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1 posted on 02/28/2013 7:25:30 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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The real push back will come from the poor who will be forced to pay for health care. They were assuming it was going to be free and no one had bothered to tell them differently.


2 posted on 02/28/2013 7:30:54 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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While there are many good points in Klein’s article, the premise that we lost the health care debate is absolutely incorrect. We simply had no power to stop it. The Democrats has super majorities. We won literally every election in the country when health care and Obamacare was the primary issue. This started with Scott Brown in Massaschusetts.

2012 was not about Obamacare. The Democrats made the election successfully around a variety of single issue ideas and ‘fairness’ that some other people need to pay more taxes.

We won the Obamacare debate on ideas...and have maintained a significant edge in public opinion consistently for more three years running.

To Klein’s point, the Republicans really screwed up in the mid 2000s by not pushing forward with health care reforms when WE had the votes to do so.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 7:33:55 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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If the bill wa so popular, why were a majority of the people against it to te point that Obama had to bribe and extort politician support and votes for it to pass?
Mr. Klein is forgetting that.


4 posted on 02/28/2013 7:34:42 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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1) conservatives DID NOT lose the health care debate, since the majority of Americans still do not want nor approve of obama care!

2) Health-care was pushed through by graft and extortion, e.g. “corn-huskers kickback!”

3) where in the hell was conservative principles displayed or argued during the health care debate?

Enough said!

5 posted on 02/28/2013 7:36:19 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fury From the Sky")
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They didn’t lose the debate. They lost the entire Congress briefly, due to the idiot Bush, and the Dems took advantage of their short term control.


6 posted on 02/28/2013 7:43:04 AM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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The conservatives didn’t lose the debate on nobamacare. When it passed it was because the dem/libs had control of Congress and POTUS. GOP nor anyone else had any power to stop or even amend the Bill that was passed by demonrats.

Although the dems were stupid enough to leave a lot of loose ends inside the Bill, they were smart enough to make it tough to recind by a later GOP majority.

As said prior, by the time 2016 election rolls around, everyone, except maybe holder’s people, will so damn fed up with anything the dems push, it will be a landslide away from anything dem, unless they are as lucky as FDR was to have a major war come along to save the economy and his butt.


8 posted on 02/28/2013 7:47:54 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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Though it's a struggle to come up with silver linings from the passage of the health care law, it seemed that, at least for a while, conservatives were becoming more engaged on the health care issue. But in hindsight, the interest in health care policy on the Right is looking more like a fad built around opposition to Obamacare.

Well, many people believe that the federal government should have no role in the health care industry. Where in the Constitution is there any delegation of power to control health care?

Medicare, Obamacare and Medicaid are unconstitutional and should be scrapped. Despite the fear campaign, if those three programs were to be scrapped tomorrow, most people would be unaffected and those that would be affected would soon figure out another way to get health care.

9 posted on 02/28/2013 7:49:28 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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uhhh....except that Conservatives NEVER LOST the healthcare debate. Obama and Harry Reid had to resort to bribery, tricks and skullduggery to cram an unpopular piece of legislation up our mmmmmm.....mmmmmm.....mmmmmmmms.

Even today a clear majority still opposes it.


11 posted on 02/28/2013 8:50:48 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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In 1993 and 1994, for instance, when the Clintons were pushing their national health care plan, the conservative movement rose up to successfully defeat it. But then, instead of taking advantage of the intervening 15 years to advance market-based solutions to health care, conservative activists largely ignored the issue.

Klein is absolutely correct on this point. We are afraid of being labeled "activists" OR we are cowed into retreat (see: Bush's social security reforms post-2004 election) by the left.

We ought to keep pushing--hard--for repeal and reform. Reform doesn't mean big government solutions.

Thanks, Klein, for your insights.

12 posted on 02/28/2013 9:34:47 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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The Center will not hold.


14 posted on 02/28/2013 10:34:07 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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