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Feds, media debunk Sarah Palin 'stockpiling bullets' claim
Pollutico ^ | February 27th, 2013 | Kevin Cirilli

Posted on 02/27/2013 5:07:45 PM PST by Third Person

The feds say Sarah Palin is firing blanks with her claim that the government is “stockpiling bullets” for potential civil unrest in case the country defaults on its loans.

While government agencies are, in fact, purchasing large amounts of ammunition, they are doing so for training exercises and shooting ranges, according to federal officials. The Washington Post last month summed up the Department of Homeland Security’s buying of more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition for training with an article headlined, “Not so sinister: Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo for target practice.”

And last summer, the Social Security Administration’s Office of the Inspector General released a public statement to squash fears - fueled by the internet - about the SSA buying ammunition.

“Our investigators are similar to your State or local police officers. They use traditional investigative techniques, and they are armed when on official duty,” SSA wrote in a public post Aug. 16, 2012.

“Media reports expressed concerns over the type of ammunition ordered,” the statement continued, apparently referring to hollow-point bullets. “In fact, this type of ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies. OIG’s special agents use this ammunition during their mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions, to ensure agent and public safety. Additionally, the ammunition our agents use is the same type used at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.”

Meanwhile, as the Atlantic Wire noted on Wednesday, Snopes had debunked the rumor last August tracing it (in part) to an anonymous online conspiracy letter from last August.

Palin - who wrote on her Facebook page on Tuesday, “We’re going to default eventually and that’s why the feds are stockpiling bullets in case of civil unrest” - joins conservatives Alex Jones of InfoWars.com, who wrote about the ammo buy last year, and radio host Mark Levin, who said on his radio program earlier this month that the government is “arming up” because society is “unraveling.”

“Law enforcement and national security agencies — they play out multiple scenarios. They simulate multiple scenarios. I’ll tell you what I think they’re simulating: the collapse of our financial system, the collapse of our society and the potential for widespread violence, looting, killing in the streets, because that’s what happens when an economy collapses,” Levin said on his radio program.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; dhs; guncontrol; palin; sarahpalin; secondamendment
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Yeah, sure you debunked her... just like you debunked her on the "Death Panels", right?
1 posted on 02/27/2013 5:07:49 PM PST by Third Person
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To: Third Person

Feds and Lame Stream Media, neither of them can be trusted.


2 posted on 02/27/2013 5:11:33 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Third Person
Should be easy to verify if this is true. Compare the number of bullets ordered per officer now versus several years ago. I'm mobile now but hopefully some other freepers can check on this...

Also, are hallow points typically ordered by police for target practice? That doesn't sound right.

3 posted on 02/27/2013 5:12:55 PM PST by varyouga
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To: Third Person
While government agencies are, in fact, purchasing large amounts of ammunition . . . Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo for target practice.

Did they mention whether we have been "stockpiling" ammo for target practice for decades or if this was a new policy started under the big government communist in our White House? If I was debunking a false claim, I would give comparative historical information, since that would support my position.

4 posted on 02/27/2013 5:14:41 PM PST by Pollster1
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To: Third Person

I believe Sarah over the feds and/or media any day.


5 posted on 02/27/2013 5:17:10 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: varyouga

Exactly. (hp) Hollow points are more expensive and are designed to cause extensive tissue damage while full metal jacket (fmj) bullets are less expensive and are usually used to make holes in paper targets.


6 posted on 02/27/2013 5:17:10 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Third Person

” Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo for target practice.”

***

Doesn’t mention that the targets will be US citizens.


7 posted on 02/27/2013 5:18:40 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Third Person
Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo for target practice.”

Me too.

8 posted on 02/27/2013 5:20:38 PM PST by TheDon (Criminalizing self defense contributed to the Sandy Hook massacre.)
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To: Third Person

Everything Sarah Palin has said about this Administration has been 100 percent on the money..I believe NOTHING coming from this Administration because I know what they all think of us and what they want done to us..their #1 wish, disarm us that has been the left’s dream since the beginning..I dont have any doubt they are stockpiling weapons because they know eventually we will be broke and taxing the rich to death won’t take away the fact that this country is bankrupt


9 posted on 02/27/2013 5:21:00 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Third Person

The feds don’t buy hollow points for practice. They buy wadcutters. The feds use wadcutters on almost all of their standard law enforcement training ranges. Been there. Done that. Hollow points are used for duty carry, when one might actually engage another shooter or engage someone who is threatening the life of the federal leo or another person.


10 posted on 02/27/2013 5:22:33 PM PST by Tudorfly
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11 posted on 02/27/2013 5:23:34 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Third Person

What a coincidence as i’ve been stock piling also.


