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Cops request “realistic” targets of pregnant women and children
American Vision News ^ | Feb 21, 2013 | Joel McDurmon

Posted on 02/25/2013 6:57:00 PM PST by The Working Man

A shooting target company is now providing “realistic” targets depicting pregnant women, elderly men, young women, and children. An interview with a company representative revealed that the targets were made available upon request by law enforcement agencies. The company has to date received $5.5 million in contracts from DHS.

pregnant woman target

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; desensitization; dhs; dhsoutofcontrol; dhstargets; pregnantwomen; realistictargets; secondammendment
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I saw this referenced in a Day By Day Cartoon. What can I say... If ever I doubted it before I can now say that I believe that the Feds really are invested in starting a Civil War.
1 posted on 02/25/2013 6:57:05 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

And normal family dog pets ....


2 posted on 02/25/2013 6:58:00 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: The Working Man

http://americanvisionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/pregnant-woman-target.jpg


3 posted on 02/25/2013 6:58:40 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: The Working Man

The FBI and military and other government agencies cannot use “Islamic” realistic targets because of complaints from CAIR. But they can use targets that look like us. We don’t have an advocacy group working to look out for us.

Go see the targets.


4 posted on 02/25/2013 7:00:31 PM PST by DBrow
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To: The Working Man

maybe we need to start requesting targets with swat and police in riot gear on them. not kidding. they will apparently be bashing through our doors either by accident or on purpose sometime in the future.


5 posted on 02/25/2013 7:01:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SkyDancer

There are no dog targets in the series. No need.

IBTCS


6 posted on 02/25/2013 7:03:12 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: The Working Man
These realistic targets were discussed in earlier thread(s) about a week ago, check banglist if you want to see the threads. The targets HAVE been pulled, as of last week.

There's a lot of great info in the DaybyDay cartoons -- catching up was one of the things I did while FR was down last week! He's quite astute, does great work. Go, Chris Muir!

7 posted on 02/25/2013 7:04:16 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: The Working Man; TigersEye

8 posted on 02/25/2013 7:06:34 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: DBrow

We don’t have an advocacy group working to look out for us.

Yeah its supposed to be congress


9 posted on 02/25/2013 7:06:52 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: The Working Man
I can't believe the individual LEO wants this.

Some insane bureaucrat might though.

10 posted on 02/25/2013 7:06:55 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SkyDancer

Maybe they can get Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi to come out of hiding and be a consultant again....


11 posted on 02/25/2013 7:07:40 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: null and void

The police SHOULD hesitate if a pregnant woman is involved. There is an innocent bystander in her torso.


12 posted on 02/25/2013 7:08:53 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: The Working Man

According to this long-time LE officer, targets like this have been used for a very long time, along with overlays that cover up the firearm. Here’s an article that explains more, http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/the-pregnant-woman-target-controversy


13 posted on 02/25/2013 7:09:41 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: The Working Man; Travis McGee
CWII ping?

If they can start cranking out targets of normal citizens to practice on, when will some enterprising soul come out with JPT targets?

Turnabout and all that?

14 posted on 02/25/2013 7:11:20 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: The Working Man

BureauKaRATZ are NOT Americans.

They are SCUM that live off the taxpayer’s dime. Their scut families really believe they are ENTITLED to your dollars.

Trouble is, a bureauKaRATZ is nothing more than an ignorant, illiterate, small minded eff that CAN’T think his or her way out of paper bag with a hole in it.

The truth is, a bureauKaRATZ (AKA RATZ) are nothing more than stupid people living off the taxpayer’s dime.

A civil war? Its time to drag RATZ into the street, and tar and feather them.


15 posted on 02/25/2013 7:12:00 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: The Working Man
HERE'S the earlier thread -- posted 2/22, so just a few days ago (I'd read info while FR was down).

Good to have up again so people can see what's going on.

16 posted on 02/25/2013 7:12:19 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

George Gordon Liddy gave the best advice with regard to that particular nightmare scenario.


17 posted on 02/25/2013 7:12:32 PM PST by Trod Upon (The Second Amendment acknowledges our inherent right to revolt if tyrannized. It ain't about hunting)
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To: The Working Man
I picture Chief Wiggum telling Marge after completing Hogan's Alley......."you missed the baby, you missed the blind man...."
18 posted on 02/25/2013 7:13:46 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: BenLurkin
I can't believe the individual LEO wants this.

