posted on 02/25/2013 5:57:37 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Seizethecarp

20 posted on 02/25/2013 6:25:20 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Redcloak
Two things stand in the way of his wet dream: A Republican House and Harry Reid.

Thanks for the laugh.

21 posted on 02/25/2013 6:31:07 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Seizethecarp

A little about this liberal:

NPR’s Shocking Turn: A Real Conservative Frustrates E.J. Dionne

By Matt Vespa | February 18, 2013

Last Friday’s All Things Considered segment on NPR was a real treat because David Brooks was absent, and therefore, couldn’t be his squishy self alongside liberal columnist E.J. Dionne. National Review’s Mona Charen, a real conservative, filled in for the New York Times pseudo-Republican, and effectively countered Dionne’s Obama cheerleading.

The two were asked by host Robert Siegel to analyze the president’s State of the Union address last week, and to no one’s surprise – that Dionne was fawning over the speech, while Charen took a more pragmatic approach.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa/2013/02/18/nprs-shocking-turn-real-conservative-frustrates-ej-dionne#ixzz2LvDuEXlu


22 posted on 02/25/2013 6:41:46 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: TigersEye
“gun ownership has dropped over time” "http://wfsb.images.worldnow.com/images/20562062_BG1.jpg">
23 posted on 02/25/2013 6:50:42 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Jim Robinson
"Where’s Senator Byrd when we need him to pull his pocket constitution out and wave it around while berating his colleagues?"
24 posted on 02/25/2013 6:59:06 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Seizethecarp
After nearly two decades in which established opinion insisted that it would never again be possible to pass sensible regulations of firearms...

Now that's just not true. If you repealed the current 20,000 or 22,000 or whatever it is grossly infringing laws, I'm sure even pro-rights people wouldn't mind having 5 or 10 new ones if they were sensible. (For real, not in some liberals's "mind")

25 posted on 02/25/2013 7:00:48 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Seizethecarp

ISRA COMMENDS ARTIST JOE FOURNIER FOR GUN SAFETY CARTOON

CONTACT: Richard Pearson, Illinois State Rifle Association, (815) 635-3198 WEB SITE: http://www.isra.org

SPRINGFIELD, IL - - The following was released today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA):

The ISRA is commending political cartoonist Joe Fournier for his courage in publishing a cartoon that plainly reveals the true sentiments of so-called “gun safety advocates.” The nationally syndicated cartoon, which appeared Sunday in the “Chicago Tribune,” depicts Vice President Joe Biden gleefully assassinating NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre with a shotgun. “Lawful firearm owners have known for a long time that the gun control movement wants us gone – by any means necessary,” said ISRA Executive Director Richard Pearson. “A few years ago, renegade Chicago priest Mike Pfleger openly called for the ‘snuffing’ of lawful firearm dealers and elected officials who oppose gun control. More recently, we heard Chicago Police Superintendent McCarthy say he would train and instruct his officers to shoot people holding concealed carry permits. Now we have a quarter-page cartoon in a major market newspaper where the Vice President of the United States appears to give the green light to murdering supporters of our 2nd Amendment. I hate to think of where this will all end.” “But, in any case,” continued Pearson, “I’d like to commend cartoonist Fournier for his Rushdie-like courage in bringing this all to a head. The gun controllers no longer need to hide behind their hallmark platitudes about protecting the children and all that is good. The gun controllers may now muster and get behind Joe Biden in executing the final solution to the gun problem. Or so they may think”

- - - The ISRA is the state’s leading advocate of safe, lawful and responsible firearms ownership. For more than a century, the ISRA has represented the interests of millions of law-abiding Illinois firearm owners.

Posted Sun Feb 24 14:00:16 CST 2013

http://www.isra.org/


26 posted on 02/25/2013 7:06:18 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: okie01
In other words, they think they have the Connstitution by the short hairs and that they are bulletproof. When it comes to the 2014 mid-terms the ramifications could be enormous.

But temporary political consequences don't matter unless R's can be found and elected who'll actually repeal stuff. As it is now, Dem's have the ascendancy for a while and do their best to move the ball on tyranny. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they make some progress. Eventually they fall from favor and are replaced by R's, who sometimes pass tyrannical laws of their own, but mostly do not, and stop efforts of Dem's to do so. BUT....they never repeal anything, and defeat of some government-empowering proposal isn't the symmetrical opposite of enactment. If it's enacted, it's presumed by all that the question is settled for all time, while defeat just means we don't get whatever it is this year. You notice how it works? The ratchet only ever moves in one direction. You can't win a football game playing only defense, even if you were good at defense, and R's aren't very.

