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In Closed-Door Meeting, Cantor Warned of ‘Civil War’
National Review Online ^ | 2-27-2012 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 02/27/2013 5:07:53 PM PST by bimboeruption

House majority leader Eric Cantor is increasingly frustrated with a group of House Republicans who are working against the leadership, and he’s not afraid of voicing his dismay.

In a closed-door conference meeting on Wednesday, Cantor told one GOP member that if they blocked the Senate-passed Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) from coming to the floor, they’d cause “civil war” in the ranks.

Cantor’s comment irked some Republican aides, who told National Review Online that such strong language is inappropriate. In recent days, some conservatives have been upset about the Senate’s version of VAWA, saying that parts of the bill are unconstitutional.

Nevertheless, Cantor’s warning may have had an effect. When the bill came to the floor on Wednesday, only nine Republicans voted against the rule to take up the bill.

Tensions between backbenchers and leadership, however, are evident, and the whip on the rule took over an hour. Eventually, the rule passed, 414–9, and the House plans a final vote on the Senate’s version of VAWA on Thursday.

The nine who voted against the rule include Georgia Senate candidate Paul Broun and potential Iowa Senate candidate Steve King.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cantor; ericcantor; georgia; gop; iowa; paulbroun; rino; steveking; vawa
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1 posted on 02/27/2013 5:08:04 PM PST by bimboeruption
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To: bimboeruption

What do we have against the Violence Against Women Act?

I say that this country is facing Civil War for other reasons.


2 posted on 02/27/2013 5:11:20 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bimboeruption
I thought that violence against ANYONE was already against the law. And that's a state function, not a federal function. Art 1, Sec 8 doesn't say anything about authorizing general police powers for the federal government.

/johnny

3 posted on 02/27/2013 5:11:36 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bimboeruption

WHY OBAMA WINS: DEMOCRATS PURGE MODERATES, REPUBLICANS PURGE CONSERVATIVES

Democrats are preparing for a major nationwide fight on the gun issue by purging the party’s moderates—including the very candidates it cultivated in 2006 and 2008 to win seats in conservative districts. Republicans are preparing for a major debate on immigration reform by purging the party’s conservatives, casting opponents of bipartisan legislative efforts as bigots who will doom the party to ongoing electoral failure.

Regardless, the pattern remains the same: the new, netroots-and-community-organizer Democratic leadership dispenses with party’s moderates, while the old Republican establishment tries to marginalize the grass roots conservatives who are largely responsible for the limited electoral successes the party has enjoyed in recent years.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/27/Democrats-Purge-Moderates-Republicans-Purge-Conservatives

Time for the GOP to go the way of the Whigs


4 posted on 02/27/2013 5:11:56 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: bimboeruption

5 posted on 02/27/2013 5:12:06 PM PST by Slyfox (Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness -G Wash.)
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To: bimboeruption
I wonder who benefits from a GOP Civil War, why would they want it, and how would they bring it about?

Oh well, I am sure it's nothing go back to sleep.


6 posted on 02/27/2013 5:12:51 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: bimboeruption
Mark R. Levin‏@marklevinshow Levin Surge! Be polite and be civil and tell Eric Cantor we oppose the V.A.W.A. and it's time for him to step down. (202) 225-2815
7 posted on 02/27/2013 5:17:49 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: bimboeruption
Violence against women? Is that like a hate crime, where assaulting or killing someone of a particular race or sexuality is worse than assaulting or killing someone exactly like you?

THAT is equality.

8 posted on 02/27/2013 5:19:53 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: bimboeruption

The Magical Word “Women”

http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2013/02/27/the-magical-word-women/

(excerpt)

The Senate bill expands “coverage” to men, homosexuals, transgendered individuals and prisoners. It expands the definition of domestic violence to include causing “emotional distress” or using “unpleasant speech.” It ostensibly nullifies the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty. The bill also expands the law’s reach to give tribal Indian authorities jurisdiction over non-Indians accused of abusing Indian women. Finally, what good is a social engineering bill without tossing in bones to the most sacrosanct constituency, illegal immigrants? It would grant more visas to illegal immigrants who are victims of domestic abuse.


