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What Happens if Your Bug Out Gun Breaks?
Guns.Com ^ | Feb 25, 2013 | David LaPell

Posted on 02/25/2013 9:03:30 AM PST by EXCH54FE

Over the last few years, I’ve seen a lot of ink spilled about the one—that is the ultimate, end of the world, SHTF, need no other, bug out bag firearm that will carry you and yours at the end of days. These articles usually go into great detail as to the how’s, what’s, and why’s of the caliber, model, and make for that ideal, one and done gun but I’ve seen precious little written about one very important issue that could turn your uber-pistol into a good looking paperweight. What if it breaks?

Recently I had one of my Smith & Wesson revolvers put completely out of action by the tiniest of parts, a hand torsion spring. This spring is what keeps the hand engaging the ratchet on the rear of the cylinder. This little two-dollar part shut the gun down completely and it was eye opening for me because, if the bombs start dropping, I know I would want to have that wheelgun with on my hip.

So, if you are into buying a gun for one of those dreaded “what if” occasions, how do you guard against mechanical failure when ordering a replacement part from Brownell’s or another part is no longer an option?

Your first defense against a mechanical failure is an understanding of your guns’ mechanics so I suggest you at least add a good manual to your bug out bag. By good manual, I mean a shop manual that lists every part that can break on your gun with pictures (especially of the little ones as these are what usually goes out first rather than the larger components). Never a part costing more than fifteen dollars but guaranteed to take your gun offline just as if you’d taken a torch and cut it in half.

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If you really plan on using one gun to survive on, you could end up awfully thin if it breaks and instead of shooting that whitetail you have to try to beat it to death.
1 posted on 02/25/2013 9:03:43 AM PST by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Who has ONE weapon?


2 posted on 02/25/2013 9:05:33 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: EXCH54FE

That author should have bought a Ruger wheelgun. They’re not as dainty as the S&Ws.


3 posted on 02/25/2013 9:07:46 AM PST by Goldsborough
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To: EXCH54FE

Gonna need a bigger gun..........


4 posted on 02/25/2013 9:09:02 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: EXCH54FE

You, too, have to have two.


5 posted on 02/25/2013 9:10:49 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: EXCH54FE
2 is 1 and 1 is none.

Always have a back up. A back up firearm, a back up plan, and back up's for your back ups.

Yes, it's possible to dupe up too much. 2-3 layers seems about right and allows for a good mix of affordability and paranoia. Your house starts looking "hoarder-ish" and you've probably gone too far.

6 posted on 02/25/2013 9:11:27 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Goldsborough

Another good reason for the KelTec sub2000 in 40 S&W Glock configuration along with a Glock 23.


7 posted on 02/25/2013 9:11:40 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Exactly. Have at least one (or more) in each of the common calibers.


8 posted on 02/25/2013 9:12:21 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: EXCH54FE

Serious question. Would the electronic lock on my gun safe be rendered inop as a result of a EMP (electromagnetic pulse) bomb?


9 posted on 02/25/2013 9:14:57 AM PST by Dedbone
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To: Dedbone

Does your gun safe have a backup manual key lock?


10 posted on 02/25/2013 9:19:46 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Resolute Conservative
When it comes to weapons for a survival situation, personal protection, or home and family defense, remember PACE.

Primary

Alternate

Contingency

Emergency

11 posted on 02/25/2013 9:26:13 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Goldsborough

I’m not a big fan of the new model Ruger single actions, I prefer the old models, but a Ruger SA will still be working long after everything else has stopped.


12 posted on 02/25/2013 9:26:22 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: RoosterRedux

None that run in my circle...


13 posted on 02/25/2013 9:26:32 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Bingo.
I carry a Glock 22 and a Glock 23.
Common parts between them, but the frame on the G22 is longer.
However, I have 20 Glock 22 magazines that fit in my Glock 23.

My holsters all fit either the Glock 22 or the Glock23, with or without my Insight Procyon lights.


14 posted on 02/25/2013 9:26:56 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: EXCH54FE
If you are going to shelter in place having many guns and ammo for all is fine. This will also work if you have a place to go to that is already set up. If you are just bugging out in hopes of finding a place to go, or you are leaving ahead of the bad guys because you have to, you will not be carrying one of every popular caliber and ammo for them all. It is way too much to pack and keep track of.

What is a good idea is to incorporate within your plan enough people and skills to allow you to survive. Not knowing where you are going and not having that place prepared/stocked is almost sure failure. You won't need a computer salesman but a well experienced college trained gun smith gives your group security and work that can be bartered for many things.

15 posted on 02/25/2013 9:35:28 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Yo-Yo

# 10 Negative. What a nightmare to have everything locked up at such a time.


16 posted on 02/25/2013 9:39:53 AM PST by Dedbone
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To: EXCH54FE
"What Happens if Your Bug Out Gun Breaks?"

