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Senate GOP ponders ceding power to President Obama (BE CAREFUL, this *IS* Politico)
Politico ^ | By MANU RAJU and DAVID ROGERS

Posted on 02/27/2013 8:02:23 AM PST by Lazamataz

Days before the March 1 deadline, Senate Republicans are circulating a draft bill that would cancel $85 billion in across-the-board spending cuts and instead turn over authority to President Barack Obama to achieve the same level of savings under a plan to be filed by March 8.

The five- page document, which has the tacit support of Senate GOP leaders, represents a remarkable shift for the party. Having railed against Senate Democrats for not passing a budget, Republicans are now proposing that Congress surrender an important piece of its Constitutional “power of the purse” for the last seven months of this fiscal year.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/senate-gop-ponders-shifting-power-to-obama-88149.html#ixzz2M7EpMR1V


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehner; obamapunishesusa; sequestration
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Be careful, this is Politico, and they have a habit of lying outright.

However, if this is true: Between this and the Hagel vote, it is clear that Republicans hold all the same views as Democrats, except for the 'winning lots of elections' thing.

1 posted on 02/27/2013 8:02:29 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz

Doesn’t that bring us full-circle back to the Line Item Veto (which was already declared to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS?)


2 posted on 02/27/2013 8:03:46 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lazamataz

Day in and day out, the vein in my forehead bulges further and further.


3 posted on 02/27/2013 8:07:28 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Lazamataz

McConnell has been hiding in the weeds and getting ready to drop something. No leadership or credible opposition from him at all. What a dirtbag he is.


4 posted on 02/27/2013 8:08:55 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Lazamataz
What could go wrong? What difference does it make? Let's all be good little progressives fascists.
5 posted on 02/27/2013 8:09:19 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Lazamataz
One party rule works so well..

Demrepublicrats.

6 posted on 02/27/2013 8:27:15 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Lazamataz

I think it’s safe to say no one heeded your headline warning, which was my first impulse - to check the source. Time will tell....but many leap before looking around here...


7 posted on 02/27/2013 8:36:22 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Lazamataz
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8 posted on 02/27/2013 8:37:24 AM PST by RetSignman ("...a Republic if you can keep it")
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To: Lazamataz

Haven’t they essentially already done that?

They haven’t successfully defeated or even stood up to Obama on anything.


9 posted on 02/27/2013 8:41:35 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
it brings us back to PRE-NIXON sequestration where it was assumed to be a Presidential prerogative to not spend all the appropriate funds.

The Democrats imagined at the time that they should have FULL FUNDING so they automatically opposed any effort for sequestration. Through their control of Congress they finally passed a law prohibiting the President from doing it on his own, and then they allowed outside groups to take the whole issue to court.

Congress appears to have the Constitutional power to control sequestration with or without the President, and they can also allow the President to 'jus do it'.

The Democrats are giving up on this one too easily ~ but I can hear Teddy Kennedy rolling over in his grave ~ the line item veto you mentioned was supposed to be a way back to Presidential sequestration power ~ but the court said 'yo'all cain't do it that way neither'.

10 posted on 02/27/2013 8:41:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: chris37

“They haven’t successfully defeated or even stood up to Obama on anything.”

Republicans: the incredible shrinking party !!

Fighting amongst themselves in a race towards obscurity !!

Can you predict how quickly they will disappear ??


11 posted on 02/27/2013 8:45:41 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Lazamataz

Also remember that while we fully expect the no-ball bastard RINO Republicans in the Senate to puss out, the ‘deal’ still has to go through the House.

It galls me that the Senate takes the lead on fiscal things like this when the Constitution delegates that authority to the House of Representatives. Technically, the Senate cannot originate a spending bill.


12 posted on 02/27/2013 8:46:04 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Lazamataz

The Republican Party already has. They just don’t admit it.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 8:47:54 AM PST by sport
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To: Lazamataz

I call bull shit on this article. If we should believe this then why has Congress been holding back the “One” from spending the last several months? Remember the “One” wants to make “Pubbies” a thing of the past and this article is a damn good start!


