Posted on 02/26/2013 6:30:34 AM PST by 7thson
I am going to try to say this without too much rambling. Last night driving home, I turned on the radio to listen to Mark Levin. He is in the middle of his rant against McDonnell of Virginia. He then talks about Scott of Florida and lists the Repub governors who have now accepted Obamacare.
A few of those governors were Tea Party favorites – McDonnell, Scott, Brewer, Kasich, Martinez.
It seemed so depressing. Every time we turn around, this guy in the White House continues to win his goals while our beliefs are constantly undermined.
This Lent, I have started to read more and more of the Bible, the passages from My Daily Bread and from My Imitation of Christ. A belief that I have had for a few years now is now hardening more and more. We continue to set these people up to be our saviors only to constantly have them betray our principles. I have come to recognize and believe more and more that there is only one Savior and that is Jesus Christ. True, He is not going to run for political office and he will not be here right now to set things straight – as we think they should be.
Years ago, I thought that the system corrupted the individuals. Now I firmly believe that before an individual runs for political office, the wet finger goes in the air, and the individual chooses the political party they think will get them in office. The political individual is corrupt from the get-go and uses us to achieve their ends.
I just do not believe these people anymore. I see myself becoming less involved in worldly and political events. I want to get more involved with Jesus, with God. The leftists can have it. Let it all crumble. I will side with Jesus.
Okay, I get the sentiment - but in a practical basis - what does that mean? How do you walk that one out? Do you just not care any more if you are taxed or regulated into the poor house? Do you quit supporting causes like, oh, pro life or sanctity of marriage? Will you be happy to hear from the Obama Care death panel now? I mean, you can walk away from the system, but the system will not walk away from you.
Yet, on Election Day, there was little to no Get out the Vote effort by the Republicans, no armies of lawyers checking for voter fraud, and the next day everybody was talking like this election was like any other election.
I'm sorry, but I DID believe this election was "the most important in a generation". Before Obama was elected, my family had a 6-figure income, we owned a house, we tithed to our church, and helped out those in need. After 5 years of Obama, we're on Food Stamsp, lost the house, declared bankruptcy, and are on the receiving end of that charity.
Now that I see that the Republican party loves and admires Obama as much as Rahm Emanuel does, I agree with you: following the King of Kings is way better than trusting in Princes.
All that matters to the govt is, will you continue to pay income tax to support its efforts, or not?
What does it matter? The Representatives we send to Washington, for the these reasons we’re sending them there, turn out to be closet left-wing Regressive Progladytes who, through their actions, show they love and admire Obama and only pretended to be Conservative so the “Idiot Rubes” back home would elect them.
I too, am tired. Even our local Republican town committee is full of wishy-washy, limp wristed rinos. They can’t band together to oppose the most ridiculous gun bill.
I would say let them have it but what do I tell my sons in five years when there are soviet style marches in the streets of D.C.?
How do I look them in the eye and say, “I tried!”?
Indeed. They system will not walk away from you, no matter what you do. Good walk down memory lane here, but the conclusion is that no one will be ever left to mind their own life again:http://www.fredoneverything.net/Guns.shtml
I relate. Once one realizes that spiritual warfare is taking place, it begins to make more sense. May God bless you.
I think following the example of Christ is the right thing to do. Peter was willing to take on the Roman Army and Jesus stopped him. If He had not stopped him, I don’t think Peter would have been around to be the rock Jesus needed him to be.
As for what do you tell your grandkids, tell them to ask their parents what happened. If we’re around to tell them anything.
Then why are you even posting here? Your very presence here demonstrates that you don’t even believe everything you say. Think about it.
Yeah. You just have to keep promoting these totally unprincipled sleazebags because they say the right things for a few months, long enough to get themselves elected to a position where you and I do not matter any more. As a representative or governor or senator his future is paved with satin by the money thrown at him in his first term and he does not have to rely on even being re-elected for that Easy Street address, though it would be nice. He does what he has to do to get elected and then does what he has to do to get himself financially insulated. So far, our Tea Party heroes have more often than not, proven to be plain old generic politicians. I cheer when a Cruz stands up for principle but that is just today. How many days can/will he keep that up when he is denying himself Ease and access to fashionable cocktail parties? I have no faith in any of them.
You can pick and choose scriptures to prove anything you want. The fact remains, at the time Christ stopped Peter and the sword...it was a key moment in Christ fulfilling all that He was sent to do.
God used violence often - and he sent us all 66 books to review. Paul used sarcasm, logic and debated very passionately in the years after the incident you cherry picked. If God has called you to do nothing politically (and that may indeed be the case) - please don’t assume we all have that same following. Such would be to totally IGNORE why God used “the body” as His analogy.
They will look you in the eye and ask why didn't you get out when you still could?