On the earlier thread there was a report...

To: Doomonyou; Politicalmom; Responsibility2nd
Did you catch this?

"one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard...."

Note to mom... Hide the kids, get a restraining order, be armed yourself for when the day comes....

128 posted on Fri Feb 22 10:01:09 2013 by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)

19 posted on 02/25/2013 7:13:58 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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I can't believe the individual LEO wants this.

Agreed. Despite the convictions handed down on all cops by some, there are lots of good cops out there doing a tough job.

Just last week the next township over from me a cop came across a punk kid holding a shotgun standing over an old man on the ground. The cop told the kid to drop the gun and the kid hesitated but did drop the gun. I personally doubt I could have shone that kind of restraint and would have taken the kid out right then and there.

The old man is OK despite a broken nose from a shotgun butt to the face.
20 posted on 02/25/2013 7:15:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: The Working Man

Bump


21 posted on 02/25/2013 7:16:59 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Paladin2

He still work for H&S Precision ???


22 posted on 02/25/2013 7:19:23 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: doorgunner69
If they can start cranking out targets of normal citizens to practice on

These aren't "normal citizens".

Normal citizens would include Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, Arabs, Native American Indians and Asian Indians.

These are all White or perhaps European Jews...

23 posted on 02/25/2013 7:19:43 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: The Working Man

If they want realistic targets, they will ask for targets made to look like your average male ghetto dweller.


24 posted on 02/25/2013 7:21:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: cyn
Here's the other earlier thread...
25 posted on 02/25/2013 7:21:38 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: The Working Man

I think I read yesterday, here on FR, that this target company has pulled said targets off the market.


26 posted on 02/25/2013 7:22:01 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: null and void
and maybe a "white hispanic"...
27 posted on 02/25/2013 7:23:00 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

“According to this long-time LE officer, targets like this have been used for a very long time, along with overlays that cover up the firearm.”

True.

When I was a Federal law enforcement officer in the 70s & 80s, this type of training existed under the title of Shoot, Don’t Shoot.


28 posted on 02/25/2013 7:24:55 PM PST by ethel rascel (Lurk Mostly)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Since the “Law Enforcement” person in this quote is clearly either unaware or lying about the percentage of armed women, school age girls and little boys shooting uniformed officers, I must assume such sham arguments justify calling this Gubment trough feeding, copsucking apologist “Lil’ Red Shambo.

Lil’ Red Shambo is what happens when America allows collectivists into power.

A cop is an armored target, and the usual handgun is not a risk at all comparable to the risk the power crazed Lil’ Red Shambo’s pose to the public.

Fire the cops and arm the citizens - AND put a bounty on violent criminals.

Trayvon should have been a resource to be harvested, not a reason for his victim to be jailed and made into a combination of Dreyfus a punching bag for America’s racists pandering to blacks.


29 posted on 02/25/2013 7:24:55 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: null and void
These are all White or perhaps European Jews...

Excellent observation. And none of the males were younger Zero voter age either.

30 posted on 02/25/2013 7:25:13 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: null and void

Great, thanks, I knew I’d seen another one.


31 posted on 02/25/2013 7:26:29 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
I think I read yesterday, here on FR, that this target company has pulled said targets off the market.

Yes they did, complete with an apology.

Yet we still had a copsucker assert that this was a false story, that they never did it, that their web site was hacked/spoofed, and the targets weren't very realistic anyway...

32 posted on 02/25/2013 7:27:48 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: cyn

Thanks to you and everyone else that directed me to the earlier thread.

Still though I didn’t see that earlier one and I’m pleased anyway to the response to this one. I think though that all of us might want to think more than emote when we run across stuff like this. Personally my first reaction was anger at even the thought of making targets like this. After giving myself some time to think about this more and to peruse others comments makes me think that this is another effort in desensitizing “someone”, be it LEO’s or DHS’ers.

There have been many complaints about first person shooter games desensitizing their players. But in the end it’s a controller or a mouse and the video screen in front of the players. With these targets the shooter has a “real” gun in their hands, real bullets, real noise, real smells. It’s a whole different paradigm I believe.


33 posted on 02/25/2013 7:29:21 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: null and void; Blue Collar Christian

You guys got a link or title to search for on the earlier link? missed it, and like to keep up with the badge-licker list.


34 posted on 02/25/2013 7:37:17 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: The Working Man

They need to have women in truck targets and cop targets.


