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Buckley Report: Mountain man vs. the government (North Carolina)
MyFox8.com ^ | February 25, 2013 | Bob Buckley

Posted on 02/28/2013 4:22:37 AM PST by Timber Rattler

Since people started living in communities, there’s been tension between the rulers and the ruled.

That became particularly acute when America reintroduced the concept of self-government 237 years ago.

Bob Buckley reports on Eustace Conway, a Boone man who says he just wants to be free from the government and its rules.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfox8.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bureaucrat; collctive; mountainman; statist
Synopsis: Boone, North Carolina man moves up into the mountains and builds his own primitive yet impressive homestead, quietly lives there without any problems, and now the local government is poking its nose into his business and wants to tear it all down.

Bottom line: Join the collective or else go to jail!

1 posted on 02/28/2013 4:22:55 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

“Synopsis: Boone, North Carolina man moves up into the mountains and builds his own primitive yet impressive homestead, quietly lives there without any problems, and now the local government is poking its nose into his business and wants to tear it all down.
Bottom line: Join the collective or else go to jail!”

REAL Bottom Line: “Do not TREAD on me!”


2 posted on 02/28/2013 4:27:09 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Timber Rattler

I did not watch it but undoubtedly he is being zinged for no septic system...having only an outhouse. Zinged for other infractions too


3 posted on 02/28/2013 4:35:56 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: dennisw

yet if he were amish or moooslim - it would be a non issue


4 posted on 02/28/2013 4:56:04 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Timber Rattler

There are so many regulations today that building a house or commercial building, relocating a mobile home, tending to a pond on one’s property, etc., makes one almost throw their hands in the air and give up. Frustrating.


5 posted on 02/28/2013 5:00:02 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: Timber Rattler

He lives in paradise and they are jealous!


6 posted on 02/28/2013 5:01:37 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Timber Rattler

That’s God’s country up there. Beautiful area.

But ASU is very popular and has expanded significantly as has the business community to support the burgeoning student population. Throw in a lot of people retiring and recreating in the surrounding area, an abundance of elder “hippies”, a good supply of liberals (professors/students), a couple of very strict police departments (campus & local), not to mention the “locals” that are from hardy, independent mountain stock...you’re going to get some head-butting.


7 posted on 02/28/2013 5:05:03 AM PST by moovova
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To: moovova

http://www.inquisitr.com/548293/mountain-men-star-fights-the-government-for-control-of-his-property/


8 posted on 02/28/2013 5:21:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk; MinuteGal

What a beautiful environment. Gov’t bureaucrats doing their best to destroy it for no good reason. Disgusting. Everyone watch the video to see the beauty of his place.


9 posted on 02/28/2013 5:39:15 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

Could you link to the video? I couldn’t get to it


10 posted on 02/28/2013 5:42:18 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Timber Rattler

The website this story is hosted on is pure s**t. It does not work well enough for me to read the story.


11 posted on 02/28/2013 5:48:09 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: yldstrk

The website is so poorly designed, some wild random notstop ‘clicking’ was happening and I couldn’t access anything. I’ve seen better website design from dead monkeys.


12 posted on 02/28/2013 5:54:38 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: dennisw
I don't like government, but it is a necessary evil--evil, of course; it enforces its authority with violence--but also necessary.

Government and its power must be minimized. This is obvious to everyone with a functioning IQ above 60.

Having no septic system endangers other people. To allow human waste to pollute streams and rivers causes death and sickness. It probably caused sickness and death in Appalachia in times past due to such horrible diseases as typhoid, hepatitis, cholera, amoebiasis, et al.

13 posted on 02/28/2013 5:55:24 AM PST by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: Timber Rattler

This explains it all:

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?2880-The-Suicide-of-Marlboro-Man

Content:

8 December 2002

Fred Reed (fredoneverything.net)

The Suicide Of Marlboro Man

The Price Of Freedom Is Slavery. Sort Of. A Little, Anyway.

The other days I was reading G. Gordon Liddy’s book of conservative nostalgia, When I Was a Kid, This Was a Free Country. He paints a sunset picture of former times when America was free, farmers could fill in swamps without violating wetland laws, and guns were just guns. People were independent and had character, and made their own economic decisions. The market ruled as it ought, and governmental intrusion was minimal.

The picture is accurate. I lived it. I wish it would come back, which it won’t. It was a world certain to kill itself.

What happens is that, in an independent-minded rural county full of hardy yeomen, the density of population grows, either nearby or at distant points on each side. A highway comes through because the truckers lobby in Washington wants it. Building a highway is A Good Thing, because it represents Progress, and provides jobs for a year.

