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Colorado lawmaker proposes liability law for assault weapons owners, sellers
KMGH ^ | Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Posted on 02/27/2013 1:27:42 PM PST by Red Steel

Senate President John Morse proposed bill

DENVER - Sellers and owners of assault weapons could be liable for damages caused by shootings under a bill proposed by Colorado's Democratic Senate president.

The bill is being introduced in the state Senate on Wednesday. Colorado Springs Sen. John Morse says his goal is to make assault weapon owners and sellers responsible for what he calls dangerous weapons.

"The bill I envision... it will deem these guns as unreasonably dangerous," said Morse. "It will not ban them, it will just hold people strictly liable, strictly responsible for what occurs. The effect is that everyone in the chain will be responsible for the actions of that gun."

"It will only apply to military-style assault weapons, firearms that are not handguns, bolt action rifles or shotguns," said Morse.

Critics of Morse's bill say it's a backdoor way to ban assault weapons. Republicans have also said Morse's idea may conflict with a 2005 federal law that protects gun makers and sellers from liability for crimes committed with their products.

Morse says jurors would decide whether sellers or owners should be held liable in individual cases.

The bill is part of a package of Democratic proposals in response to recent mass shootings. Other bills call for universal background checks for gun purchases and a ban on high-capacity magazines.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 02/27/2013 1:27:46 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

These people are mad to try to control others so closely.


2 posted on 02/27/2013 1:30:41 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red Steel

Bite me, commies! The law means nothing to you so don’t expect it to mean anything to me.


3 posted on 02/27/2013 1:33:52 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Red Steel

“The effect is that everyone in the chain will be responsible for the actions of that gun.”

You know, the gun that walks around by itself and shoots people randomly.

Another incredibly stupid politician.


4 posted on 02/27/2013 1:36:21 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Red Steel

Let me know when they propose making automobile, beer and other suppliers accountable when their products are misused.


5 posted on 02/27/2013 1:37:13 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: headstamp 2

Nothing like trying to pass a law that has already been decided against in court.


6 posted on 02/27/2013 1:37:24 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Red Steel

Why not mandate personal liability insurance coverage for lawmakers who vote for laws which are enacted but then later overturned by high courts for being unconstitutional.


7 posted on 02/27/2013 1:40:49 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: thackney

How about the damage from Democrat voters.


8 posted on 02/27/2013 1:42:00 PM PST by xone
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To: Red Steel

So, will Colorado sellers of beer, wine and liquor be responsible if someone they sell to drives drunk and causes an accident?


9 posted on 02/27/2013 1:45:03 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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10 posted on 02/27/2013 1:46:42 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Red Steel

I got transferred here back in 1991 and considered Colorado home. Looking into Wyoming. There will go 6 jobs and some pretty hefty taxes we pay.


11 posted on 02/27/2013 1:50:33 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: Red Steel

That is what the registration is all about, making it easier to trace the owner of the gun and make him liable for any crimes that take place using his gun if it is still registered to him.


12 posted on 02/27/2013 1:52:07 PM PST by Eva
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To: Red Steel

How about liability insurance for paroled felons that reoffend and hurt others? I’d like to see judges and lawyers held accountable for their reckless actions.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 1:55:49 PM PST by GP100
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To: Eva
That is what the registration is all about, making it easier to trace the owner of the gun and make him liable for any crimes that take place using his gun if it is still registered to him.

While I agree yor scenario is a likely side effect, the purpose of registration is confiscation.

14 posted on 02/27/2013 2:03:32 PM PST by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: Red Steel

When they do this with cars, maybe-—NOT!


15 posted on 02/27/2013 2:07:33 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Red Steel

This wouldn’t apply to 99% of the firearms owners because ASSAULT weapons are full auto, not semi-automatic.


16 posted on 02/27/2013 2:30:42 PM PST by Renegade
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To: headstamp 2

I gave all my guns a good talking to. They know to always hold my hand and when I put them down for bed in their rooms, they’re not allowed to come out until I come and get them.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 2:38:43 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Red Steel

The sellers part is too ridiculous for words and violates Federal law protection gun sellers and manufacturers from these frivolous lawsuits.

As for the owners part, if someone grossly negiligent in letting a person they know is likely to harm others use their weapon (”assault” or otherwise) car, hammer, cigarette lighter or whatever, they could already be held liable. Other than that, I have a novel idea, why not hold the MURDERERS liable?

How about a law holding Gun Grabbing politicians personally liable for all people killed or injured in “gun free zones” that they either voted for or failed to vote for the repeal of, in any case where it is reasonably likely that an armed citizen could have prevented the attack or reduced the injury and/or death toll?


18 posted on 02/27/2013 2:49:53 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Red Steel
everyone in the chain will be responsible for the actions of that gun

Words fail me.

An uncommon occurrence - ask my wife.

19 posted on 02/27/2013 2:51:35 PM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: Red Steel

These guys don’t seem to know the difference between -criminal- and -civil- actions. As a civil matter, owners are already liable for the damage they do with their guns. There is nothing for a legislature to do.


20 posted on 02/27/2013 3:18:34 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Red Steel
"Morse says jurors would decide whether sellers or owners should be held liable in individual cases."

Colorado jurors. Anyone thinking about letting that bill pass had best think again. Consider the "first settler syndrome" in CO too (established residents on the Range doing anything they can to have others forced back off of the Range). Consider the regulations in general, too (regulations against building, tiny manufacturing operations and many other productive activities: communistic).