Even though broken, at times, a pointed gun in any caliber works just fine!

17 posted on 02/25/2013 9:46:17 AM PST by Dacus943
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To: EXCH54FE

As the song says “ It Takes Two Baby!”( at least)


18 posted on 02/25/2013 9:49:45 AM PST by Renegade
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To: EXCH54FE

Bug IN instead.


19 posted on 02/25/2013 9:53:41 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: EXCH54FE

What Happens if Your Bug Out Gun Breaks?


Use the Crossbow...


20 posted on 02/25/2013 10:01:44 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: EXCH54FE

Every gun I have is chosen for functionality, reliability and crossing calibres.
My first go tos are my .38 supers. Couple minutes with a bullet puller and press, any 9mm bullet will work- but for people that don’t think to keep the right tools in their bugout bag, .38 super is useless.
I also keep a number of Blackhawks.. In a pinch, I can scavenge parts from one to keep another working.


21 posted on 02/25/2013 10:01:53 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: EXCH54FE

Q- What Happens if Your Bug Out Gun Breaks?

A- Grab one of your backups.

...Next question.


22 posted on 02/25/2013 10:07:26 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: EXCH54FE

Just pick up a gun off of one of the many dead bodies laying around.


23 posted on 02/25/2013 10:09:29 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: RoosterRedux

Never heard of a guy buying a gun and not having a hankering for another one...


24 posted on 02/25/2013 10:21:19 AM PST by expat2
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To: EXCH54FE
Two words: Mosin Nagant.

Affordable, built like a tank and always goes bang. You can still get 2 of them and a big spam can of ammo for under $500. Not exactly concealable, but in a survival situation who cares?

25 posted on 02/25/2013 10:24:40 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: EXCH54FE

“What Happens if Your Bug Out Gun Breaks?”

Which one?


26 posted on 02/25/2013 10:36:36 AM PST by moovova
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To: EXCH54FE

I know an engineer that has 2 CNC machines, a 3D scanner, 3D printer, a ton of raw materials, and a large generator in what could be a very easy to protect fenced-in building.

If the world falls apart he’ll be “rich” making replacement parts for tractors and guns.

Having some simple spare parts for your weapon(s) is smart. Extra trigger spring, recoil springs are pretty standard. Extra firing pins could be essential. I’ve seen people snap a firing pin at a range before. It happens. Besides, that stuff is cheap and easy to get.

(If you don’t know how to reload yet.... get on it.)


27 posted on 02/25/2013 10:39:43 AM PST by Noamie
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To: absolootezer0

Another fan of the Super here. My solution to it being a somewhat weird caliber is the Sig P220 will shoot 9mm just by swapping out the barrel.


28 posted on 02/25/2013 10:39:57 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: EXCH54FE

Since I live a fair distance from any city, I would not bug out. I would stay put with all my stuff. That being said, you should always have a backup gun. Preferably a pistol of a common caliber.


29 posted on 02/25/2013 10:42:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Find the first armed liberal?


30 posted on 02/25/2013 10:46:00 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: EXCH54FE

             

31 posted on 02/25/2013 10:57:24 AM PST by tomkat
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To: expat2
A big part of my life is the continuous window shopping for new handguns and rifles (and I don't even hunt). Just love weapons and shooting.

Looking at Beretta M9's at the present time...and of course the Windham Weaponry AR-15 I have on order.

I think there is something strange about men that don't like the roar of internal combustion engines and power and machined beauty of handguns and rifles (the two, engines and guns are very similar to me).

Speaking of which, check this out at youtube...

P51 Old Crow incl.flames. very loud and very cool.

32 posted on 02/25/2013 11:05:23 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Yo-Yo

In case of an EMP frying the combo lock’s innards? I have plenty of 9v batteries, and can change-one-out in 3-4secs, but bow you got me thinking. I don’t know if something that massive can be retrofitted with a key. I’m checking...


33 posted on 02/25/2013 11:08:03 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: RoosterRedux
Not only have two guns, carry one of these, also:

I have one. Very handy tool.

34 posted on 02/25/2013 11:20:48 AM PST by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------- The New Gold)
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To: EXCH54FE

Glock in either 9mm or .40 S&W. There are multiple reasons PD’s and Feds don’t use revolvers anymore. 9mm is probably the most horded ammunition of all time, chances are if you find any it’ll be 9mm. Both are common PD loads so you just need to find yourself a PD supply room in the zombie apocalypse.


35 posted on 02/25/2013 11:21:23 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: EXCH54FE

Always go by the Jim Rawles rule: Two is one, one is none.


36 posted on 02/25/2013 11:22:30 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: tomkat

Didn’t see your post. Great minds think alike.