It also makes the country accessible to the big city fifty miles away. A real-estate developer buys 500 acres along the river from the self-reliant character-filled owner. He does this by offering sums of money that water the farmer’s eyes.

First, 500 houses go up in a bedroom suburb called Brook Dale Manor. A year later, 500 more go up at Dale View Estates. This is A Good Thing, because the character-filled independent now-former farmer is exercising his property rights, and because building the suburb creates jobs. The river now looks ugly as the devil, but this is a wacko issue.

At Safeway corporate headquarters, way off God knows where, the new population shows up as a denser shade of green on a computer screen. A new Safeway goes in along the highway. This is A Good Thing, exemplifying free enterprise in action and creating jobs in construction. Further, Safeway sells cheaper, more varied and, truth be known, better food than the half-dozen mom-and-pop stores in the county, which go out of business.

Soon the mall men in the big city hear of the county. A billion-dollar company has no difficulty in buying out a character-filled, self-reliant farmer who makes less than forty thousand dollars a year. A shopping center arrives with a Wal-Mart. This is A Good Thing, etc. Wal-Mart sells almost everything cheaply.

It also puts most of the stores in the country seat out of business. With them go the restaurants, which no longer have the walk-by traffic previously generated by the stores. With the restaurants goes the sense of community that flourishes in a town with eateries and stores and a town square. But this is granola philosophy, appealing only to meddlesome lefties.

K-Mart arrives, along with, beside the highway, McDonald’s, Arby’s, Roy Rogers, and the other way stations on route to coronary occlusion. Strip development is A Good Thing because it represents the exercise of economic freedom. The county’s commerce is now controlled by distant behemoths to whom the place is the equivalent of a pin on a map.

This is A Good Thing. The jobs in these outlets are secure and comfortable. The independent, character-filled frontiersmen are now low-level chain employees, no longer independent because they can be fired.

A third suburb, Brook Manor View Downs, appears. The displaced urbanites in these eyesores now outnumber the character-filled etcs. They are also smarter, have lawyers among their ranks, and co-operate. They quickly come to control the government of the county.

They want city sewerage, more roads, schools, and zoning. The latter isn’t unreasonable. In a sparsely settled county, a few hogs penned out back and a crumbling Merc on blocks don’t matter. In a quarter-acre yuppie ghetto, they do. Next come leash laws and dog licenses. The boisterous clouds of floppy-eared hounds turn illegal.

Prices go up, as do taxes. The profits of farming and commercial crabbing in the river do not go up. The farmers and fishermen are gradually forced to sell their land to developers, and to go into eight-to-fiving. Unfortunately you cannot simultaneously be character-filled and independent and be afraid of your boss. A hardy self-reliant farmer, when he becomes a security guard at the Gap, is a rented peon. The difference between an independent yeoman and a second-rate handyman is independence.

People make more money, and buy houses in Manor Dale Mews, but have less control over their time, and so no longer build their own barns, wire their houses, and change their own clutch-plates. Prosperity is A Good Thing. Its effect is that the children of the hardy yeoman become dependent on others to change their oil, fix their furnaces, and repair their boats.

The new urban majority are frightened by guns. They don’t hunt, knowing that food comes from Safeway and its newly-arrived competitor, Giant. They do not like independent countrymen, whom they refer to as rednecks, grits, and hillbillies. Hunting makes no sense to them anyway, since the migratory flocks are vanishing with the wetlands.

Truth be told, it isn’t safe to have people firing rifles and shotguns in what is increasingly an appendage of the city. The clout of the newcomers makes it harder for the independent whatevers to let their weapons even be seen in public. The dump is closed to rat-shooting.

The children of the hardy rustics do not do as well in school as the offspring of the commuting infestation, and are slowly marginalized. Crime goes up as social bonds break down. Before, everyone pretty much knew everyone and what his car looked like. Strangers stood out. Teenagers raised hell, but there were limits. Now the anonymity of numbers sets in and, anyway, there’s no community any longer.

And so the rural character-filled county becomes another squishy suburb of pallid yups who can’t put air in their own tires. The rugged rural individualists become cogs in somebody else’s wheel. Their children grow up as libidinous mall monkeys drugging themselves to escape boredom. The county itself is a hideous expanse of garish low-end development . People’s lives are run from afar.

What it comes to is that the self-reliant yeoman’s inalienable right to dispose of his property as he sees fit (which I do not dispute) will generally lead to a developer’s possession of it. The inalienable right to reproduce will result in crowding, which leads to dependency, intrusive government, and loss of local control.

I’d like to live again in Mr. Liddy’s world. Unfortunately it is self-eliminating. Freedom is in the long run inconsistent with freedom, because it is inevitable exercised in ways that engender control. As a species, we just can’t keep our pants up. But it was nice for a while.