21 posted on 02/27/2013 3:26:33 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel
"Republicans have also said Morse's idea may conflict with a 2005 federal law that protects gun makers and sellers from liability for crimes committed with their products."

Everyone will know that as a class war attack. For the time being, many people can easily afford to buy $1,000,000+ coverage for each firearm and would much rather have that kind of situation--especially in CO (disarming all of the lower income trash). Any of you considering letting it pass, should think again on that, too.

The likelihood of a bond collapse, skyrocketing interest rates, debt repudiation and currency adjustment is very high in the very near future. There won't be many well-to-do folks after that except for a few remaining in high government positions ("essentials").

See the complete outlawing of all firearms ahead for everyone, including pistols (retaliation from outlawed voters). Also remember the ingenuity that remains in people who repair and build for themselves. Such people can find their legal way around just about any regulations.


22 posted on 02/27/2013 3:42:13 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel

Notice how none of these laws affect the thugs and shooters in the inner cities?


23 posted on 02/27/2013 3:48:33 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: USNBandit
"Nothing like trying to pass a law that has already been decided against in court."

It would further outlaw the Second Amendment right of non-wealthy folks long enough to disarm them (followed by political retaliations against all who could afford such big-premium insurance). Think about how much appeals cost now. I've seen good wealthy people officiously robbed of everything, which prevented them from appealing.


24 posted on 02/27/2013 3:55:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel

I say go for, but have poll taxes back first.


25 posted on 02/27/2013 3:59:02 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: Eva
"That is what the registration is all about, making it easier to trace the owner of the gun and make him liable for any crimes that take place using his gun if it is still registered to him."

Great comment. Another thing to consider. Insurance companies already have access to quite a bit of private information, and police do use that. So do others. Yes, mandated insurance for firearms would be a gold mine of a registration system for political factions.


26 posted on 02/27/2013 4:03:51 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel

Let me know when this A$$hat passes a law that holds Rambo SWAT teams liable for kicking down the wrong door in the middle of the night.

And the moron judge who approved the move.

And the individual wannabe’s who did the deed. (especially the A$$wipe who gets “skeeerd” and shoots the dog.)

And the idiot DA who thought it was “A Good Ideeea!”

Till then bung face, keep your slimy fingers off my hardware.

(Not talking to you RS!)


27 posted on 02/27/2013 4:06:23 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Repeat Offender
I gave all my guns a good talking to. They know to always hold my hand and when I put them down for bed in their rooms, they’re not allowed to come out until I come and get them.

I got mine trained too. I just say, "Stay!" and they don't move. Still working on the, "Come here!" part.

28 posted on 02/27/2013 4:19:59 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: ez

No, they are not going to confiscate the guns unless you cannot afford the insurance, then you will have to voluntarily turn in the guns. The more guns you own, the higher the insurance. Many people will not be able to afford to insure more than one gun.


29 posted on 02/27/2013 5:41:14 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

So when I refuse to insure my small cache of firearms, what will they do?


30 posted on 02/27/2013 5:50:13 PM PST by ez (Laws only apply to little people. Criminals, politicians, and newsies are exempt.)
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To: Red Steel

Hmm, what amuses me about stuff like this is that the people who push it would howl like banshees if it was suggested all homosexuals or all blacks should be punished for the actions of a few.


31 posted on 02/27/2013 6:02:46 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Red Steel

Hmm, what amuses me about stuff like this is that the people who push it would howl like banshees if it was suggested all homosexuals or all blacks should be punished for the actions of a few.


32 posted on 02/27/2013 6:03:42 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: ez

Tell you to turn in the guns if they are registered. My guess is that they will try to make the gun registrations expire, like a car registration. Then, if you fail to pay the registration fee, they will ticket you. At the time of the annual registration you will be required to show proof of insurance.

This is all conjecture, but it is from hearing the Democrats talk about the benefit of universal gun registration.


33 posted on 02/27/2013 8:05:23 PM PST by Eva
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To: Red Steel

Perhaps the pols need term limits: tree, rope, assembly required, repeat. That really takes a bite out of crime. Politicians are America’s original and oldest crime syndicate.


34 posted on 02/27/2013 8:23:29 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Red Steel

> “It will only apply to military-style assault weapons, firearms that are not handguns, bolt action rifles or shotguns,”

I guess this means my lever-actions are on the banned list too, then.


35 posted on 02/28/2013 7:02:11 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent
If they've seen Chuck Connors in The Rifleman, they know all lever actions are machine guns in disguise. ;^)
36 posted on 02/28/2013 7:23:53 AM PST by fattigermaster (Train for life in prison because they are stacking the bricks and setting the bars around you.)
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To: Red Steel
Here's what I was referring to in regards to their plans for gun control. Imagine the same mandated against all owners of firearms, and remember the incremental nature of some of our opposition's tactics.

Pennsylvania Democrat’s Gun Control Insurance
Flopping Aces ^ | 02-28-13 | CJ

Waters' bill would require every person licensed to carry a concealed firearm to purchase and maintain $1 million in 'firearm liability insurance.'"


37 posted on 02/28/2013 6:09:58 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel

Another point that is obvious to some of us: judicial-related folks of all kinds could make a killing from such laws. The lobby for it, thought stealthy and out of the limelight, is probably enormous.


38 posted on 02/28/2013 6:20:14 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Yes that same thought came to me today of Dems always throwing money to their lawyers by creating conflict... as usual.


39 posted on 02/28/2013 6:29:29 PM PST by Red Steel
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