37 posted on 02/25/2013 11:22:30 AM PST by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------- The New Gold)
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To: Lockbar
SOG Fasthawk?

Nice.

38 posted on 02/25/2013 11:28:18 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Dedbone

Serious question. Would the electronic lock on my gun safe be rendered inop as a result of a EMP (electromagnetic pulse) bomb?


Yes. You could try creating a faraday cage around it, but there’s something important you should know:

Electronic gun safe locks are NOT for emergency use. A locksmith told me they fail at about 5 years. They’ll either fail “open” as mine did, so you’ll be able to access your stuff, but not lock it, or they’ll fail “closed” and you’ll be locked out, needing a locksmith to drill out (destroy) your safe. But in a crisis (after EMP) if might be a little hard to find a locksmith.

It’s easy to have a locksmith replace the keypad with a conventional dial (this is what I had done). Just a couple hundred bucks.

Do it NOW!


39 posted on 02/25/2013 11:31:38 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: EXCH54FE

Bugging out?


40 posted on 02/25/2013 11:34:15 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Dead Corpse

I thing I learned in the military; if you have a Plan A you’d better have a Plan B.


41 posted on 02/25/2013 12:23:46 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Tijeras_Slim

you’ve got a 220 in .38 super?
that’s my favourite gun. got one, someday i’d like to find a second one to make a matched set.


42 posted on 02/25/2013 12:33:21 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: EXCH54FE
Have more than one gun. Have a multi-shot gun in a military caliber that's also a popular commercial caliber. Get a military type firearm with a long record of working under the most severe combat conditions.

If I was restricted to only one gun, I'd consider a Stevens Model 24F Combo Gun in .22 LR or .223 Rem and 20 ga. shotgun calibers. Alternatively, the Springfield M6 Scout in .22 LR and .410 shotgun. Both are over and under single shots. The M6 has a compartment for additional rounds of ammunition (15 .22 LR and 4 .410 shot shells). Both would be ideal for living off the land and could be used for self defense.

43 posted on 02/25/2013 12:35:53 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: absolootezer0

It’s the only super I’ve owned that would feed any ammo you gave it. They don’t show up that often, much less the model that has the mag release in the 1911 location.

Magazines tough to find too.


44 posted on 02/25/2013 12:36:09 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

mine has the heel release. took some getting used to, but i got it figured out, and am pretty quick with mag changes. i hear you on mags glad the one i got came with 4. i find them occasionally, but they’re usually around $60 each. that’s one advantage of the heel release though- you get used to holding onto the mag rather than just dropping it.

i’ve also got a colt commander in .38 super, never had a problem with either feeding- they even do great with my +P handloads.


45 posted on 02/25/2013 12:50:29 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Goldsborough; All

It is a common misconception that revolvers do not jam. They do. The most recent example that I found was on a retired Marine’s Colt Anaconda that he was carrying while deer hunting. He handed it to me to examine, and the cylinder could not be released.

With a little thought, I determined it was a similar problem that I have experienced with some Ruger revolvers... The Cylinder pin had vibrated/revolved out far enough to keep the cylinder from opening. With a little care, I was able to do the “fix” by trapping the cylinder pin while counterrotating the cylinder, enabled by cocking the hammer just enough to unlock the hand and stop.

Not that hard to do when you know what you are doing, but he had no clue. He would have ended up taking it to a gunsmith.

A little locktite on the cylinder pins makes a semipermanent solution.

I apologize to those that take this as bragging. I was simply trying to illustrate that all guns have their vulnerablilities, and once I started on the example from a couple of months ago, I thought I should finish it.


46 posted on 02/25/2013 12:59:11 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: absolootezer0

I’ve had a couple Colts, all of them were picky.


47 posted on 02/25/2013 1:01:54 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Dedbone; All

“Serious question. Would the electronic lock on my gun safe be rendered inop as a result of a EMP (electromagnetic pulse) bomb?”

Almost certainly not... but as another poster noted, electronic locks are known for failure. I do not want one on anything I need to get to in a hurry.


48 posted on 02/25/2013 1:03:59 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Beelzebubba

Thanks Bub


49 posted on 02/25/2013 3:52:32 PM PST by Dedbone
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"Another fan of the Super here. My solution to it being a somewhat weird caliber is the Sig P220 will shoot 9mm just by swapping out the barrel."

Do you use the same recoil spring for the .38 Super as you do with 9mm?

I can conceivably do the same thing with a Colt Delta Elite (10mm) with the addition of .40S&W as well as .357 Sig, but I'm certain I'd need a different set of recoil springs for each round as well as barrels (possibly the same spring for the .357 Sig and the .40 S&W).

50 posted on 02/25/2013 4:02:07 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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