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Looks like the Sequester Is Going to Happen (Update from Federal Worker)
N/A | 2/27/2013 | Ducttape45

Posted on 02/27/2013 7:26:14 PM PST by ducttape45

Elections have consequences.

I won't say what military base I work at,but today my office was briefed about the impending sequestration. There were a few interesting points to come out of the meeting.

1. You have to take at least 8 hours a week LWOP (leave without pay). You cannot use sick or annual leave on those days off. You cannot take more then 30 hours a week because then you'd be able to apply for unemployment and the federal government is ensuring we can't utilize that avenue to supplement our income. So they take us but prevent us from taking from them. Smart.....

2. No more credit time, comp time, or overtime. If, in the performance of your job you're responsible for monitoring contractors, those contractors have to leave or you leave them unsupervised. Just imagine the legal entanglements that are soon to arise.

3. We have to take 176 hours, or 22 days, off with no pay (which we will NOT get back for all you who have been saying otherwise) between April 25 and September 22. If the sequester lasts longer and we end up taking more than 30 days of sequester then mandatory RIFs will take place and people will start losing their jobs.

That's the news as I have it now. I'll post more as it comes available. I'm going to bed, I can hardly keep my eyes open but I had to post this for all to see.


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1 posted on 02/27/2013 7:26:21 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: ducttape45

S E Q U E S T E R

We should SEQUESTER each and every “representative” /sarcasm and cut their pay, their medical, their retirement, their staff, their travel, their face-time, their lobbyists, their contributors, their benefits, etc., etc.

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2 posted on 02/27/2013 7:31:15 PM PST by PGalt
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To: ducttape45

Things are tough all over. Would you prefer to lose your job, pension, and healthcare like the coal miners are? 24 million out of work, not LWOP (leave without pay). Of course this sucks, however many more have suffered far worse because of the government.


3 posted on 02/27/2013 7:31:32 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: ducttape45

Hang in there! And, wow; just wow. What a fr*ck*n mess we are in...


4 posted on 02/27/2013 7:33:14 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: ducttape45
2.5 % cut and we are going back to a 2009 level budget. That is just the way its going to be. Enjoy your forced 3 day weekends!

I think there is at least 85 billion in waste to be found in a 3.7 Trillion budget.

Rome is burning! We all need to wake up! We need to stop the crazy spending.

5 posted on 02/27/2013 7:34:39 PM PST by agincourt1415 (50TFW Hahn USAFE the dearly departed)
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To: ducttape45

Thanks for posting, ducttape45. Important information BUMP!


6 posted on 02/27/2013 7:34:53 PM PST by PGalt
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To: ducttape45

Wow, thanks for the post.

The same folks who went golfing with Tiger Woods in Florida and skiing in Aspen over Presidents day weekend are the ones responsible for this hardship.


7 posted on 02/27/2013 7:37:57 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: agincourt1415
Rome is burning!

I'm selling black-market marshmallows and hot-dogs. Get yer hot dogs! Pointy sticks extra.

/johnny

8 posted on 02/27/2013 7:39:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: agincourt1415

Things are going to get a whole lot worse for people drawing a federal paycheck. They have to if we ever intend to see the private sector thrive again.


9 posted on 02/27/2013 7:43:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ducttape45

You’ve still got a job woth good benefits. Look on the bright side.


10 posted on 02/27/2013 7:43:35 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ducttape45

Has anyone asked what funding cuts will take place at NPR, PBS, NEA, etc? Will the NEA be cutting back on any art funding? What about cuts to Michelle’s dress designers, gardening staff, or 90 assistants? How about POTUS’s golf caddy? Will the President save taxpayer money by enrolling his girls in public schools?


11 posted on 02/27/2013 7:45:42 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ducttape45

Would it be better if they just laid you off 100%? That happens more often in the private sector than furloughs. I’ve done the furlough thing and it sucked, but it was temporary and I’m still here.

Best of luck to you. I mean that sincerely.


12 posted on 02/27/2013 7:47:18 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: ducttape45

Thanks for the update.

We are all in for a rough ride.


