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Dallas Mega-Church Responds to Tebow Controversy
Fox News ^ | February 24, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 02/25/2013 10:43:34 AM PST by Zakeet

Edited on 02/25/2013 10:59:51 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

The congregation of the First Baptist Church of Dallas gave their pastor a standing ovation as he began to deliver the Sunday morning sermon – a sign of affirmation for Dr. Robert Jeffress – a man under siege from the national media and gay marriage activists.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: athletes; baptist; christians; dallas; homosexualagenda; jeffress; megachurch; politicalcorrect; tebow

You can see the Pastor's 10-minute non-politically correct, evil, hateful, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, anti-Mormon, gay-bashing response to his critics HERE

1 posted on 02/25/2013 10:43:42 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

United we stand, divided we fall. Christians unite in truth and Spirit.


2 posted on 02/25/2013 11:14:21 AM PST by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: stars & stripes forever

That sermon brought this hymn to mind ....

1. Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
Ye soldiers of the cross;
Lift high His royal banner,
It must not suffer loss:
From vict’ry unto vict’ry
His army shall He lead,
Till ev’ry foe is vanquished,
And Christ is Lord indeed.

2. Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
The trumpet call obey;
Forth to the mighty conflict,
In this His glorious day:
Ye who are men, now serve Him
Against unnumbered foes;
Let courage rise with danger,
And strength to strength oppose.

3. Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
Stand in His strength alone;
The arm of flesh will fail you,
Ye dare not trust your own:
Put out the gospel armor,
Each piece put on with pray’r;
Where duty calls, or danger,
Be never wanting there.

4. Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
The strife will not be long;
This day the noise of battle,
The next the victor’s song:
To him who overcometh
A crown of life shall be;
He, with the King of glory,
Shall reign eternally.


3 posted on 02/25/2013 11:25:13 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Zakeet

We work for God’s approval not man’s. Stand strong Pastor.

2 Timothy 2:15

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”


4 posted on 02/25/2013 11:39:54 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: Zakeet

In an earlier thread on this subject, I wrote that Tim Tebow missed a significant opportunity to educate the American public on his beliefs and how the sports media, or any media for that matter, does not speak for him.

Dr. Jeffress appears to have done this instead, though I find it interesting that at least in this clip he does not mention Tim Tebow by name. In fact, this comment appears to call out Tebow:

“I am grateful. I am grateful for men of God like these who are willing to stand up and act like men rather than wimping out when it gets a little controversial and an inconvenient thing to stand for the truth.”


5 posted on 02/25/2013 11:41:06 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Zakeet

I do not see why he felt the need to denigrate Jewish and Mormon beliefs. If there is a good reason for displaying such negativity toward peaceful beliefs, I am not seeing or hearing it.

You don’t need to tear down other houses to show how strong yours is.


6 posted on 02/25/2013 11:51:14 AM PST by soycd
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To: Zakeet
Here's the article if you don't want to click the link.

By Todd Starnes

The congregation of the First Baptist Church of Dallas gave their pastor a standing ovation as he began to deliver the Sunday morning sermon – a sign of affirmation for Dr. Robert Jeffress – a man under siege from the national media and gay marriage activists.

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Jeffress and the church have been accused of promoting hate speech and anti-Semitism simply for believing that marriage should be between one man and one woman and that salvation through Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven.

In the midst of the controversy, NFL quarterback Tim Tebow backed out of an upcoming speaking engagement at the church — allegedly over “new information” he received. It’s unclear what information to which Tebow was referring.

Ironically, Tebow is a member of the First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Fla. — a congregation that holds the same beliefs on marriage and salvation that the church in Dallas holds.

Tebow’s decision to bow out brought cheers and praise from national gay rights organizations as well as liberal journalists.

To a cheering audience of several thousand, Jeffress thanked the congregation for their support and vowed to continue preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ no matter the cost.

“It doesn't’t matter who you are or what you’ve done — you can be forgiven of your sins if you trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior,” he told the church. “That’s not a message of hate — that’s a message of hope.”

Jeffress said he experienced a moment of personal revival during the controversy of the past week.

As long as I am the pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas — we are not going to kneel before the altar of political correctness and convenience,” he declared. “We’re going to stand up and boldly proclaim the grace of God and the truth of God without compromise — so help me God that is my commitment.”

7 posted on 02/25/2013 12:04:40 PM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: soycd

Dr. Jeffress stands for Truth of Scripture and Christian faith. He is willing to state straightforward why he preaches Truth. There is a Day coming when the Mormons and Muslims will stand before the Judge of the Universe and explain why they did not respond to the Truth of Scripture.


8 posted on 02/25/2013 12:23:39 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

This Catholic stands behind you Pastor Jeffries. :)


9 posted on 02/25/2013 12:24:03 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: BO Stinkss
“Jeffress and the church have been accused of promoting hate speech and anti-Semitism simply for believing that marriage should be between one man and one woman and that salvation through Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven...”