14 posted on 02/27/2013 8:54:17 AM PST by elephant
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To: Lazamataz
With any other president, I might support this gridlock-breaking idea, assuming it was done with full transparency so that the president could be held accountable. I would expect any other president given this power to act, roughly speaking, in the interests of the United States of America.

With this one, not so much.

15 posted on 02/27/2013 8:55:08 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Lazamataz

This move is transparent, and too clever by half. They think they can make Obama govern. That will not be happening. They have the right idea, in that they FINALLY are trying to make him own it, but this stunt won’t do any good at all.


16 posted on 02/27/2013 8:57:34 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: elephant
I call bull shit on this article.

The very source -- Politico -- makes your thoughts more relevant.

17 posted on 02/27/2013 8:59:37 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey, how much could the DEms possibly spend in 7 months?

Let ‘em have the reins, we’ll keep the ammo.


18 posted on 02/27/2013 9:08:25 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Gaffer
"--the ‘deal’ still has to go through the House--"

Consider this however. Pelosi could be considered the defacto Speaker of the House. The Rat caucus and 20 or so go along to get a long GOPe Rinos can totally neuter the conservative leaning GOP house members, especially with the lack of leadership by Boehner. Game, set, and match for Obama. Of course the bill giving in to the 0ne would have to be passed first before we can know what is in it.

19 posted on 02/27/2013 9:09:41 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: Lazamataz

If this turns out to be true, why not just stop paying the Senate for not doing their job? Just dissolve the whole thing with their staff, sell off the building, vehicles, aircraft, etc and I’m sure we could save all kinds of cash.

If we are going to have open borders, let’s dismantle Homeland Security and Border Patrol.

If we’re going to crash, let’s crash HARD, killing everyone on board!


20 posted on 02/27/2013 9:12:37 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: buckalfa
I didn't say that the House couldn't be maneuvered into a sellout, especially with that crying baby BONER. He still is the Speaker and supposed to call the shots, but there are still some Conservative recalcitrants in the House that could raise holy hell and stop this thing if they persevered.
21 posted on 02/27/2013 9:14:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Lazamataz

GOP leadership, aka The Democrat Front.


22 posted on 02/27/2013 9:17:09 AM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: hattend
If this turns out to be true, why not just stop paying the Senate for not doing their job? Just dissolve the whole thing with their staff, sell off the building, vehicles, aircraft, etc and I’m sure we could save all kinds of cash.

Agreed. In other words, let's just have the Reichstag fire without all the flames and burning and smoke and stuff.

23 posted on 02/27/2013 9:17:45 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Ray76

I don’t understand!!!


24 posted on 02/27/2013 9:19:27 AM PST by Sophia777
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To: Lazamataz

I did not realize we had so many French Republicans.


25 posted on 02/27/2013 9:19:38 AM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Lazamataz
I believe Politico as a source better than most. They have plenty of inside information.

It confirms what I have sensed all along. The Reps are starting to panic. They are the ones coming up with all of the alternatives. They are again negotiating with themselves.

They should just do nothing and ask the President and Reid to come up with a plan. Otherwise the miniscule cuts should go forward. We all know that this does not bind subsequent Congresses and that much of money will be restored under the CR negotiations.

Obama and the Dems are sending a clear message. No spending cuts will be tolerated--however small. It is meant to intimidate the Reps from making any further "cuts" without including tax increases on the "rich."

26 posted on 02/27/2013 9:20:11 AM PST by kabar
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To: Lazamataz

IF this is true, the republicrat party is done.

Stick a fork in it and drive a stake through its heart. And good riddance!


27 posted on 02/27/2013 9:20:52 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: All

Kinda hard to get things done when you control 1/3 of the Government and the other side controls 2/3 of the Government.. Just saying.