13 posted on 02/27/2013 7:49:05 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (When will the rest of America's citizens wake up to the Obamanation?)
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To: cripplecreek

Things are going to get a whole lot worse for people drawing a federal paycheck.
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Make that a federal check—period. You could eliminate the total federal civil work force ($800B) and the budget deficit is forecasted to be larger next year ($1.2B). This isn’t going to be fixed with furloughs.


14 posted on 02/27/2013 7:54:36 PM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: ducttape45

You can always quit and find another job, right?

Frankly, I can’t drum up any sympathy for “government employees” at this point.
Your hours wouldn’t be cut if you were “essential”, and if you are not “essential”, why are you employed by the government?

Uncle Sugar ran out of money. Talk amongst yourselves.


15 posted on 02/27/2013 7:54:57 PM PST by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: ducttape45

WRT your points:

1. Here’s a way to stick it to the “man” - find a part time private sector job and show him who’s the smart one now!

2. What if the contractors are, gulp, full grown adults and maybe don’t need supervision all week - oh the horrors! If they’re not full grown adults then, unlike GS, they can be fired. If their “supervisor” doesn’t like their perfomrance and still does not act, whose the one at fault?

3. I’ve got some names in mind for the RIF if you need them....


16 posted on 02/27/2013 7:57:12 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: lp boonie
This isn’t going to be fixed with furloughs.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Lao Tzu

17 posted on 02/27/2013 7:58:50 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: JohnD9207

Agreed. Got laid off in 08 and been scrapping ever since while watching my relatives and friends who work for the feds doing great, getting significant raises, taking tons of vacation I never got in private sector and generally not doing much work. People here can hate me but I have zero sympathy for the fed employees. They are getting just a tiny tiny sample of what the rest of us have endured the past 4 years.


18 posted on 02/27/2013 7:59:23 PM PST by Deathtomarxists
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To: PGalt

Sequester Foreign Aid!


19 posted on 02/27/2013 7:59:29 PM PST by visioneer2
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To: agincourt1415
Enjoy your forced 3 day weekends!

I doubt it'll work that way. Usually, employees have to cover for each others' absence and they rotate the days they are off with other employees, so it's only a 3-day weekend when your day falls on a Monday or Friday. Somebody else gets the three-day weekend when you have to take off Tuesday. Otherwise, the whole office shuts down when everybody takes off on the same day. Some companies prefer to do that.

It depends. Count on the government to do this in a way that will maximize disruption and confusion. And especially anger at Republicans for causing it.

20 posted on 02/27/2013 8:00:41 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: ducttape45

Ubama’s hatred for America, and for people who take responsibility for their own lives, is so great he will simply brush you off like dandruff. His goal at this point is to ensure that red states and white people pay a hefty price as the result of his childish tantrum.

Chin up. Things will get better, especially if the Republicans can pull their heads out of their behinds and get the stones to bitch-slap this punk Ubama the way he deserves and win the 2014 elections in large fashion.


21 posted on 02/27/2013 8:02:27 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ducttape45
look federal workers....you get paid too much...you have too many benefits and God knows way too big a pension...

but its not going to kill anybody to have an extra day off....I'd enjoy it....like a snow day....

just think....more 3 day weekends to enjoy with your other multitude of 3 day weekends....

22 posted on 02/27/2013 8:03:13 PM PST by cherry
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To: lp boonie
This isn’t going to be fixed with furloughs.

That's a point many here are missing.

23 posted on 02/27/2013 8:04:01 PM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (Based on a letter from an 8 year old…school is now illegal…”cuz it’s yuckey and dumb".)
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To: mnehring

Every American that works for a living got a 2.4% tax increase - A BUDGET REDUCTION - on January 1. If we can deal with it why can’t the government?


24 posted on 02/27/2013 8:05:58 PM PST by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Baynative

I agree. Hell, I think we should immediately cut 1/3rd and put in a reward system for people to find and cut waste like several states have put in place.

The entire focus is bassackwards. In the private sector, you survive by reducing expenses and maximizing profit. In the government sector, you benefit by maximizing expenses and destroying value.


25 posted on 02/27/2013 8:09:57 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

“That’s a point many here are missing.”