9 posted on 02/27/2013 5:21:33 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I think he better start to worry about a second Civil War in this country. The Republican Party might want to choose a side and announce which side they are on; because I sure as hell can’t figure out which side they will be on based on their actions and comments.


10 posted on 02/27/2013 5:21:40 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends



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11 posted on 02/27/2013 5:21:54 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Where do you think those “moderate” dems go when the marxists toss them out? They herd right into the GOP tent. That is one of our main problems right now.


12 posted on 02/27/2013 5:21:54 PM PST by lodi90
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To: afraidfortherepublic

>What do we have against the Violence Against Women Act?<

According to the article, the 9 who voted against it think that parts of it are unconstitutional.

Knock me over with a feather...I didn’t think there were THAT many who cared about the Constitution.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 5:22:14 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: bimboeruption
Cantor is simply trying to divert attention from the fact his buddy Goobama just threatened to have Bob Woodward murdered in his bed ~ soon!

Time to retire Eric.

14 posted on 02/27/2013 5:22:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: afraidfortherepublic

For one its violates the EQUAL protection clause. It makes a certain citizen[women] more worthy of protection than other citizens[men].

The same crime is prosecuted differently if against women than men.

Women are the ones who demanded equality before the law...and once they got it they didn’t like it much,
.

too bad.


15 posted on 02/27/2013 5:23:26 PM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: bimboeruption
Cantor needs to be primaried.
16 posted on 02/27/2013 5:24:37 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: bimboeruption

I’d guess there are only nine conservatives with the courage of their convictions left in the House. The “crimes against women” is largely nonsense as other laws cover the ground. If there are problems, they are in the states and local governments application of the laws. Centralizing power is a further push into tyranny.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 5:25:43 PM PST by JimSEA ( “what difference does it make?”)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Be polite and be civil and tell Eric Cantor we oppose the V.A.W.A.

Ya, while being lied to, hoodwinked, betrayed, and economically gang raped by the feds, be really polite, speak with a soft pleasing voice and be sure to say please and thank you.

Great hard hitting idea!

18 posted on 02/27/2013 5:25:49 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Violence against women? Is that like a hate crime, where assaulting or killing someone of a particular race or sexuality is worse than assaulting or killing someone exactly like you?

Why yes, it is. Congress laughably claims their authority to legislate both as an exercise in "regulating commerce among the several states".

19 posted on 02/27/2013 5:29:14 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Violence against women? Is that like a hate crime, where assaulting or killing someone of a particular race or sexuality is worse than assaulting or killing someone exactly like you?

Why yes, it is. Congress laughably claims their authority to legislate both as an exercise in "regulating commerce among the several states".

20 posted on 02/27/2013 5:30:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
It expands the definition of domestic violence to include causing “emotional distress” or using “unpleasant speech.

I'm toast. You should have heard me when one of the catz got caught eating my jalapeno seedlings for this year's garden. I caused "emotional distress" and used "unpleasant speech". Most of it learned from a TI in basic training back in the old days when the AF wasn't quite such a chair force.

/johnny

21 posted on 02/27/2013 5:31:33 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Para-Ord.45
WHY OBAMA WINS: DEMOCRATS PURGE MODERATES, REPUBLICANS PURGE CONSERVATIVES

Voters already "purged" most of the liberal and moderate Republicans. They didn't purge moderate Democrats, so there are more than a few in Congress for the party to purge.

If one or two conservative Republicans in Congress lose out to other Republicans who have more seniority or who play nice with the leadership it doesn't exactly qualify as a purge.

Republicans are preparing for a major debate on immigration reform by purging the party’s conservatives, casting opponents of bipartisan legislative efforts as bigots who will doom the party to ongoing electoral failure.

If that's true it may just be for appearances' sake, a strategic division of labor as some Republicans move closer to Obama and others further away. Some need to appear accomodationist and others need to appear inflexible. If they're smart they'll find a way to defeat Obama's plan that lets both groups appeal to their constituencies.

22 posted on 02/27/2013 5:31:56 PM PST by x
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To: bimboeruption

The Civil War won’t be just about 1 party fighting. The country is divided to the point where party affiliation won’t matter.

It will be the makers against the takers.