35 posted on 02/25/2013 7:39:09 PM PST by Dennis M.
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To: doorgunner69

Belay that last, see you posted the link.


36 posted on 02/25/2013 7:45:47 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

See the links in post #s 16 and 25 in this thread.


37 posted on 02/25/2013 7:46:29 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: The Working Man

So, is turnabout fair play? Can the peasants request “realistic” targets of those requesting the “realistic” targets of them?


38 posted on 02/25/2013 7:47:09 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: The Working Man
Is it true there's more Muslims working at Homeland Security than conservative Republicans? If the New York Times wasn't made up of "stenographers for elite democrats" we could find out. Guess dems won't feed them that story... New York Times isn't 'we suck less' they're 'we re-write dem propaganda better'. They suck more.

Target practice like this helps young men habituate to the idea of killing women and children.

Shall we assume Obama's private army will be made up of violent criminals - under the guise of 'giving jobs to people the rest of us see as monsters'... Nation of Islam is recruiting among violent street gangs. Janet too?

39 posted on 02/25/2013 7:49:11 PM PST by GOPJ (To be free is to own one's risk - Jonathan Levy)
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To: Squantos

I don’t think so, but am not an expert. Just superficially checked up a couple of times using the pipes of the ‘net.


40 posted on 02/25/2013 7:52:22 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: dagogo redux

Like big-eared, successful pseudo-authors?


41 posted on 02/25/2013 7:54:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Blue Collar Christian

“I think I read yesterday, here on FR, that this target company has pulled said targets off the market.”

I’d advise you to carefully pay attention to the wording when you read statements like that.

The company said they pulled the targets from the internet, not that they stopped making or selling them. The wording would lead me to believe that they’re still going to manufacture them and sell them to the agencies that ordered them in the first place, however they won’t risk keeping the advertisements up on the internet to draw public criticism. The company’s “apology” as some people have termed it was equally obfuscatory and insincere.


42 posted on 02/25/2013 7:54:48 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: jameslalor

WOW!


43 posted on 02/25/2013 7:58:35 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (One "bitter clinger" praying for revival. <BCC><)
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To: jameslalor

Taken offline, not off market.

Good catch.

44 posted on 02/25/2013 8:05:47 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: jameslalor; deks
// The company said they pulled the targets from the internet, not that they stopped making or selling them. The wording would lead me to believe that they’re still going to manufacture them and sell them to the agencies that ordered them in the first place, however they won’t risk keeping the advertisements up on the internet to draw public criticism.

The company’s “apology” as some people have termed it was equally obfuscatory and insincere. //

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That is an important distinction.

The info I wrote in #7 would be better stated that way, that they'd pulled to website ads... THEN LIED about it afterwards. This was discussed, with screen shots taken and saved, on the earlier thread at 42, 44, 51 et al.

45 posted on 02/25/2013 8:10:26 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: The Working Man

Throw a Burkah on her and I don’t have a problem with it.

A two Fer!!!!!


46 posted on 02/25/2013 8:21:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Paladin2
so I went looking, this from 2009 --apparently h-s apology was as sincere as the one here about the targets, and they were suffering for it.
47 posted on 02/25/2013 8:23:42 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: cyn
"“No comment. That never happened. He was never affiliated with us. No comment. Move along. We do not include product testimonials.”"

Thanks, I didn't realize the association was as short lived as it was.

48 posted on 02/25/2013 8:32:59 PM PST by Paladin2
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// The targets HAVE been pulled, as of last week. //

Correction: NOTE POSTS 42 AND 44 — the targets are still available, just are not on their website and subject to scrutiny any longer. They are not apologizing for making the targets, only for .

The push towards desensitization, therefore, continues... (as if it was really needed — unarmed Vicki Weaver was shot while holding her infant).


49 posted on 02/25/2013 8:39:16 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: cyn
Here's a new one to me:

"Rainbow Farm was a pro-marijuana campground in Newberg Township, Cass County, Michigan, that was involved in a fatal police standoff on September 3, 2001. The campground was run by Tom Crosslin and his life partner Rolland "Rollie" Rohm, and was home to two annual festivals, "HempAid" and "Roach Roast", which ran from 1996 through 2001.

The operation ended with the burning down of all the structures on the property and the deaths of both Tom Crosslin and Rolland Rohm."

50 posted on 02/25/2013 8:39:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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