28 posted on 02/27/2013 9:42:44 AM PST by KevinDavis (Islam is the biggest threat in the world..)
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To: kabar

It confirms what I have sensed all along. The Reps are starting to panic. They are the ones coming up with all of the alternatives. They are again negotiating with themselves.


Sadly, we have seen this train wreck before. McConnell lives for these complicated deals. I get worried when he is so quiet. He should have been with Boehner at the presser smacking the kenyan. But when McConnell is hiding under his desk something bad is always around the corner.


29 posted on 02/27/2013 9:43:06 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Gaffer; All

Hey Dummy,, the house has been passing the bills left and right.. It is Harry Reid who has been stopping them in the Senate..


30 posted on 02/27/2013 9:45:20 AM PST by KevinDavis (Islam is the biggest threat in the world..)
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To: Road Glide

Yes.

They are already gone.

And if it was not for Ronald Reagan, they would never have even existed.


31 posted on 02/27/2013 9:51:17 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: KevinDavis

Kinda hard to get things done when you control 1/3 of the Government and the other side controls 2/3 of the Government.. Just saying.


Kinda hard to get things done when you have no fight. The kenyan said we will cause sick kids to starve. Them’s fightin’ words. Yet nothing from the GOP about that vile demagoguery. NOTHING. And you want to give them a medal for that?


32 posted on 02/27/2013 9:52:07 AM PST by lodi90
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To: KevinDavis

Who in the hell are you calling dummy? The facts are the facts. The HOUSE has to originate all fiscal spending bills, period. In practice, the Senate often takes the initiative and passes something, but it still has to pass through the House gate with the HOUSE recommending passing in conference what the Senate has proposed. If you were to look at the language of these conferences, you’d see the House is the one that finally approves. Call yourself a dummy


33 posted on 02/27/2013 9:53:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Lazamataz
Worst thing that can happen to any elected politician at the federal level is for the federal government to get smaller. They have a vested interest in growing the scope and size of the federal government. Unless it would mean losing their jobs at the ballot box, federal-level elected Republicans will always side with Democrats on growing the state.

Always.

34 posted on 02/27/2013 9:54:52 AM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: chris37; All

Coming from a loser Third Party supporter like you.. I doubt you losers supported Ronald Reagan..


35 posted on 02/27/2013 9:54:52 AM PST by KevinDavis (Islam is the biggest threat in the world..)
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To: Gaffer

I’m just stating the facts... BILLS HAVE BEEN COMING FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE HAS REFUSED TO BRING IT TO A VOTE... Dumb Ass.


36 posted on 02/27/2013 9:58:02 AM PST by KevinDavis (Third Parties are for losers.)
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To: Lazamataz

It’ll never happen - the democraps won’t fall for that. No way barky would take the fall and have to hand pick the programs that he’s cutting $85 billion from. First off that would mean he’d have to work, and we know he’s not going to do that. Second, then every dollar cut would be pinned on him - no way for him to blame anybody else.

Nice try for the rope-a-dope from the pubbies, but forget about it.


37 posted on 02/27/2013 10:03:45 AM PST by green iguana
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To: KevinDavis
Evidently, you cannot read. I explained the US Constitution requirements and what happens in practice through conference. The fact that you persist in calling an opposing view a derogatory name (e.g., Dummy and now ‘dumb ass’) only reinforces the fact that you cannot comprehend simple information.
38 posted on 02/27/2013 10:23:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Lazamataz

Maybe the strategy is to let obama own it all and take the fall for the economy.


39 posted on 02/27/2013 10:39:55 AM PST by jersey117
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To: green iguana
No way barky would take the fall and have to hand pick the programs that he’s cutting $85 billion from. First off that would mean he’d have to work, and we know he’s not going to do that. Second, then every dollar cut would be pinned on him

Exactly. You've got it; most posters on this thread are clueless.

And this is not the first time this has been proposed contrary to what Politico is saying. The GOP has already been saying this but Bambi has not taken the bait.