Nobody expects a complete solution. This one is a fake solution to be sure, but the hysterics of the bureaucracy and those entrenched within are so shrill and blood-curdling that next time nobody will pay any mind to the complaints.

The government, and the bureaucrats could have faced this honestly and directly. Instead they lie, they obfuscate and they pretend it’s the end of the world.

It’s not. You don’t hear the laments of the private sector layoff. Only government. We don’t need to hear the deafening whine of federal workers who, despite the poster of the thread’s insistence, will likely be paid in full anyway.


26 posted on 02/27/2013 8:16:48 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ducttape45

Good information.
I didn’t know the layoffs begin after 30 days of furloughs .
That is the first I heard of that.

That makes sense though.

Cavuto had a GOP Senator Colburn as a guest who claimed he found specific $45B in waste and crap in Defense that should be cut.

The taxpayers even pay for the Federal Employee Unions work having nothing to do with us.

Its war and so far the GOP has lost every one since after the 2010 elections.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 8:17:42 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: ducttape45
Been laid off twice under Zippy. Never before in 30 years.

Welcome to the party.

28 posted on 02/27/2013 8:20:53 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: ducttape45

Obama’s fault.


29 posted on 02/27/2013 8:26:09 PM PST by GOPJ (To be free is to own one's risk - Jonathan Levy)
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To: RFEngineer
Nobody expects a complete solution. This one is a fake solution to be sure, but the hysterics of the bureaucracy and those entrenched within are so shrill and blood-curdling that next time nobody will pay any mind to the complaints

Zippy has finally done something worthwhile.

30 posted on 02/27/2013 8:28:52 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Deathtomarxists
They are getting just a tiny tiny sample of what the rest of us have endured the past 4 years.

Yep... listen to the screaming because of small reductions to the fedgov budget. Imagine these cuts taking place in the social entitlement programs. This is what we're up against when we want a smaller government. My family have made due with a smaller budget for a number of years now. Time for momma gubmint to deal.
31 posted on 02/27/2013 8:35:25 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: cripplecreek

Too many people in government just have no clue about the degree of suffering those who pay their salaries and giant pensions have endured for several years now. A few unwanted furlough days? Boo-hoo-hoo! Talk to the people in the private sector who, if they are fortunate enough to have any work, have seen multiple years of downward mobility while the feds have seen raises. (Perhaps we should call them the “well-feds.”) It is way past time for them to share in America’s pain. People are tired of being robbed blind by their “public servants.” The crowd in DC seems big on “reform” these days. Maybe what America really needs is federal employee pension “reform.” Do we really need to pay them not to work for 40 years? Can we afford to? They are paid on average more than private sector counterparts. Why can’t they save and invest for their own retirements, like all the peons who are taxed to support them?


32 posted on 02/27/2013 8:39:42 PM PST by Trod Upon (The Second Amendment acknowledges our inherent right to revolt if tyrannized. It ain't about hunting)
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To: visioneer2

Sequester, no abolish, the EPA!
What about Obamas Czars?
Obama is going to get stoned with all of this disruption.


33 posted on 02/27/2013 8:46:47 PM PST by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: ducttape45

I have to laugh at the people squealing like stuck piglets.

Those workers are dealing with the same apprehension and fear that the rest of us have dealt with over the past five years or so.

Welcome to our world. Sucks, doesn’t it?


34 posted on 02/27/2013 8:52:53 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: JohnD9207

Since things are tough all over, why not cease expenditures not spent 20 years ago or cut off regulations strangling all entrepreneurs from ever starting a business?

Instead you advocate cutting 25% of low wage earner’s income in functions which are the only ones required of government.
This places them all in debt and prohibits their seeking part time work to make up the difference.

As if this were not absurd enough, we are told up front our sacrifices are neither appreciated nor do they have any effect on reducing the budget deficit.

Here’s a simple alternative.
Cease all Social Security, Housing, Welfare, Environmental, and Education programs or slaughter those on their rolls to receive their handouts and those administering them. Let those people enter into the free market and commerce. Let them learn how to enter into a contract to render a service or product in return for a day’s wage. As an alternative, place those who are receiving government handouts the opportunity to surrender everything and become slaves for barter with foreign powers, losing their nationality as well as their rights to practice homosexuality.