12 posted on 02/27/2013 5:25:07 PM PST by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: Third Person

I noticed through all those statements there weren’t any denials. But they have Snopes running interference.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 5:30:27 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Third Person
While government agencies are, in fact, purchasing large amounts of ammunition, they are doing so for training exercises and shooting ranges, according to federal officials.

Who to believe...Uncle Sam or Mama Grizzly?

Death panels anybody?

14 posted on 02/27/2013 5:33:27 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Third Person

Gee...I’m buying extra ammo for exactly the same reason!! Imaginary that! pffft.


15 posted on 02/27/2013 5:34:03 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Third Person
“Not so sinister: Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo for target practice.”

Of course we can look at the records and see that they make such purchases every year for their target practice.
No?
Every five years? Every ten?
No.

BECAUSE IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, YOU NITWITS!

16 posted on 02/27/2013 5:34:40 PM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: fatnotlazy
Here is what they practice on

Pregnant Women And Little Boys As Shooting Targets?

17 posted on 02/27/2013 5:37:34 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (Republicans are to the Democrats as the Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters)
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To: Third Person

So what are the hundreds of armored vehicles the DHS is buying to be used for? Pulling floats for Christmas parades?


18 posted on 02/27/2013 5:43:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Third Person
The fox says all the chickens are fine.

Okay.

19 posted on 02/27/2013 5:46:40 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Third Person
Big Media and Big Government are extraordinarily dishonest.

They are incapable of 'debunking' anything; they are masters of excreting "bunk".

20 posted on 02/27/2013 5:46:55 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Third Person
Big Media and Big Government are extraordinarily dishonest.

They are incapable of 'debunking' anything; they are masters of excreting "bunk".

21 posted on 02/27/2013 5:47:09 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Third Person

WHY do the Homeland Security agents need so much practice? What are they practicing for?


22 posted on 02/27/2013 5:47:22 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: Third Person
If we are going to wet our proverbial pants over 0.3% in annual spending cuts when we’re running up trillion dollar annual deficits, then we’re done. Put a fork in us. We’re finished. We’re going to default eventually and that’s why the feds are stockpiling bullets in case of civil unrest.

23 posted on 02/27/2013 5:49:16 PM PST by Bratch
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To: Third Person

Yeah...those target practice figures being pregnant women, children, grandmothers...we should not get too worried, huh?


24 posted on 02/27/2013 5:51:24 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Third Person

but the people at the Politico are real journalists and they must know more than Sarah Palin.... They simply read the Washington Compost and the Compost said that Homeland Security is just doing some target practice. See! It’s all so simple! They need 1.6 billion rounds of ammo for target practice and they’re not really going to shoot anybody and a little extra research might show that they ordered about 10 million skeet because they go shooting all the time.


25 posted on 02/27/2013 5:52:18 PM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: Third Person
I can never remember practicing with hollow point rounds.

pure bravo sierra from the Feds and the media don't know enough about firearms and shooting to see that they are being lied to...and if they did know enough they wouldn't care unless the president was a conservative

26 posted on 02/27/2013 5:52:49 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Third Person

Either way, that’s a lot of target practice. Yeah nothing to see here.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 5:52:56 PM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: 3Fingas

But then what do they care about cost? It is not like they give a damned about how much of the taxpayers’ money they are spending.


28 posted on 02/27/2013 5:56:36 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Abundy
I can never remember practicing with hollow point rounds.

I run a magazine or two through to see how they feed and to see if there is a difference in aim point.
After that, if no problems, FMJ for practice.
That's what everybody I know does.

29 posted on 02/27/2013 6:02:16 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Third Person

Why do the Feds need hollow point rounds at all? Funny how our military is forbidden by the Geneva Convention from using them against our nation’s enemies, but the very agencies whose sole reason for existence is to protect us is allowed to use them against our nation’s citizens.


30 posted on 02/27/2013 6:11:05 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: varyouga; 3Fingas; Tudorfly; Abundy
Compare the number of bullets ordered per officer now versus several years ago. I'm mobile now but hopefully some other freepers can check on this...

Been done by a FReeper BP Agent.

Post #3

Post #20

Also, are hallow points typically ordered by police for target practice? That doesn't sound right.

Apparently it is.

Post #21

Post #28

31 posted on 02/27/2013 6:25:06 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Third Person

I thought the purchase of most of the ammunition was through some straw company that had no ability to make the ammunition. It doesn’t make much sense.


32 posted on 02/27/2013 6:28:10 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Third Person

The word is “rebut”. All they did is make a counter-claim - they haven’t disproven a thing Palin said.


33 posted on 02/27/2013 6:30:25 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: fatnotlazy

Right, pregnant ones & old ladies like me.


34 posted on 02/27/2013 6:38:11 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Third Person
“Not so sinister: Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo for target practice.”