“Hate speech and anti-Semitism” are being used to try to belittle and hurt this pastor. It is not ‘hateful’ or anti-Semitic to share the Gospel with someone. Jesus Christ Himself, the Messiah, chose to come to earth as a Jew. And the Gospel was to go “first to the Jews” (Romans 1:6). It isn't hateful to preach and teach the truth according to God's word.

The line of attack on this Pastor is:...Target someone. Freeze it. Name call and label. Alinksky tactics coming from a sinful culture that don't want to believe they will be held accountable for their sins one day before God and possibly liberal theologians and Christians in name only.

10 posted on 02/25/2013 12:31:36 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: righttackle44

>There is a Day coming when the Mormons and Muslims will stand before the Judge of the Universe and explain why they did not respond to the Truth of Scripture.

While I hesitate to even place the Mormon name in the same sentence with muslim, I’m having a harder time seeing any Universal Judge coming down hard on any Jewish people.

I suspect those with good acts and souls won’t be doing any hard time.


11 posted on 02/25/2013 12:35:21 PM PST by soycd
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To: Colonel_Flagg

What follows is an observation only.

Tim Tebow appears to be keeping his religious statements out of the political sphere. This appearance might have upset that apple cart, and as a professional athlete that may be something to avoid.


12 posted on 02/25/2013 12:44:49 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
This appearance might have upset that apple cart,

Sometimes they even crucify you.

13 posted on 02/25/2013 1:01:57 PM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: MissMagnolia
With all due respect, and humbly, some changes for your text are suggested:

Ye who that are men, now serve Him

(Fixed the word; there is to be no punctuation between "men" and "now")

The next the victor’s song:

(There is a comma between "next" and "the")

Put out on the gospel armor,

(fixed it)

Each piece put on with pray’r prayer;

(Can't hold a three-beat note on the consonant "r"; the musical requirement is that the pronuciation must be a dipthong to hold the note out-- the "e" must not be omitted.)

The next the victor’s song:

(A comma after "next" will make it grammatically correct, as in the original.)

He, with the King of glory,

(The commas here after "He" and after "glory" would make the overcomer coequal with the Master. That would be doctrinally very incorrect. Without the commas, "He" may be appropriately concurrently reigning with, but subordinate to--not coequal with--The King. These particular commas are not in the published versions as attributed to George Duffield.)

References:
1. "Favorite Hymns of Praise," Tabernacle Publishing Company, Wheaton, IL (1997) No. 357
2. "The Book Of Hymns -- Official Hymnal of thre United Methodist Church," The United Methodist Publishing House, Nashville, TN (1982) No. 248
3. "Book Of Worship For United States Forces," U. S. Government Printing Office, Washington, DC (1974) No. 433

Your reference work may not agree with these, but these agree with each other and embody the original text per the corrections, as above.

But otherwise, in thought you have chosen an outstanding song for exhortation to spiritual battle!

"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore ..." (Eph. 6:13,14a).

14 posted on 02/25/2013 1:30:13 PM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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To: itsahoot

Sometimes they even crucify you.

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I don’t think Tebow need worry about that. Well, unless he takes a coaching job at FSU.


15 posted on 02/25/2013 1:42:53 PM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

That doesn’t seem to bother non-entities like Chris Kluwe.

Left-wingers, immune from criticism by a pliant and friendly media, can say as they wish. Athletes with conservative and/or traditional beliefs find the going much more difficult.

It didn’t seem to stop Matt Birk, but it appears to have stopped Tim Tebow in his tracks.


16 posted on 02/25/2013 1:46:03 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Zakeet
I wonder how many cattle cars Obama will need for that entire church?


17 posted on 02/25/2013 2:02:23 PM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: imardmd1

I just googled the title & copied the whole thing off a hymn lyrics site ..... maybe I should have checked it against my actual hymnal for a better reference! From your last comments, you did get the gist of my message. :-)


18 posted on 02/25/2013 2:12:27 PM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: soycd
While I hesitate to even place the Mormon name in the same sentence with muslim, I’m having a harder time seeing any Universal Judge coming down hard on any Jewish people.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, than denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:22,23)

Do "Jews" acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ? No.

I suspect those with good acts and souls won’t be doing any hard time.

No one is good, apart from God. (Matthew 19:17a) No one has kept the whole law. (James 2:10) Consequently, works are insufficient. There is no salvation and forgiveness of sins apart from Jesus Christ. He who trusts in his own works will come up short:

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth, and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them...And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which written in the books, according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast in the the lake of fire.(Revelation 20:11-15)

This is the fate of all unbelievers. But, God has graciously made a way for man to escape the punishment he deserves:

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcommeth (believeth on the Son--see 1 John 5:5) shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (Revelation 21:6,7)

The unbelieving will have a hard time indeed.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake with burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

19 posted on 02/25/2013 2:38:31 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: Zakeet

A good related article:

““What I have said about homosexuality going against God’s standard for human sexuality – and about Christ being the only provision for salvation – these are not radical ideas,” he said. “These have been a part of historic Christian faith for 2,000 years.”