35 posted on 02/27/2013 9:04:18 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: agincourt1415

Just one very small example: A woman in a fed job, they are supposed to be saving money so they are ordered not to print anything in color, they can’t even use the colored cartridges they already have?!

It is amazing the things that they are forced to do that amount to nothing. There are 2 people in that office and they need 4 more because of all the stupid stuff that doesn’t come near to what they are supposed to be there for. If one person could just go and do the job that is actually supposed to be done and do it right w/o the running in circles they could get the job done working half days.


36 posted on 02/27/2013 9:12:11 PM PST by tiki
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To: ducttape45
It would be great if it was going to be 10 times as many and not furlowed but FIRED PERMINANTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
38 posted on 02/27/2013 9:20:39 PM PST by dalereed
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To: ducttape45

Like I’m gonna cry for some under-worked over-paid Govt Slackers! Try being a small business man with this Regime’s daily harassment. The best damned thing that can happen for this country is to have all Fed so-called workers go home for permanently.


39 posted on 02/27/2013 9:20:39 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: Cyber Liberty

Actually it will. OPM (Office of Personnel Management) has decreed that all impacted Federal employees will transition to a 8 hour a day schedule and take every Friday as Leave Without Pay. No local discretion. You cannot even work 5 & 3 in the same pay period, even if it would be of benefit to the government. OPM does not trust the lower escholons of the government to do it right.


40 posted on 02/27/2013 9:24:13 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: Vermont Lt
Welcome to our world. Sucks, doesn’t it?

Welcome to the Party Pal!

41 posted on 02/27/2013 9:25:20 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: JohnKinAK
Your blanket statement is clearly ignorant.

Without some of the DoD workforce, those doing direct warfighter support, additional good guys will die. I for one can afford the paycut, I am not so sure the guys on the pointy end of the spear can afford to lose the support.

42 posted on 02/27/2013 9:29:29 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: ducttape45

Gee, my Wife has been out of work since last April. She is in her late 50’s and nobody will hire her in her field of expertise.

She is now applying at Hobby Lobby and Target so she can get Health Benefits, but they aren’t offering enough hours to get those Benefits. Can you say Obamacare?

Our COBRA Healthcare is costing us $1375 a Month. I have Leukemia, so I always make sure to pay the Insurance. My Retirement Health Insurance from my former Employer will be nearly as expensive, but I am waiting until the COBRA runs out to apply for it just in case my Wife gets a Job with cheaper Benefits. Let’s just say it ain’t looking good.

I am draining my Retirement Savings three times faster than I planned. I thank God I scrimped and saved for the last 40 years so I have that money, although the Recession cost me a bundle.

My Part Time 1099 Job will be disappearing once the guy that owns the Company I contract for liquidates Inventory to a competitor so he can cash out and save his House from Foreclosure.

Not being critical. I understand how this is affecting you and your Family. Just be thankful for what you have in the age of Obama. I guarantee that you are luckier than most.


43 posted on 02/27/2013 9:34:59 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (A Republican freed the Slaves and a Democrat murdered Martin Luther King.)
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To: ducttape45

Of course, you have to be used as a pawn by the libs to whine about the end of the world if the federal government has to spend one dime less.

Even RINO’s use this ploy. When TN governor Don “The Tax Terrorist” Sunquist tried to shove an illegal income tax down our throats, he shut down rest stops. Rest stops!


44 posted on 02/27/2013 9:36:21 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: Starwolf

So bring all the troops home and save money as well as lives. It’s pretty clear after 10 years of war there is no intent to win a victory.

And btw ignorant is as ignorant does.........and the Federal Govt is neck deep in ignorance.


45 posted on 02/27/2013 9:36:45 PM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK
That reminds me. The Libtards have been complaining about the “off Budget”, (like there was a Budget LOL), expense of the TWO Wars.

Well, we're out of Iraq and we reduced Troop strength in Afghanistan, so where is all that money the Libtards said we were spending? Why is there a Deficit with all this previously wasted money saved?