Your description of the political career ladder is more or less accurate, but if you are indicating that the only two choices are “more of the same” or “nothing” - then I am not participating in your limitations.
I’ll answer as if you were asking me those questions. I get hung up on all this stuff and wring my hands over what’s going to happen. I think, however, the answer is to trust God and get close to Him.
He was the one who gave us this glorious nation to begin with. He stirred the hearts of godly men to fight for what we have. He can do it again, but only if we’re close to Him. There is a practical definition for this. Reading His word and talking to Him. Read Philippians 4 (KJV because I doubt the other version’s credibility because they were translated in the age of Postmodernism and utilize dynamic equivalence).
CEW: “You can walk away from the system, but the system will not walk away from you.”
That sums it up. I understand the poster’s sentiments, but the left won’t leave us alone. They mean to control our children, our property, and even our bodies.
Really, the only way to “let them have it all”, ie, to fully experience the consequences of their ideology,
is secession. And that would mean war, because there’s no way they’d just let us get out from under their thumb.
Keep fighting the good fight. Don’t compromise your principles. Rest assured that in the end we will be victorious. Keep it in perspective and remember that THIS is not our home.
I agree with everything you said, except, it does NOT answer the question. The question of a personal relationship to God is NOT the same question as what we are called to do as individuals related to the destruction of the nation. My take on this vanity post is that the author is substituting those two concepts.
You can have a personal relationship with God in slavery, but you cannot serve God if a bureaucrat owns all of your property and therefore owns YOU.
If the founding fathers were here to listen to this conversation, would they tell us that what is needed is for us to stand up and say, “If these current leaders will not lead, then it is up to us to run against them, win, and lead in the manner we claim to want?”
We cannot change things with the current “leadership”. They all have to go.
That means some 600 new faces are going to have to accept the call to serve their country in an active way, even if it is a burden we do not want.
“get out”? - Get out and go . . where? . . This is it.
I’m of a similar sentiment, in that I simply don’t trust any politician anymore. Promises are made and just as easily, they’re broken. These people were elected to carry out a particular mandate of standing in the gap for us against the marauding hordes of Obama’s regime. They’d been entrusted with standing firm and not meekly bargaining away every issue — fiscal or social — that comes to the fore.
Prior to the 6 Nov election, I had hopes this country truly saw the error of its 2008 ways and wanted badly to self-correct, but that correction never came. Instead, America doubled-down on the rampant waste, overregulation and disastrous social engineering policies progressives have salivated over for generations.
I no longer understand this country, other than the fact the traditional values that made her great are rapidly fading and giving way to unmitigated evil.
All that I seem to be able to gather from all this is the Lord has lifted His protective hand from America, and many deep and difficult tribulations lie on the horizon.
I was simply pointing out what happened when the soldiers came. As for Christ using violence, I can’t remember any examples. In fact the only time I remember Jesus losing His temper was when he threw the moneychangers out of the Temple. Then again, I’m not a Bible scholar. I just try to focus on the words written in red.
As for fulfilling the prophecy, and for my soul’s sake I’m glad it was fulfilled, for all I know obama’s destruction of America may be fulfillment of prophecy. If that’s the case, I sure don’t want to get in His way.
During the Obamacare debate I made phone calls and wrote letters. What happened? Eighty percent of the country did not want it - we were ignored and it got crammed down our throats. CJ Roberts turns against the right and says it is Constitutional. The Repub govs we thought would stop it are now accepting the money.
The system is broke and I think beyond repair. I am stocking up and hunkering down. The system will collapse - can you say Atlas Shrugged - and there will be hell to pay all over and everyone will pay it. Severe times are ahead and we will all suffer. I will suffer knowing Christ is my Lord and Savior.
It is a difficult issue because the implications are huge. The phrase that comes to mind is “all or nothing”. Are we all in or all out? Are we going to fully trust Him? I don’t know how to explain it. I think we lose focus on what He’s called us to when we grind our teeth over politics.
If we put our focus on Him, He does the work through us. Instead of turning over every rock to find all the commies, we read God’s word, pray to Him, he then stirs out hearts to win souls and disciple people, commies end up getting saved and on board with the good guys.
The problem in America is spiritual, not political. The spiritual problem begins with God’s people, God’s people are called to be Christ-like, the only way to be like Him is to know Him, the only way to know Him is through His word.
As someone among many millions who still love freedom, I don't think it's a stretch to think that my last breath will be spent squeezing off rounds defending my family. I just hope it's quick.
I believe that in these times, now that the normalcy bias has clearly been shattered, the focus of many patriot groups has turned to prepping. We should think of prepping in the physical, psychological, and Christian senses. Sure, much of the focus of these groups are still devoted to state and local issues, but I believe that the major utility of devoting time to state and local issues is to better preserve islands of liberty in a national environment of the inevitable decline.