14 posted on 02/28/2013 5:56:48 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: dennisw
I don't like government, but it is a necessary evil--evil, of course; it enforces its authority with violence--but also necessary.

Government and its power must be minimized. This is obvious to everyone with a functioning IQ above 60.

Having no septic system endangers other people. To allow human waste to pollute streams and rivers causes death and sickness. It probably caused sickness and death in Appalachia in times past due to such horrible diseases as typhoid, hepatitis, cholera, amoebiasis, et al.

15 posted on 02/28/2013 5:58:05 AM PST by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: Savage Beast

“Having no septic system endangers other people. To allow human waste to pollute streams and rivers causes death and sickness. It probably caused sickness and death in Appalachia in times past due to such horrible diseases as typhoid, hepatitis, cholera, amoebiasis, et al.”

Funny how the mountain man’s enterprise has survived the last 26 years with no problems, health or otherwise. Yeah, I’m sure the lack of a septic tank miles up in the woods will really trickle down to towns below, yeah right. I envy this guy’s lifestyle. So do the bureaucrats which is why they want to destroy it.


16 posted on 02/28/2013 6:03:30 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Timber Rattler
Seems that it's typically some gov't official who gets a burr up his butt over someone and just opens relentless bureaucratic fire at them until the target is provoked to do something wrong so the bureaucrat can bring in the FBI HRTs.

See Rainbow Farm, Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc.

17 posted on 02/28/2013 6:06:26 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Savage Beast

If he is by himself or even just a few people an outhouse can be put up that is very sanitary and will not threaten others. You don’t dig a hole. You build it on concrete slab with lips and you shovel it out every few months or twice a year. Just throw that waste in your woods...spread it around. Or use it to fertilize flowers or fruit trees. Not on the vegetable garden.

For a few months I lived in a rural situation with this kind of intelligent outhouse

For the guys they should piss in a bucket in the outhouse and toss the piss on the garden or just piss outside.


18 posted on 02/28/2013 6:14:38 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: flaglady47
Human waste pollution in small streams does indeed pollute streams, wells, water supplies, and rivers downstream. People who become infected with pathogens may not know where they originated.

This probably happened many times in Appalachia in the past, as someone grew ill and died and the cause and origin of death were never known.

The lack of a septic tank miles up in the woods will really trickle down to towns below.

This is basic public health--microbiology 101.

Wake up! Silliness is clouding your judgment.

19 posted on 02/28/2013 6:16:37 AM PST by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: Timber Rattler

They need to leave this guy alone. It’s probably some puke little county inspector with a God complex making his life difficult.

They hit him for stupid stuff like only having only one rail on a small bridge inches over a small creek. The buildings do look dangerous (house high on railroad ties stacked on top each other) but they (the county) arharassingng him over mostly nonsense.


20 posted on 02/28/2013 6:21:02 AM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Lazamataz
The website this story is hosted on is pure s**t.

Hey Laz, here is a good link to the story and video.

21 posted on 02/28/2013 6:24:32 AM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Savage Beast
The Parks Service uses outhouses, too. Gone to many a public campground where the only sanitary facility is an outhouse. Is a hole in the ground dug by a private citizen magically threatening to the environment while one dug by a govt union employee is not? Please explain.

Parks Service builds a $333,000 Outhouse

Parks Service agrees to reforms after building $785,000 Outhouse

The $1 million dollar Glacier National Park Outhouse

22 posted on 02/28/2013 6:26:38 AM PST by fattigermaster (Train for life in prison because they are stacking the bricks and setting the bars around you.)
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To: dennisw
Urine is generally not a public health problem. It tends to be sterile.

Fecal matter, on the other hand, is a big problem. Sanitary disposal is essential.

In fact, it is the safe disposal of human fecal matter than enabled people to live together in large cities.

The contamination of water supplies was the cause of horrible epidemics in the past.

Such public health measures as sanitary water supplies is a top priority in solving serious health problems in undeveloped countries. Its importance, here and elsewhere, cannot be overemphasized.

I once lived in a beautiful and expensive neighborhood on a large and beautiful river. My septic tank stopped working. The plumber who came to fix it told me that in the past the houses on the river emptied their household waste directly into the river and that the pipes for doing so were still intact. He advised me to reconnect my house to them and simply empty the waste into the river. Not only did I refuse to do this, but I fired him for even suggesting such a thing. I put in a new spetic tank that conformed to all public health standards and regulations.

23 posted on 02/28/2013 6:35:01 AM PST by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

About twenty years ago, I rented a farmhouse from an old gent in a nursing home. I painted, restored a lot of wood put windows in. He never charged me a cent. One day I looked at the pathetic trickle of water coming down a “stream” on the side of the property. I spent a lot of time taking the trash out of it, cutting the brush clogging it, and digging up the sediment that formed from the obstructions. I put Brook Trout in it and used to sit for hours watching them, fishing for them and releasing them. One day the fish commission showed up and said I was obstructing the “natural progression of the demise of a waterway” or some such crap.