Just thinking out loud. I know it's nothing that would asked of The Messiah or his Minions.

46 posted on 02/27/2013 9:47:44 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (A Republican freed the Slaves and a Democrat murdered Martin Luther King.)
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To: Starwolf
I am not so sure the guys on the pointy end of the spear can afford to lose the support.

Your prior post made clear that those in command are purposefully endangering troops by refusing to let people like you volunteer to help them. How am I supposed to have any respect for a bureaucracy that acts like that? It is literally the same behavior that my kids would engage in when they were going thru the terrible twos.

As to who is at fault here, it is most clearly not the people in the private sector who want the gov't to cut spending. Nor are the Republicans in Congress at fault for wanting to make at least some attempt to control the federal leviathan. You want to see a direct threat to our national security, look to the people who are running the executive branch in Washington - they own what is going on here lock, stock and barrel. And they seem bound and determined to destroy our private sector economy - a private sector economy, mind you, which finances everything in our country, including the military.

On a personal note, I own a small business and I work 12 hours a day, 7 days week, 50 weeks a year. I've been doing that for seven years. The only exceptions are for Christmas and Thanksgiving - during those weeks I work 6 days a week. I worry every month about making payroll and paying my own rent. And I'm not complaining because I consider myself lucky. I have a business and I'm my own boss - thank God. There are plenty of people in the private sector who are much worse off than me. But to hear federals complain about stuff that is happening to them now when that stuff (and much worse) has been going on for 5 years in the private sector is a bit hard to take.

47 posted on 02/27/2013 9:50:47 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Starwolf
I admire your attitude and work ethic Starwolf.

Here's to hoping you all make it through the tough times without too much personal harm. I'm all about reducing gov spending, at the same time it pains me to see good men and women suffering.

48 posted on 02/27/2013 10:40:32 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: cherry

I am a DoD employee and I WELCOME SEQUESTRATION but doubt they have the intestinal fortitude to actually let it happen. I just want to see someone stand up to these clowns and say the spending must stop and the cuts must begin. It will be tough to lose 20% of pay for the next 6 months but not as bad for me as for others who have bigger families or more bills. And I consider myself fortunate to have a job the past few years when many did not.
But why are these myths about federal employee salaries and retirement perpetuated? We are just like everyone else but happen to be employed by the government. A mixture of society which, in my experience (at least in DoD), appears to be more conservative as a percentage, than the general population. Many of us support sequestration and spending cuts, and are ready to make the personal sacrifice.
Federal employees have not received a cost-of-living raise in the past 3 or 4 years. Federal employees salaries are supposed to be similar to private sector jobs but we continually lag behind for comparable positions and responsibilities. And we must try to pay competitively to attract some of the best and brightest. Otherwise we end up with more of the not so best and brightest. Many employees work 50-60 hours a week without complaint or extra pay. The DoD mission is self-rewarding - supporting all the brave young men and women defending this country and serving far from home fighting our enemies. There are other federal employees in other agencies working just as hard. Not all of course, and yes, it is difficult to get rid of the slackers. Is the federal government bloated? ABSOLUTELY. Much can be cut, including people, but it has to be done correctly (and start quickly). Sequestration is only for show - few in power in Washington want to cut spending, regardless of party.
By the way, ANY federal employee hired after 1984 is covered by a 401K and Social Security, with a small defined retirement benefit (the govt. contributes 1% of pay to an account). So, any federal employee that started after 1984 gets a small pension based on years of service and salary, draws from their 401K and gets social security. That’s it! Not bad but dependent on how well your 401K performs and whether social security survives, pretty much like everyone else these days. Those who were here before 1984 (fewer and fewer) still have a pretty sweet retirement but it will eventually go away all together.
Let the cuts begin!


49 posted on 02/27/2013 11:03:14 PM PST by jim-x (9/11/2001 - Never forget, Never forgive.)
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To: Starwolf

Starwolf, many here on FR appreciate your patriotism and sacrifice. Don’t let that “All Government Employees Are Bad” few get you down.

Thank you for your willingness to support the troops.


50 posted on 02/27/2013 11:04:50 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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