23 posted on 02/27/2013 5:33:59 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: bimboeruption

bfl


24 posted on 02/27/2013 5:45:35 PM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: unixfox

It won’t be a CW...It would be Revolution II against the elite ever controlling government ruling class and tax paying surfs and peon private sector class.


25 posted on 02/27/2013 5:46:34 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: bimboeruption

FUEC


26 posted on 02/27/2013 5:52:11 PM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: bimboeruption

Bring it on, Eric. You’ll end up in the dumpster with crybaby Boehner, Linda Graham, and the Shamnesty Sheik, John McLame.
Oh, yeah, and those two tapeworms, Cochran and Johanns.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 5:52:26 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: sheikdetailfeather
The Senate bill expands “coverage” to men, homosexuals, transgendered individuals and prisoners. It expands the definition of domestic violence to include causing “emotional distress” or using “unpleasant speech."

Good grief. This is insanity. Eric Cantor does not have a clue what he's doing.
28 posted on 02/27/2013 5:53:10 PM PST by Girlene
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To: bimboeruption
creating law that applies only to a certain class of person, such as this one and the HATE CRIMES law against LBGT and all ethnic groups except for caucasian goes against the very grain of equality of justice our own liberty is dependent upon to even exist as a cohesive society under the law. We are now witnessing what unequal justice is doing to this country and yet Cantor and the other RINO jackasses remain on the same path of devision as the democraps. These people aren’t stupid but they are traitors and they're weakening our country from within. The KARMA of OUR COMPLACENCY is haunting.
29 posted on 02/27/2013 6:17:23 PM PST by drypowder
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To: unixfox

Probably not. These guys who own casinos are ‘takers’ yet we’ll be tapping them for bullet money eh!


30 posted on 02/27/2013 6:18:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bimboeruption

We need the Violence Against Left handed People Act now, VLPA is needed as soon as possible, come on Republicans, pass it now!!!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 02/27/2013 6:20:05 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: dragnet2

Even better.


32 posted on 02/27/2013 6:27:33 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: bimboeruption

Now LISTEN! I want:

1. Amnesty for Illegals

2. Allow the military to be destroyed because the Sequestration cuts will stand

3. And the "Violence Against Women Act" will allow women to get men arrested with no charges filed

Now why are you people opposing me!


33 posted on 02/27/2013 6:36:35 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: afraidfortherepublic
What do we have against the Violence Against Women Act?

Well, first of all, violence against women is already illegal, as is violence against anyone.

What this act does is allocate a bunch more taxpayer money to fund a bureaucracy that distributes even more tax dollars to various groups, including gay rights and illegal immigrant rights groups.

Given its name, it's one hell of a tool in the public opinion war against conservatives. "By voting this down, Republicans have shown that they are OK with violence against women!!!"

The left could name a bill the "Save the Puppies and Kitties Act" and load it up with pork and slip in all sorts of unconstitutional provisions. Then sit back and chuckle when, as the conservatives oppose it, the voters that are as stupid as the left hopes we all are wonder what the conservatives have against puppies and kitties.

34 posted on 02/27/2013 6:40:35 PM PST by Washi (PUSH BACK! Encourage your legislators to introduce pro-second amendment legislation.)
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To: Washi

We need to apply or a grant (for new equipment, more staff) ~ we’d do that as a way to develop programs to protect TRADITIONALISTS against violence by ANTI TRADITIONALISTS.


35 posted on 02/27/2013 6:51:12 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bimboeruption

The Act is a year piece of bull the democrats drag out to beat the Republicans over the head. The Jew from VA is an idiot RINO fool.


36 posted on 02/27/2013 6:56:09 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Girlene
Obviously tied into the gun control push. There will be thousands of domestic violence charges to come. When the stepson announces he's moving back in and he's also quiting his job the same day, maybe we can have him charged with “unpleasant speech” and giving us “emotional distress.”
37 posted on 02/27/2013 6:58:33 PM PST by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
What do we have against the Violence Against Women Act?

Oh, a few things. Raised your voice during an argument? Domestic violence. Didn't tell the wife about that bonus? Financial domestic violence. Slammed a door a little out of frustration? Domestic violence. Didn't do a dang thing but she wants the upper hand in divorce court? Domestic violence

Then kiss you 2A rights goodby.