24 posted on 02/28/2013 6:56:03 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Lazamataz

The site works for everyone else.

My suspicion is that they’re trying to shut this guy down after 26 years because some friend of someone on the county Board of Supervisors wants the land for development. There’s no other earthly reason to start hassling the man now.

I think C.S. Lewis wrote something about how the most awful tyrannies are perpetuated by self-righteous busybodies who make us do things for our own good, because they think they know what’s best for all of us, and their good intention absolve their consciences.


25 posted on 02/28/2013 7:04:11 AM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Savage Beast

“Wake up! Silliness is clouding your judgment.”

You wake up. This is one guy way up in the mountains, not a cast of thousands. And his whole gig is teaching primitive living, skills that survivalists will admire. I think you are like the petty bureaucrats that are after him, and sound more like you belong on DU or some other liberal big gov’t site.


26 posted on 02/28/2013 7:19:18 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: ottbmare
The site works for everyone else.

The site was created by tumor-laden dead monkeys on crack who failed polygraph tests. I have seen better websites written by Walking Dead zombies in fuzzy slippers. The security is impeccable: No one can get into the website at all. The amount of effort that went into this website equals the strain I push when stricken with diarreah, and the website loads with similar elegance and glory. The site is best nuked from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

27 posted on 02/28/2013 7:36:15 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: Savage Beast

“Having no septic system endangers other people”

A septic tank is an outhouse designed to deal with the huge amounts of water generated by flush toilets. It deals with human pathogens in one way, then dumps the effluent into the soil.

Traditional “outhouses” (pit latrines), deal with human pathogens without contaminating hundreds of gallons of water.

Composting latrines treat human pathogens in an aerobic system.

If designed and used properly all three are equally benign to the environment.


28 posted on 02/28/2013 7:48:47 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege; Savage Beast

“Having no septic system endangers other people”

***Traditional “outhouses” (pit latrines), deal with human pathogens without contaminating hundreds of gallons of water.***

Makes me wonder how we survived the early years with only an outhouse and well water.

Use it, spread some lime or wood ashes. What could be wrong with that!

To be honest, I have seen some outhouses placed in the WRONG place and did contaminate creek water.


29 posted on 02/28/2013 8:14:28 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THE SOUND OF MUSIC at the POTEET THEATRE in OKC! See our murals before they are painted over!)
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To: Lazamataz

Darling Laz, this sort of post is why I and everyone else here love you! You are so funny. xoxo


30 posted on 02/28/2013 8:54:02 AM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: flaglady47
Blah blah blah!

People can live as primatively as the wish, but they must dispose of their fecal material in a sanitary manner.

31 posted on 02/28/2013 9:30:52 AM PST by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Right!


32 posted on 02/28/2013 9:32:29 AM PST by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: ottbmare

If you are a chick, let’s get married.


33 posted on 02/28/2013 10:59:25 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: Timber Rattler
There are a few links about this story catalogued on this thread you may find interesting:

Mountain Man vs. Government - January 2013 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2977682/posts

34 posted on 02/28/2013 4:52:27 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Lazamataz

I used to be a chick, but now I’m middle-aged. Sorry. Time and tide wait for no man (or woman).


35 posted on 02/28/2013 7:53:46 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Truly! Some of the most beautiful mountin forest East of the Mississippi, just a little over an hour drive to the Daniel Boone Inn Restaurant. Y’all come back now, ya heeuh.


36 posted on 02/28/2013 8:07:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Drop by the Daniel Boone Inn, get a sack full of their country ham biscuits, then ride over to the Watauga Gun Club and meet some of the greatest people in the world.


37 posted on 03/01/2013 7:14:12 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: haffast

I’m a member of the Unake Rod & Gun Club. Have a had an occasional Watauga member visit out facilities awhile back. Where is the Watauga Club located?


38 posted on 03/01/2013 8:28:50 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Just outside Boone. Contact Wayne Green or Rick Oakes. I used to shoot IPSC with them years ago. I see they are still there.

Watauga Gun Club
232 Appaloosa Trl
Boone, NC 28607

http://maps.yahoo.com/#q2=232+Appaloosa+Trl%2C+Boone%2C+NC+28607-8201&lat=36.262821&lon=-81.626808&zoom=16&mvt=m&trf=0

http://www.wataugagunclub.com/

Emails:
http://www.wataugagunclub.com/index1.html


39 posted on 03/01/2013 4:58:02 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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