Really? The US Army from what I can find buys around 1.3 billion rounds per year. DHS needs more then the US Army?

Pull the other one honey child, it has bells on it.

35 posted on 02/27/2013 6:38:29 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: TigersEye

So, if they are using hollow points for practice, they are wasting money.

I get that they have to qualify with duty ammo (hp), but they don’t have to practice with it also.

That’s why one is called duty ammo and the other training ammo.


36 posted on 02/27/2013 6:43:07 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

OK.


37 posted on 02/27/2013 6:46:06 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Third Person

Let’s just guess that DHS has fewer than 50,000 employees.

1,600,000,000 / 50,000 = 32,000 rounds per employee

More lies from this WH!


38 posted on 02/27/2013 7:05:35 PM PST by G Larry
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To: Blood of Tyrants

So what are the hundreds of armored vehicles the DHS is buying to be used for? Pulling floats for Christmas parades?

AND, all this talk about drones here in USA w/o restrictions, I find upsetting.


39 posted on 02/27/2013 7:12:54 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: varyouga
Also, are hollow points typically ordered by police for target practice? That doesn't sound right.

I wondered about that myself. Seems kinda spendy for target practice.

40 posted on 02/27/2013 7:13:11 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Third Person

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41 posted on 02/27/2013 7:14:17 PM PST by G Larry
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To: Third Person

I am 70 and in my memory the Government has never bought that mush ammo for targetpractice.

Now I don’t purport to know why they are buying it, but it aint for target practice.

They want my guns while they are loading up on ammo, that in itself is telling..


42 posted on 02/27/2013 7:21:46 PM PST by Venturer
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Third Person. Luckily, the media can usually be relied upon. Wait, what?

The AP’s Claim that a DHS Official Resigned Over the Illegal Alien Releases Turns Out to Be False
PJ Tatler | 2/27/13 | Bryan Preston
Posted on 02/27/2013 3:09:15 PM PST by Nachum
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2991919/posts


43 posted on 02/27/2013 7:24:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Third Person

My friend makes custom handgun ammunition. He is now 25,000 rounds behind orders because he can’t find bullets at ANY price. He knows another guy that’s 90K rounds backordered.

Something is boiling beneath the surface. Either the feds are ordering massive amounts of ammo to keep the manufacturers too busy to fill civilian orders or there are millions of Americans preparing for war. I hope it’s the latter.


44 posted on 02/27/2013 7:25:40 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So what are the hundreds of armored vehicles the DHS is buying to be used for? Pulling floats for Christmas parades?

Domestic IED detection?

45 posted on 02/27/2013 7:27:23 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: Tudorfly
Maybe they were "semi-wadcutter/semi hollow point" like these air rifle rounds?

/sarc


46 posted on 02/27/2013 7:45:39 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Third Person

Would somebody please divide the number of rounds purchased by the number of Fed. employees who pack as part of their duties, and arrive at an approximate figure of how many thousands of rounds each gubmint employee would be expected to fire in this imaginary “target” practice?

And then take the approximate number of rounds usually expended per person on each trip to the firing range, and calculate how many hundreds of years it will take to use up that much ammo in “target” practice exclusively.....unless the “targets” just happen to be citizens who have somehow displeased the dictator and his thugs.

Any semi-intelligent person who can do a little math in their heads knows this gubmint alibi is a huge crock of BS!


47 posted on 02/27/2013 7:50:08 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: varyouga
Also, are hallow points typically ordered by police for target practice? That doesn't sound right.

It is right. I've got a buddy in the SS, I asked him about this last month. You train with what you carry. I agree with that. When I go to the range before deer season, I sight in with what I'm taking out into the field. A 150 grain Remington Core-lok will shoot different than a 185 grain Federal soft point. Plus semi auto pistols (His service gun is a .357 Sig) can be a little squirrely feeding different ammo. Train with what works in your weapon and what you intend to hunt/carry/ etc. I've got a .357 S & W 686+ under the bed with .357 125 gr. HP for any dirtbags who come in uninvited, I run a few of those through it out at at the ranch, but I'll shoot a bunch of cheepo .38's if we're just plinking.

48 posted on 02/27/2013 8:09:45 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Third Person
An average of about 70 million rounds of ammo were fired per year during the Iraq War. So at that rate, it would take more than 22 years of fighting an actual war to go through 1.6 billion rounds.

Yet, we're being assured that it's all just for target practice. Yeah, sure.

49 posted on 02/27/2013 9:55:05 PM PST by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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To: Third Person

LMBO!!
Politico has no credibility. It’s little more than a dumping site for young, aspiring writers.
I’m not even sure most of them are paid anything.

But it’s a nice racket they got going, I’ll give them that.


50 posted on 02/27/2013 10:00:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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