I’m not saying that we just sit around and read God’s word and talk about His word amongst ourselves, quite voting, and stop holding our servants accountable. If we are close to Him, he’ll use us to make things right. Sometimes without the knowing it’s happening. We’ll just enjoy the benefits of obeying Him.
>>>I would say let them have it but what do I tell my sons in five years when there are soviet style marches in the streets of D.C.?
How do I look them in the eye and say, “I tried!”?>>>
Trust Jesus.
In the meantime act according to His precepts. In other words, TRY.
I feel your pain but I believe one can walk and chew gum at the same time.
And, soon....our 401k's
As a Christian, I too place His teaching above whatever the worldly people throw our way. And I'm incredibly disappointed with the direction our country has gone, but not really all that surprised. The public treasury is a powerful tool, and the people did not guard it prudently. And now it is being gutted for selfish reasons.
And yet, within my control, I can still try to be the person God wants me to be, and I can raise my children to follow Him as well. Let the politicians grab their rewards now, I'm looking at the long term.
“They will look you in the eye and ask why didn’t you get out when you still could?”
Get out of what? Life?
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Only concentrate on the words in red huh? Sounds very spiritual. Methinks the Author of the rest of the words would be offended, not to mention the fact that you will be missing a lot of context.
Hunkering down and “shrugging” a la Atlas is a little bit different than the vapor I sensed from the OP. My family has done, and is in the process of continuing, a bit of a shrugging/hunkering process now. And we are followers of Christ. I still believe I am called to speak into the political.
You are talking apples, and I am talking oranges. I have no problem with your apples, but you seem to insist I turn my oranges into apples. Like you said, “He stirred the hearts of Godly men to fight” - that’s what I’m talking about. You assume He has not done that because He has not stirred your heart to do so. Think about what you just wrote.
You may be right. I’ve thought the same thing, and also thought that my last breath will be on another continent as well.
I understand why some are weary that their words are not heeded. We've had plenty of warnings since the 2008 election, and as far as I can see, it's only getting worse. That's why I admire Sarah Palin so much-she has been beaten down at every turn, and vilified more than anyone I can remember, and yet, she always seems to have a strong spirit and something positive to say. That she remains so strong is proof to me that God has not abandoned us, and those who trudge on are on the right path.
In a purely political sense, there is reason to hope that this can be turned around. Of course, there is reason to believe the opposite as well, but since this entire thread assumes that, I’ll focus on why it might not be over.
The only election to go the wrong way since 2008 is the 2012 election. And as awful as that way, every election of consequence went against the liberals starting with a Georgia run off three weeks after 2008 election and ending with Wisconsin’s recall. The only way the liberals win now is through a cult of personality. That cult is done for as of the next election.
Yes, I know, there is evidence it is too late, and that may be the case. And yes, I know, politics can not save us. I get all that. All I’m saying is that while politics won’t save us, it damned sure can doom us.
www.TokyoRove.com
Give to Caesar what is Caesor’s, and give to God what is Gods. Gods image is not on the money so I will pay my taxes. But I will give glory to God, not to the government.
He’s certainly not called us to nihilism, which is what I think many of us are tending to. I’m really not comparing apples and oranges though. What I’m talking about is written much better in chapter 14 of “Hudson Taylor’s Spiritual Secret”. Outside of the Bible, that chapter has influenced my thinking more than anything else.
It’s better read but here’s a reading of it on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5LWfLVf8Nk
What do you want - an armed insurection? I am not ready for that and neither are many others. When the system collapses, we will see how it shakes out.
Too late.
USA is owned lock stock and barrel since FDR and the 1930s.
No one can argue it is not a socialist neo-marxist country.
I am so sorry I missed that one. Hopefully I can remember to snag it from his website and listen later today.
That’s great, but yes, it is indeed apples.
My wife is 8 thousand miles away now, working on her “apples”
http://10eighteen.wordpress.com/about/
My book is being uplodated today as ebook and will be avail by hard copy in time for CPAC. These are my “oranges.” www.TokyoRove.com
And we are liquidating our real estate and other stuff to a degree, contemplating a move to more red states or over seas. Call that our “fruit salad.”
What you posted is great, but make no mistake, it is apples.
Thanks for posting this. I dearly needed it. Have you read “Hudson Taylor’s Spiritual Secret”? Read Chapter 14.
Or you can listen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5LWfLVf8Nk
Not it’s not. You should move to Oklahoma. Honestly, Texas is probably better.
Excellent essay by Fred Reed.
It’s too bad his writings are not welcomed here on FR (try to post one of his pieces as a “standalone thread” and see what happens)...
Is it time to “shoot the bastards” yet?
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