38 posted on 02/27/2013 7:12:51 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: bimboeruption; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”House majority leader Eric Cantor is increasingly frustrated with a group of House Republicans who are working against the leadership, and he’s not afraid of voicing his dismay.
In a closed-door conference meeting on Wednesday, Cantor told one GOP member that if they blocked the Senate-passed Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) from coming to the floor, they’d cause “civil war” in the ranks.
Cantor’s comment irked some Republican aides, who told National Review Online that such strong language is inappropriate. In recent days, some conservatives have been upset about the Senate’s version of VAWA, saying that parts of the bill are unconstitutional.
Nevertheless, Cantor’s warning may have had an effect. When the bill came to the floor on Wednesday, only nine Republicans voted against the rule to take up the bill. “

This reminds me of 2006 when the GOP congress re-authorized the voting rights act 100% AS IS by a huge GOP majority with GWB signing it, now the Southern States cant pass new voter ID laws because of it. And minorities voted against them in 2006 and 2008 and 2012 anyway. It bought them nothing good,

I always said Cantor is a lib who hides it with woof-woof.

39 posted on 02/27/2013 7:16:00 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: bimboeruption

The GOP is dead but doesn’t know it yet. The Constitutional Republic built by the founders is a long-lost dream that will never be regained. The Ruling Class is all-powerful and cannot be stopped because the dumb-masses are too comfortable and ignorant to care what happens to America.

I’m not sure if I have the stomach to stay in this country much longer. This is like watching a loved one slowly die from cancer.


40 posted on 02/27/2013 7:17:55 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: bimboeruption

The VAWA was already passed and made law by Republicans and Democrats during the ‘90s. It violates Second Amendment rights—mandatory five years in federal prison for possessing a firearm while under a restraining order (only an accusation needed for one of those) or any time after having been convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence.

Take freedoms away from a few million here and a few more million there, and everyone will lose their freedoms. Payback from large numbers of other constituents whose rights were already violated by nearly all others in politics will be rough. That’s what we’ll be seeing and waking up to.

But go back to sleep, folks. Because of the paradigm of immorality and supporting problems from it with enormous extra government spending, families are history. The constitutional rights of all will be history before long. Enjoy the feminist/romanticism. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


41 posted on 02/27/2013 7:50:14 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: OftheOhio

lol. Just say no and skip the charges.


42 posted on 02/27/2013 8:31:00 PM PST by Girlene
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To: bimboeruption

....Does anybody remember what the Democrats did at their 2012 convention ??? First they eliminated any mention of the word GOD...and when they thought twice about doing that they reintroduced the resolution what happened ? They booed God..thrice..That resolution was rammed through just like the Affordable Health Care Act ...That’s a wedge issue within the democrat party which was not exploited by Roves RINOS and GOPES and the Republicans to this day. To properly describe that episode .Its the marriage of the radical and democrat into the hyphenated Demo-Com union.

Was that fact used in any of the material Rove’s RINOS spewed forth during the 2012 Romney or US senate races his group of GOPES (Government Ofthe People Elite Snobs) used on their hit list ? I like using that acronym because it rhymes with dopes.

Noooo ! They could have used that episode to point out how far to the left the democrat party has hyphenated into; Demo-Coms ...Instead well we don’t like Aikin ...He said what ? OMG OMG he’s unqualified ...If there was a chance he would have been burned at the stake by Rove’s RINOS and the so called “conservative “ talkies spouting Rove’s tripe.

The Aikin or O’Donnells response to a set up phoney issue had nothing to do with any thing that would ever occur in any legislation that would pass their respective desks had they been elected.

THE RESPONSE YOU DIDN’T HEAR WAS THIS “”While at their convention the Democrats were busy denying God . Aikin believes in something like the ten commandments. Including Thou shalt not steal and doesn’t believe that getting elected to office gives you a license to do steal ... Which his opponent seems to have done rather well since being in office. The same thing with Mourdock,O’Donnnell, etc,etc, etc.

That presentation could have been expanded to Reid, Pelosi, and the slew of Demo-Com pigs at the trough. Expanding their personal wealth at the expense of the US taxpayers.