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/nbc-sports-writer-smears-baptist-church-with-tebow-ties.html


20 posted on 02/25/2013 2:45:16 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Zakeet

This is not very controversial. Saying that “God hates sodomites”, which is what the Bible teaches, is controversial. Further some of the stated doctrines are questionable.

1. The bad news is NOT sin. The bad news is the “wages of sin is death”, what one’s sin earns him. (Romans 6:23a) He who dies in his sin will spend eternity in the lake of fire, the second death. (Revelation 14:10,11 Revelation 20:14,15, Revelation 21:8)

2. The unsaved sinner will NOT spend eternity in hell “separated from God”. This softens the reality of hell. The unsaved will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the “presence of the Lamb” (Revelation 14:10). The Lamb is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God. The unsaved sinner will have to endure the wrath of God for eternity—that is hell. Jesus died to save us from the horrors of hell of which we are fully deserving. We receive forgivenss by trusting in the complete work Jesus Christ on the cross and freely receving the gift of eternal life which he paid for fully.

2 Thessalonians 1:9, if understood to be “separation” would contradict Revelation 14:10. The Bible does not contradict itself, or it’s not God’s Word. “from” [apo] does always mean “separation”. It can mean “source.”

“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction [from] the presence of the Lord and the from the glory of his power.” (2 Thess 1:9)

The presence and glory of the Lord are the source of destruction. Imagine being irradiated with that for all eternity. It will feel like fire and brimstone. That is hell. And worse news — hell never ends.

3. Forgiveness. Not all sins are forgivable. If you disagree, then you are contradicting Jesus Christ:

“Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be given unto the sons of men, and basphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall baspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: (Because they said that he had an unclean spirit)” (Mark 3:28-30)

The scribes attributed Jesus’ miraculous work to him being possessed by Beelzebub and the prince of devils. Consequently, they will never have forgiveness. Never.

Also, Revelation 22:18,19 makes it clear than anyone who adds to or removes from the words of the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, God shall take his part out of the book of life. He can never be saved.

4. In Romans 1 God has given up those who “changed the truth of God into a lie” (:25) “unto vile affections” (:26). He gave them over to a “reprobate mind” (:28). It doesn’t look like sodomites can be saved according to these verses. (Unless one tries to carve out and exception that some sodomites are NOT given over by God. I don’t verses to that effect.)

One might counter with 1 Corinthians 6:9 (”such were some of you.”). But the Greek words for “effeminate” and “abusrs of themselves with mankind” have no other usage in the Bible to compare with. What is indisputable is that no professing sodomite is saved. The two positions are mutually exclusive.

Dr. Jeffress’ positions sound like softpeddling to me on all of the above stated doctrines. If one is going to take a hit for speaking the truth, speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


21 posted on 02/25/2013 4:39:08 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

The biggest feature of existence is that infinity allows for any and every seemingly impossible and possible action and reaction to occur before, during and after it happens.

Forever and ever.


22 posted on 02/26/2013 8:22:14 AM PST by soycd
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To: soycd
The biggest feature of existence is that infinity allows for any and every seemingly impossible and possible action and reaction to occur before, during and after it happens.

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Proverbs 16:15)

And he (Jesus) said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore to you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:23,24)

Jesus is pleading with man. There is a "freight train coming" (death and hell because of sin). One can receive forgiveness of sins by trusting in the finished work of Jesus Christ. There are not an infinite number of possibilities.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23)
Not infinite possibilities, two: Eternal life, or death.
23 posted on 02/26/2013 1:00:22 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: Zakeet

Is this accurate?

http://townhall.com/news/religion/2013/02/21/tebow-cancels-appearance-at-fbc-dallas-n1517676

“He (Jeffress) says the Catholic church is a satanic cult”

???


24 posted on 02/26/2013 2:13:32 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Is this accurate? ... “He (Jeffress) says the Catholic church is a satanic cult”

NO

That's SeeBS Sports Writer Gregg Doyel making up a quote to serve his own political agenda, shock his readers, and hopefully sell fish-wrap.

Had Jefress actually said that, the outcry would have been deafening.

Instead, Jefress statement was the Biblically accurate message that, "Heaven and hell will include people from all walks of life -- Baptists, Methodists, Catholics and others. It is a personal decision to trust Jesus Christ for salvation that determines one's eternal destiny and his message to homosexuals is one of hope in the Gospel message. First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, Fla., where Tebow is a member, teaches the same historic doctrines. ... The fact is, nobody goes to heaven in a group."

25 posted on 02/26/2013 3:44:15 PM PST by Zakeet (Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage - Mencken)
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To: nonsporting

Eternity can not exist in a finite world. Infinity permits the possibilities and answers to everything. and yet it can not contain them.

Eternity has no confines.


26 posted on 02/26/2013 3:51:22 PM PST by soycd
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To: Zakeet

It isn’t a direct quote but it is an accurate summation of what he said when he called the Catholic faith the result of the “ genius of Satan”. The guy is a raving loon.


27 posted on 02/26/2013 4:52:39 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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