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Warming climate could mean bigger blizzards, less snow
cnn ^ | 2/26/2013 | Matt Smith and Brandon Miller

Posted on 02/26/2013 4:56:52 PM PST by tobyhill

OK, go ahead and get the "Where's my global warming?" jokes out of your system. With the U.S. Midwest trudging through its second blizzard in a week, we understand. But while it may seem contradictory at first, scientists say bigger blizzards fit the pattern they expect to see from a changing climate.

The immediate meteorological cause of the back-to-back snowstorms is a colder-than-normal mass of air that's been hovering over the central United States, combined with an amped-up jet stream that's been dipping south from Canada. That makes conditions ripe for major snowstorms after a warmer-than-normal January for most of the Lower 48.

"Once you get into a pattern that sets up these storms, they can repeat themselves," National Weather Service Director Louis Uccellini told CNN.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming

1 posted on 02/26/2013 4:56:57 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Just making stuff up as they go along.


2 posted on 02/26/2013 5:00:52 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: tobyhill

Warm air holds more moisture than cold air. Simple scientific fact.

So, if the warm air holds more moisture; then logic would dictate that the warmer air would be more humid. Logic would also dictate that when this moist warm air hit cold air; the water would “freeze” out, producing MORE snow.

Almost any child can punch a hole in this theory.


3 posted on 02/26/2013 5:02:04 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: tobyhill
These people continue to make big fools of themselves. If it is cold and snowy, it's AGW; if it's hot and humid, it's AGW; if it rains more than average, it's AGW; if there's a drought, it's AGW!

It's junk science!

4 posted on 02/26/2013 5:02:34 PM PST by expat2
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To: mgstarr

It’s too hot: Global Warming! It’s too cold: Global Warming! It’s just right: hmm, Global Warming Not!


5 posted on 02/26/2013 5:03:40 PM PST by LLBeet
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To: tobyhill

The progressives have executed a very smart strategy by having NBCU buy and operate the Weather Channel.

They impart this same type of false science propaganda 24/7/365 to a lot of people.


6 posted on 02/26/2013 5:06:43 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: tobyhill

The midwest can expect more snowless blizzards


7 posted on 02/26/2013 5:06:56 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: tobyhill

Except there has been no warming for about 16 years now.


8 posted on 02/26/2013 5:07:11 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: tobyhill

And one volcano could mean another “year without a summer” look it up


9 posted on 02/26/2013 5:07:43 PM PST by Figment
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To: tobyhill
"Pay no attention to that UN Agenda 21 man behind the curtain."
10 posted on 02/26/2013 5:09:28 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: tobyhill

Global warming means warming, too much rain, too little rain, blizzards, global cooling. Gotta hedge your bets so you can say you were right no matter what happens.


11 posted on 02/26/2013 5:10:16 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: tobyhill

so... more rain=global warming, more snow=global warming, less snow=global warming, less rain=global warming, more wind=global warming, less wind=global warming...

I get it...


12 posted on 02/26/2013 5:12:04 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Mr. K

Windless tornadoes expected to follow....


13 posted on 02/26/2013 5:13:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mgstarr

According to the them, literally EVERY weather event is caused by globull warming.


14 posted on 02/26/2013 5:14:43 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: mgstarr

According to the them, literally EVERY weather event is caused by globull warming.


15 posted on 02/26/2013 5:15:02 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: tobyhill
Even if global warming or whatever is true, man can do absolutely nothing about it.

The arrogance, and hubris of these people knows no bounds.

5.56mm

16 posted on 02/26/2013 5:16:55 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: tobyhill
"Joe Bastardi and the WeatherBELL team warned us about Hurricane Sandy nine days before landfall. They provided unwavering forecasts for a landfalling hurricane around NYC, and we were the first to know that this unprecedented event would occur"......I'll put my money on Joe Bastardi any day for the truth about weather.....it is always changing and we can't do anything about it regardless of the Chicken Little approach of Algoreites....for money and power.
17 posted on 02/26/2013 5:17:10 PM PST by yoe
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To: tobyhill

It’s called winter. There is snow in most winters. It has been that way for a long time.