27 posted on 02/25/2013 7:10:00 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Seizethecarp

Americans in large numbers (and the media, too) started noticing how extreme, even wacky, the rhetoric of the gun manufacturers’ lobby has become.


Note how he’s no longer targeting the “gun lobby. Instead, it’s the “manufacturers.” That’s because the “gun lobby” is really 100,000,000 citizens, several million of whom send $35 per year to the NRA.


28 posted on 02/25/2013 8:10:28 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Where’s Senator Byrd when we need him to pull his pocket constitution out and wave it around while berating his colleagues?”

No mention by Dionne of SCOTUS refuting the collective delusion for decades on the left that the 2A does not protect an individual right to “keep and bear arms”...

Heller was the true “miracle”...SCOTUS upholding at least part of the founder’s intent in the 2A.

The only “miracle” (violation of SCOTUS oath) that could save the gun-grabbers would be for SCOTUS to suddenly reverse Heller!


29 posted on 02/25/2013 9:53:34 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Still Thinking
<But temporary political consequences don't matter unless R's can be found and elected who'll actually repeal stuff.

I've often thought that a compelling campaign promise would be to repeal at least one useless bill a week and dismantle at least one government agency or program per month.

30 posted on 02/25/2013 11:06:22 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: KeyLargo

Holy smokes! That last one really tells the story. I’m on so many ‘notify when stock arrives’ lists online my e-mail will be swamped if they ever do get their shipments in. There is nothing left anywhere. Stuff that usually sells slower than ice cubes in Antarctica is ‘out of stock!’


31 posted on 02/25/2013 1:22:34 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

I was notified Friday that a gun accessory was back in stock and half way through my placing the order online the website reported it was out of stock and my order could not be filled!


32 posted on 02/25/2013 2:45:05 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Frustrating isn’t it? OTOH it’s a wonderful sign of just how much resistance is out there.


33 posted on 02/25/2013 2:50:47 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Really? Reid has a bunch of Red State senators he needs to get re-elected if he wants to keep his job. The last think he wants is DiFi hanging this millstone around their necks. He’s also been a genuine defender of the 2nd Amendment. He’s said that DiFi will get her vote in the Senate, but he’s also opened the process up to amendments by the GOP; a lovely poison pill maneuver. So what are you laughing at? Are you one of those GOP-Über-Alles types who expects gun owners to bend over for “the good of The Party”? Still pissed that the NRA wouldn’t help Sharron Angle make Chuck Schumer the new Majority Leader in the Senate?


34 posted on 02/25/2013 8:14:20 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak
Really? Reid has a bunch of Red State senators he needs to get re-elected if he wants to keep his job.

Then why has he been letting them just roll over for the Democrat/liberal/progressive agenda on most everything? Why hasn't he given us a "the line must be drawn here" moment for any of the outrages that have gone on these past few years?

The last think he wants is DiFi hanging this millstone around their necks. He’s also been a genuine defender of the 2nd Amendment.

I simply do not believe it or, if he is then, I believe he's the sort of person who says all sorts of stuff but cannot lead others [rallying to that belief].

He’s said that DiFi will get her vote in the Senate, but he’s also opened the process up to amendments by the GOP; a lovely poison pill maneuver. So what are you laughing at?

Poison pill? Sorry, I don't believe the GOP-as-a-party has the balls to do any such thing. Let me know if they amend it to repeal the GCA and NFA though, then I'll buy that they're into putting a poison-pill to it.

Are you one of those GOP-Über-Alles types who expects gun owners to bend over for “the good of The Party”? Still pissed that the NRA wouldn’t help Sharron Angle make Chuck Schumer the new Majority Leader in the Senate?

No, I am simply aware that the GOP has an undeserved pro-2ND Amendment reputation. The termination of the AWB was due to a sunset clause, the GOP literally had to do nothing and the result would be the same.

35 posted on 02/25/2013 9:11:26 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Seizethecarp

The 2nd amendment protects our right to own legitimate deterrents to government tyranny. Semi-automatic weapons and large capacity weapons are legitimate deterrents to government tyranny. Efforts to restrict the people’s ownership of legitimate deterrents to government tyranny should be labled as such, not gun control. Feature the protection against government tyranny for which the 2nd amendment was included in our Constituton and our goals will be made more clear.


36 posted on 02/26/2013 1:49:24 PM PST by sforkjoe57 (How much longer must Americans be slaves to the stupidity of John Maynard Keynes?)
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To: sforkjoe57

correction, large capacity magazines


37 posted on 02/26/2013 1:51:33 PM PST by sforkjoe57 (How much longer must Americans be slaves to the stupidity of John Maynard Keynes?)
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