40 posted on 02/27/2013 10:45:50 AM PST by what's up
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Doesn’t that bring us full-circle back to the Line Item Veto (which was already declared to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS?)

It's a parallel but I can see them massaging the nuances to avoid it.

41 posted on 02/27/2013 11:22:14 AM PST by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: Lazamataz
Dear Lazamataz,

It may not so much be false as reported with a bit of a spin.

The issue between the Kenyan anti-Christ and the Stupid Party is that both want to get rid of the sequester (because the cuts were purposely aimed at things each party didn't really want to cut, to persuade both sides to cut a deal, instead), but the anti-Christ is demanding that it come with increased taxes.

From this report, I gather, the Republicans are saying, look, we'll let YOU decide where to cut the $85 billion. You cut it where you think best. But you gotta do $85 billion in cuts, and you're not getting a penny more in taxes.

Then, whatever gets cut is the choice of the anti-Christ. Anyone who dislikes a specific cut can blame it on the anti-Christ.

Is it a good strategy? I don't know. But it's not quite what Politico is describing.


sitetest

43 posted on 02/27/2013 12:34:46 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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Woo hoo!! Less than $700 to go!!

44 posted on 02/27/2013 3:54:10 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: Lazamataz

Where are the militias?


45 posted on 02/27/2013 4:59:14 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: Lazamataz

Sometimes I wonder about the people at Politico if they have any notion of fairness nor honesty in any part of their head.

Most of all I find myself on occasions wondering if they can even consister the contraction in reasons they present to us on a daily basis.

Why on earth would senate republicans ponder ceding budge power to Obama if the problem was not entirely with their democratic counterpart refusal to agree or propose anything at all.

I find in the General reporting of the news, ever more impressive feats of deception by theses organizations all the more impressive in how successfully their half truths are propagating across the population.

It may be that the truth will get out eventually, i am starting to suspect that for most Americans today that will not be until long after it is far too late to do anything about it.

As a party and a movement we are not equipped to battle this evil, nor will they accept any form of surrender as Leftist republicans have proven time and time again.

We must face the fact that nobody will know what we have to say or think unless we ourselves tell them.


46 posted on 02/27/2013 7:19:37 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Road Glide

RINO’s don’t want to stand for anything so they are falling for EVERYTHING.

Who wants to be in a party run by people like that?

Let the Government shutdown, when the democrats refuses to pass anything. Then maybe you will have accomplished something for once in your life. Stop being the chicken!

We as a population have NOTHING TO GAIN from you chickening out!


47 posted on 02/27/2013 8:21:09 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: KevinDavis

“I’m just stating the facts... BILLS HAVE BEEN COMING FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE HAS REFUSED TO BRING IT TO A VOTE... Dumb Ass.”

I’ve heard this, unforutnatly almost nobody else has. and the Democrats get away with lying thou their teeth to the population about it.

I don’t know what we can possibly do with a president that gets a pass lying about on everything.


48 posted on 02/27/2013 8:23:49 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: KevinDavis

“I’m just stating the facts... BILLS HAVE BEEN COMING FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE HAS REFUSED TO BRING IT TO A VOTE... Dumb Ass.”

I’ve heard this, unforutnatly almost nobody else has. and the Democrats get away with lying thou their teeth to the population about it.

I don’t know what we can possibly do with a president & party that gets a pass lying about on everything. The facts seem ill-relevant to the people just as our voices seem to be effectively mute.

I do not know how we could possibly build a political case of any kind on anything without either of these tools.


49 posted on 02/27/2013 8:27:13 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: lodi90

I often wonder why senate republican so desire to have minority status when they reelected dirt-bags like McConnell.

Of course I wonder the same thing regarding House republicans, and John. Both of theses people have proven themselves disastrous leaders, and yet they like the present were reelected.

It seems being a disaster is the key to success in Washington D.C. Its funny how that is not true in any other city.


50 posted on 02/27/2013 8:30:29 PM PST by Monorprise
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