18 posted on 02/26/2013 5:20:13 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: dragnet2
The definition of a blizzard doesn't have anything to do with the amount of snow. A blizzard is primarily a winter wind event.

Officially, the National Weather Service defines a blizzard as a severe snowstorm characterized by strong winds causing blowing snow that results in low visibilities. The difference between a blizzard and a snowstorm is the strength of the wind, not the amount of snow. To be a blizzard, a snow storm must have sustained winds or frequent gusts that are greater than or equal to 56 km/h (35 mph) with blowing or drifting snow which reduces visibility to 400 meters or a quarter mile or less and must last for a prolonged period of time — typically three hours or more.

I think we ended up getting less than an inch of snow the day I took this last week.

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20 posted on 02/26/2013 5:27:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: tobyhill

Global warming advocates define the word rationalization. They hedge their predictions in a way that would shame the Oracle at Delphi.


21 posted on 02/26/2013 5:29:54 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: tobyhill

Any “theory” which purports to explain everything in fact explains nothing.


22 posted on 02/26/2013 5:30:43 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: dragnet2
"The midwest can expect more snowless blizzards"

Yeah ... I'll bet a truck with a plow on it will get you a free cup of coffee in Amarillo right now ;)

23 posted on 02/26/2013 5:30:55 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: tobyhill

The beauty of ‘Global Warming’ is that it can mean anything, and only government can stop it.


24 posted on 02/26/2013 5:36:41 PM PST by IncPen (Read the Constitution!)
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To: tobyhill

Same logic as “Dying in the desert of thirst, must mean you’re less thirsty.”


25 posted on 02/26/2013 5:41:24 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: tobyhill
it's a twister
26 posted on 02/26/2013 5:42:43 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: yoe

I follow Joe Bastardi on twitter. He’s a pretty conservative guy and has a pretty clear dislike of “The Emperor” and his Warmist flying monkeys.


27 posted on 02/26/2013 5:48:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: tobyhill

Global warming (aka climate change) has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with money and control.

Without access to fossil fuels for transportation, people will migrate to cities where they can be more easily manipulated and controlled.

Green energy companies, controlled by liberals, get billions of dollars in government handouts, part of which they use to line the pockets of the liberals who grant them yet more government handouts.

Recommended: “Cool It”, a movie by Bjorn Lomborg. It’s on Netflix.


28 posted on 02/26/2013 6:01:49 PM PST by randita
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To: Figment
And one volcano could mean another “year without a summer” look it up

A large meteor dumping 10,000 tons of dust in the upper atmosphere might have an effect as well.

29 posted on 02/26/2013 6:01:49 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: randita
Its collapsing all around them but they aren't quitters.

Study: Wind power's role overestimated

"People have often thought there's no upper bound for wind power -- that it's one of the most scalable power sources," Harvard University applied physicist David Keith says.

The thought is based on the belief gusts and breezes aren't likely to "run out" on a global scale in the way oil wells might run dry, he said in a Harvard release Monday.

But an atmospheric modeling study, published in the journal Environmental Research Letters, suggests a law of diminishing returns when it comes to the largest of wind farms.

Every wind turbine creates a downwind "shadow" in which the air has been slowed by drag on the turbine's blades, so turbines have to be spaced far enough apart to reduce the effect of these wind shadows.

But as wind farms grow larger, Keith said, they start to interact and regional-scale wind patterns matter more.


Its basic high school physics children. I'm a highschool dropout and even I know that when you convert kinetic wind energy into electricity, you have lost that kinetic wind energy.
30 posted on 02/26/2013 6:06:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: tobyhill

I can’t wait for the Weather Channel to announce the formation of Winter Storm Xerxes. What a bunch of schisters. And if I hear the phrase “Super Storm Sandy” once more, I am going to hurl. Next, they will start naming droughts in Texas.


31 posted on 02/26/2013 6:36:35 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector

I can already see it: everyday there is not rain in Texas, or better yet, Arizona, in the summer, will have a name. Oh, the fun we could have.


32 posted on 02/26/2013 6:41:46 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: tobyhill

It’s dummy ideas like this that explain why they changed “global warming” to the more vague “climate change”. They just don’t want to confuse the low-info voter.


33 posted on 02/26/2013 6:43:32 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Hugin
Except there has been no warming for about 16 years now.

