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Russia's Putin "unhappy" with limo
Autoblog ^ | 2/27/2013 | Johnathon Ramsey

Posted on 02/27/2013 5:34:10 PM PST by nascarnation

A few years ago Russian president Dmitri Medvedev decided he wanted officials to be chauffeured in Russian limousines, not the German executive sedans everyone had become accustomed to (such as the Mercedes-Benz pictured above). Naturally, that meant turning to Russia's own ZiL to create a litter worthy of a plutocrat and glorious Russian history. The plan had two big problems, the first being that ZiL stopped making limos in 1991 and was only producing trucks and armored military vehicles.

But that didn't stop the party. The orders to ZiL were to create something powered by a V8 that was able to carry three people and reach 130 miles per hour. It must also represent "the best traditions of Soviet limousine building." Zil got to work, spending years and who knows how many rubles to create the armored sedan it unveiled last Fall: the ZiL-4112P, powered by a 7.7-liter V8 that reportedly has more than 400 horsepower. When comparing the 4112P to Obama's presidential conveyance, ZiL's director of limousine production said, "If you look at what Obama drives around in its a scary submarine, no kind of aesthetic, it's awful to look at."

No matter that, the car has one more big problem: President Putin is apparently unhappy with it. The president hasn't publicly disclosed his issues with the car, but the Moscow Times said that Putin "was not pleased" by the looks of the 4112P and noted that the car "needed adjustments." ZiL's response to the report was to say that the president wasn't actually given the 4112P – which, if true, would mean they gave him a presidential limo they haven't revealed to the public instead of the one they threw a giant party for and used to demonstrate the comparative ugliness of its American counterpart.

The mess has left an opening for GAZ and Marussia, with both companies working on alternatives to whatever is on offer from ZiL. GAZ is building something based on the Audi A8 that it says will be ready by 2014, Marussia's "completely original model" will arrive in 2015.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: limo; putin; russia

1 posted on 02/27/2013 5:34:17 PM PST by nascarnation
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2 posted on 02/27/2013 5:35:05 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Looks like it was made by the same company that made the “Family Truckster” (NatLamp’s “Vacation”).


3 posted on 02/27/2013 5:36:36 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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4 posted on 02/27/2013 5:37:03 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: nascarnation
LOL....looks like an 80's Mercury Grand Marquis with a very deliberate touch to the grille....

No wonder Vlad was pissed.....

5 posted on 02/27/2013 5:38:34 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Westbrook

I was going to say it looked like an early-’80s Lincoln.


6 posted on 02/27/2013 5:38:59 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: nascarnation

I actually think that’s a nice-looking car.

Dump the (presumed) armor plate and take the stretchy-thing out of the middle, and you’ve got something I’d be willing to consider.

And please leave the “suicide” doors...


7 posted on 02/27/2013 5:42:20 PM PST by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: nascarnation

In the 60s our local fair had Chairman Mao’s limo. It was given to him by Stalin and captured in Korea. I think it was made by this same company.

One thing I remember about it was the terrible gas mileage, something like 2 mpg.


8 posted on 02/27/2013 5:44:03 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: nascarnation

Pretty different from the 2010 mockups.
http://www.carscoops.com/2010/11/slava-saakyan-envisions-new-zil-limo.html


9 posted on 02/27/2013 5:47:56 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: yarddog

I remember at that time there was an ad in our local paper about an exhibit of the captured Soviet limo, which was a ZiS or a ZiM or some such. How did it ever wind up in Norkland? Mao tse-Tung had an early falling out with Stalin & he probably said to Kim Il-Sung, “Here, comrade, you can have it.”

I’ve heard for years that ZiL and Chaika limos actually have Daimler-Benz engines. Far more reliable.


10 posted on 02/27/2013 5:51:54 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: ExGeeEye
I actually think that’s a nice-looking car.

I suggest Ebay - search "Lincoln Town Car 1982-88"


11 posted on 02/27/2013 5:58:58 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

Ugly as sin. I wouldn’t be caught dead riding in it.

A powerful person needs lots of style - this is one ass ugly limo!


12 posted on 02/27/2013 6:00:23 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: nascarnation
It must also represent "the best traditions of Soviet limousine building."

I bet that the average limousine buyer doesn't think to ask for that.

13 posted on 02/27/2013 6:03:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Westbrook

In fact it looks exactly like a 1979 Zil limo + suicide doors and cheap arab-style headlights and chrome parts.
One thing for sure it has perfect protection. Older Zils were tested to withstand antitank munition. Under Stalin they had a chief designer inside vehicle during tests.