Now his bunch seems to be saying if you hold a religious view don’t run for office... We’re gonna save the Republican party ....to be finished off by Obama and the hypenated democrats..
Roves RINOS wrong for America and the GOPES wrong for the Republican party...


43 posted on 02/27/2013 8:54:11 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: sickoflibs

I always said Cantor is a lib who hides it with woof-woof.


Most elected republicans are. I have not had TV for 15 years so I’m a bit frozen in time. I see modern “moderates” for what they really are.

And I’m looking for a litmus test in the next 24 hours. There is no reason whatsoever for the R’s to cave on the sequester and every reason for them to let it happen - unless they are really just a wing of the democrat party.

If they cave, everything becomes clear and we can all call them what they are. The veil will have been lifted.

We’re about to find out.


44 posted on 02/28/2013 5:02:50 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
RE:”And I’m looking for a litmus test in the next 24 hours. There is no reason whatsoever for the R’s to cave on the sequester and every reason for them to let it happen - unless they are really just a wing of the democrat party.

It doesnt look like its playing out that way so far, on FNC F+F they played a clip of O admitting yesterday that most Americans wont notice this, said ‘only the vulnerable few’ and listed some. He is seeing polls that show that few care about this. They like Obama better than GOP still, but few understand or care about this.

Then they played the back to back clips of O campaigning around the country ‘against’ end-of-world Sequester-geden.

45 posted on 02/28/2013 5:17:46 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: sickoflibs

My only take is that if the sequester happens, my perceptions of the two sides doesn’t really change much. But if the R’s cave, the mask is off. They really are just D-lite. In fact, it will be worse than that. It will re-enforce the theories that we are all just pawns in their game and the “trilateral commissionists” and other conspiracy people will be proven right. The parties will be exposed as a facade with little real influence. Pawns of those who really do hold the power. And I don’t mean in the “to some degree it has always been true” way. I mean in this way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU


46 posted on 02/28/2013 5:24:59 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
RE :”My only take is that if the sequester happens, my perceptions of the two sides doesn’t really change much. But if the R’s cave, the mask is off. They really are just D-lite. In fact, it will be worse than that”

How do they cave? raise those taxes by cutting the loopholes/deductions? It doesnt seem likely at all. McCain and Grahamnesty dont even have the guts to suggest it anymore(they did at least once).

I am more concerned about them passing the Senate's VAWA in the near term and eventually amnesty if the Senate actually passes a bill. .

The 2011 debt limit fight and the tax fight were lost simply because the a large majority of voters were upset about it and blamed the GOP.
They lost the PR war that Obama waged. They have to get elected after all.

But in this case few are paying attention. Plus, how many times will O 'crying wolf' work?

47 posted on 02/28/2013 5:42:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: sickoflibs

It doesnt seem likely at all.


That is actually my point. There is no logical or political reason for them to cave. It has become highly unlikely. But if they do, the mask will be completely and utterly removed. If they don’t cave, there may still be a mask, but it will remain in place.

I’m just saying that if they cave, all doubt will be removed about who’s side the R’s are really on. They will be exposed as a “double agent” for all to see. It’s why I think it is unlikely.


48 posted on 02/28/2013 5:49:52 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
What do we have against the Violence Against Women Act?

1) It's unconstitutional

2) It imposes punishments without trial or conviction

3) It reverses the presumption of innocence

4) In fact, it eliminates most of the protections of the citizen (subject) which have been in place since Magna Carta

5) It creates a fiction by statute (that women never lie)

6) It federalizes state matters and thus requires a nonexistent Federal police power.

Other than that, it's a great law, one that all good Republicans will surely support.

49 posted on 02/28/2013 5:55:44 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: cuban leaf
RE :I’m just saying that if they cave, all doubt will be removed about who’s side the R’s are really on. They will be exposed as a “double agent” for all to see. It’s why I think it is unlikely.

I dont see the GOP as ‘the good guy’. I lost that many years ago.

I see them as the only ones who can (possibly) stop Dems, by killing bills short term, or by winning elections longer term by making Dems unpopular, much like Pelosi bidded her time as House Speaker in 2007 and 2008 until she had real power in 2009..

I dont especially like Republicans, but they are a necessary evil.

50 posted on 02/28/2013 6:07:32 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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