Actually we have been experiencing a massive energetic cool off since the last extended solar minimum began about 6-8 years ago. Perhaps one of the steepest cool offs in recent history. Earlier this month we set a new low temperature mark for the entire northern hemisphere. The record for the lowest temperature ever recorded in modern times in the northern hemisphere was shattered by 3 whole degrees C. That means that we recently experienced the coldest day in the NH over the past 80 years. Imagine how quickly we must have cooled, since we came off that El Nino 1998 atmospheric warmup.

Yeah I know the MSM is running around claiming one of the top warmest temperature years ever, but we all know they lie like banshees and their metrics are all biased. You simply cannot deny the coldest day ever in the NH for the past 80 years.

34 posted on 02/26/2013 6:57:53 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: tobyhill

Warming climate could mean anything the Left’s cadre of science fictionists says it means — but, more than anything, it means big, fat, taxpayer-funded grants for the Left’s cadre of science fictionists.


35 posted on 02/26/2013 7:05:10 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: tobyhill
Man, some days I just ssay to myself "Why couldn't I think of this shit first? I'd be a millionaire!!"

Too much snow - global warming

Too little snow - global warming

Too much rain - global warming

Not enough rain - global warming

Everything comes back to global warming, and people are so ignorant and uninformed that they buy it...hook, line and sinker.

We really might be experiencing, in our lifetimes, the left hand side of the 'Bell curve' in terms of human intelligence, ever so steadily sliding toward oblivion...

36 posted on 02/26/2013 7:05:30 PM PST by Fedupwithit (You gave him what he wanted. I gave him what he needed.)
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To: tobyhill

Let me take a stab here at the game of “substitute one liberal lie for another” to show how transparent they are-—

— by rewriting their first paragraph:

OK, go ahead and get the “Where are my 20 million villagers?” jokes out of your system. With the Soviet Union trudging through its second purge in a week, we understand. But while it may seem contradictory at first, scientists say bigger pogroms fit the pattern they expect to see from an improving society.

— are you falling for it yet?


37 posted on 02/26/2013 7:39:01 PM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: Calamari

On the local news tonight they did announce that it is going to be hot in Houston this summer. Sure am glad to have that piece of information. Otherwise I would not ever have known what to look forward to this year!


38 posted on 02/26/2013 7:41:55 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: dragnet2

Just like how the SF paper reported, in the same story, how global warming was going to cause droughts and floods in California.


39 posted on 02/26/2013 7:46:20 PM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Look at the graph for sunspot cycle 24. It’s way below normal and is following a similar decline pattern as the Maunder minimum. 2022-2024 could get really cold.


40 posted on 02/26/2013 8:09:55 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Timocrat
Sunspot cycle 24 is closely matching sunspot cycle #5.

from Solar Update February 2013

41 posted on 02/26/2013 9:03:59 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: tobyhill

In our part of the country we’ve had about three inches of snow this year, well below the average twenty-one inches and the predicted for the winter twenty-five inches - and yet they can tell us that in fifty years the sea level will rise three point seven one inches and the temperature increase by two point six eight degrees......


42 posted on 02/26/2013 9:11:00 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Grams A

Enjoy your Summer! I imagine it will be hot around San Antonio this summer too.


43 posted on 02/26/2013 9:40:08 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: justa-hairyape

I was refering to this...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released—chart-prove-it.html#ixzz2M3e2IyzP


44 posted on 02/26/2013 11:17:48 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin
You can get better accuracy by biasing every post modern temperature trend report downward. Basically downshift every temperature curve trend by 45 degrees. So when they say it was warming, in reality what occurred was, it had warmed but was currently holding a steady trend. Believe me if there was a sure fire sign of continuing warming after the 1998 El Nino, it would have been obvious. They were catching Dorado off the coast of So Cal the water was so warm.

So now when they admit the temperature has recently held steady, in reality what has occurred is a recent dramatic drop in total biosphere energy. Not completely discernible in the noise of the temperature metric, but we have seen in North America the past few weeks, what Eurasia has seen this winter. And we will continue to see more of this drastic cooling trend the next few weeks.

45 posted on 02/27/2013 3:34:55 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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