14 posted on 02/27/2013 6:10:24 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: nascarnation
Boxy, but Good... or not
15 posted on 02/27/2013 6:11:10 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kirkwood

Having spent 40 yrs in the industry, I can attest to the transition from the styling studio, through engineering design, and then production engineering, LOL.


16 posted on 02/27/2013 6:11:42 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Kirkwood

Now, those CAD renderings have some promise. Front fascia needs work but there actually are some nice angles, especially rear 3/4 view. Sort of an updated mating of a Lagonda with the best factory limos M-B ever made, the 600.

I suspect ZIL, being a heavy truck manufacturer since ‘91, was just incapable of anything that was not truckish. The production windows are not flush, the windshield in particular looks dated. The front fascia looks like a Freightliner. The lines of the sheetmetal aren’t contemporary, not much visual interest, just one character line running straight back. The sweep of the concept CAD was obliterated.

Pity.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 6:16:45 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: goldstategop

I guess there are some of us old goats still around who like an automobile to look like a battleship.

Now if it only had an Edsel grill...


18 posted on 02/27/2013 6:17:23 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THE SOUND OF MUSIC at the POTEET THEATRE in OKC! See our murals before they are painted over!)
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To: nascarnation
First limo I saw when I visited Moscow in the mid 90s was a Cadillac. Later saw a Zil at the Kremlin. They looked evil.
19 posted on 02/27/2013 6:20:56 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Too bad Cadillac never built the Sixteen.

http://www.netcarshow.com/cadillac/2003-sixteen_concept/800x600/wallpaper_19.htm

Now that would make one fine-looking limousine.


20 posted on 02/27/2013 6:42:41 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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Too bad Packard is no longer around to sell the Rooskies some throw-away designs...
21 posted on 02/27/2013 7:15:23 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: nascarnation

What’s needed is a side by side comparison with the behemoth from the 1970s movie “The Car”


22 posted on 02/27/2013 7:22:24 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That was a Chaika. The ZIL back then looked more like an enlarged copy of a mid-sixties Chrysler Imperial.


23 posted on 02/27/2013 7:24:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: nascarnation

Geez. Looks like the automobile version of the Il-38. Or the illegitimate child of a Hummer and a 1966 Continental.


24 posted on 02/27/2013 7:29:17 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: pabianice

Russian Il-38

25 posted on 02/27/2013 7:32:02 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: nascarnation
In before the obvious comparison with Clark W. Griswold's car in "Vacation."


26 posted on 02/27/2013 7:32:09 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Too late, lol.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 7:33:24 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cyber Liberty

“You think you hate it now, wait ‘til you drive it.”


28 posted on 02/27/2013 7:35:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Me too. Lincoln Town Car.


29 posted on 02/27/2013 7:38:11 PM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Westbrook

Yah, I skimmed right past it....

(But I brought a picture)


30 posted on 02/27/2013 7:39:53 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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“You think you hate it now but wait until you drive it”.

The wagon queen family truckster, it was one heck of a tough vehicle.


31 posted on 02/27/2013 7:48:46 PM PST by yarddog (yu)
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To: nascarnation

32 posted on 02/27/2013 7:58:42 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: elcid1970

>>I’ve heard for years that ZiL and Chaika limos actually have Daimler-Benz engines. Far more reliable.<<

In fact both Chaika and Zil has slightly modified truck/bus V8 engines, originated from Gaz-66 (Chaika) and Zil-131 (Zil cars) Army trucks.

They are enough reliable but fuel economy is not there.

Regular Zil limo weight more than 15,000 pounds being built around an armored capsule. I guess it takes about 2 miles per gallon.


33 posted on 02/27/2013 8:32:40 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Westbrook

She’s a beaut, Clark!


34 posted on 02/27/2013 9:01:26 PM PST by Oliver Boliver Butt
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To: nascarnation
Looks like a wider longer Chrysler K Car. Especially the flat hood and the grill.

Lee Iococca

35 posted on 02/27/2013 11:11:29 PM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: nascarnation

Too much chrome and plastic.

But thanks.


36 posted on 02/28/2013 12:18:18 AM PST by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: 2111USMC

here also about lincoln http://www.bladecars.com/2013/04/2013-lincoln-mkz-price-specs-and-photos.html


37 posted on 05/07/2013 6:41:36 PM PDT by saikuddin (lincoln)
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