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The US Is Putting More White People In Prison, And Meth Could Be To Blame
TBI ^ | 2-28-2013 | Erin Fuchs

Posted on 02/28/2013 7:43:39 AM PST by blam

The US Is Putting More White People In Prison, And Meth Could Be To Blame

Erin Fuchs
February 28, 2013

There's been a huge shift in the racial makeup of U.S. prisons in the past decade, The New York Times reports.

The Sentencing Project analyzed prison populations from 2000 to 2009, finding the rates of incarceration for blacks dropped sharply during that period: 30.7 percent for black women and 9.8 percent for men.

The report also found a major spike in incarceration rates for white men and women during the same period, according to The Times. The rate for white women increased 47.1 percent for white women and 8.5 percent for white men.

Rates of incarceration dropped slightly for Hispanic men but jumped 23.3 percent for Hispanic women.

A dramatic shift in a prison population is highly unusual, the Sentencing Project's director Marc Mauer told The Times. From the Times:

"But the trend is clear, Mr. Mauer said, adding that no single factor could explain the shifting figures but that changes in drug laws and sentencing for drug offenses probably played a large role. Other possible contributors included decreasing arrest rates for blacks, the rising number of whites and Hispanics serving mandatory sentences for methamphetamine abuse, and socioeconomic shifts that have disproportionately affected white women."

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


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KEYWORDS: addiction; drugs; meth; prison; warondrugs; whites; wod; wodlist; wosd
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This ought to make a lot of people happy.
1 posted on 02/28/2013 7:43:45 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

2 posted on 02/28/2013 7:47:16 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: blam

Meth and violence go hand in hand.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 7:48:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: blam

Make all drugs legal. Tax them. Let Government regulate them. And nothing will change...


4 posted on 02/28/2013 7:48:58 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Jeff Chandler
The US Is Putting More White People In Prison

Finally, an affirmative action program that left-wingers can get behind!
5 posted on 02/28/2013 7:50:51 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: blam
In a tangentially related story...
6 posted on 02/28/2013 7:51:42 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: blam

Looks like the Affirmative Action programs have finally been realized.

Or, the judicial system is becoming more blind and treating criminals of all races more equally.

The Fair Sentencing Act of 2010 will serve to further equalize the disparity between whites and blacks in prison.


7 posted on 02/28/2013 7:58:49 AM PST by OKRA2012
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If you think the tobacco lawsuits were messy, wait until you see the Meth lawsuits.


8 posted on 02/28/2013 7:59:25 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: blam

If they were really serious about the drug war, they would do it like Singapore, if you are caught dealing, death penalty. Until then, I know they really aren’t serious about it.


9 posted on 02/28/2013 8:02:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: AppyPappy

Maybe Meth users should organize. You know, they were once depressed about their life situation, and now because of the wonder drug meth, it makes them “feel” better. I know, “medical meth”!


10 posted on 02/28/2013 8:06:50 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: corlorde

The gubmint ain’t gonna let you make your own untaxed Meth.


11 posted on 02/28/2013 8:11:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I can just see the guy on death row for hacking 3 people to death suing “Big Meth” for a lifetime of pain and suffering.

I suspect that if you managed to shut down all the small time meth cooks and offer the business to a large pharmaceutical company, the company wouldn’t touch it based on the liabilities alone.


12 posted on 02/28/2013 8:12:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Make all drugs legal. Tax them. Let Government regulate them. And nothing will change...

Except that criminals will no longer reap hyperinflated profits but will be competed out of that market.

13 posted on 02/28/2013 8:14:45 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Put the government in charge of distributing them, like health care. They would cost five times as much but no one would have any.


14 posted on 02/28/2013 8:15:50 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: blam
adding that no single factor could explain the shifting figures

How about PC judges exercising disgression in sentencing.

15 posted on 02/28/2013 8:16:16 AM PST by skeeter
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Because we all know that legalizing cigarettes will keep the mob out of the business


16 posted on 02/28/2013 8:17:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: AppyPappy; cripplecreek
If you think the tobacco lawsuits were messy, wait until you see the Meth lawsuits.

I'm still waiting for the alcohol lawsuits. But I'm not holding my breath - brewers and distillers never claimed their product was free from health effects.

17 posted on 02/28/2013 8:17:55 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: blam

Fine with me. It keeps my white neighborhood all the safer.


18 posted on 02/28/2013 8:18:07 AM PST by MNDude (Guns don't kill people, Democrats kill people)
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To: dfwgator
Make all drugs legal. Tax them. Let Government regulate them. And nothing will change...

Except that criminals will no longer reap hyperinflated profits but will be competed out of that market.

Because we all know that legalizing cigarettes will keep the mob out of the business

You got me - make all drugs legal, tax them nonexcessively, let government regulate them, and criminals will no longer reap hyperinflated profits but will be competed out of that market.

19 posted on 02/28/2013 8:21:19 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: dfwgator
If they were really serious about the drug war, they would do it like Singapore

The Hell with the Founding Fathers, let's emulate Third World sh!tholes.

20 posted on 02/28/2013 8:23:04 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
tax them nonexcessively,

Yeah, right, like the government would ever pass up a chance to gain more revenue.

21 posted on 02/28/2013 8:23:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Jeff Chandler
Everyone Knows It's Wendy
22 posted on 02/28/2013 8:23:24 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

So you consider a country with the third highest per capita income in the world a Third World sh!thole?


23 posted on 02/28/2013 8:25:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
tax them nonexcessively,

Yeah, right, like the government would ever pass up a chance to gain more revenue.

They've managed to not tax into existence a significant black market in alcohol. (And note that by all accounts the profits from black market smokes are a drop in the bucket compared to those from banned drugs.)

24 posted on 02/28/2013 8:25:28 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Alcohol can claim that its intent was not to be addictive and not harmful in normal use.

Meth and cigarettes/smokeless cannot make those claims. Both are highly addictive and harmful even in normal use.


25 posted on 02/28/2013 8:31:13 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: dfwgator
"While the World Bank reports that our economy has the highest per capita GDP (PPP-adjusted) in Asia at $49,288, our people do not enjoy a quality of life commensurate with these statistics. In fact, according to the UBS study, some indicators suggest that Singaporeans are not much better off than those in Third World countries." - http://www.transitioning.org/2011/04/16/ubs-singapore-has-russian-standard-of-living/
26 posted on 02/28/2013 8:32:23 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: cripplecreek

More of the same trend I’ve been noticing for a number of years now. A burgeoning White Trash population that is following the same path to ruin as the Black community did a couple of generations ago.


27 posted on 02/28/2013 8:35:34 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"Make all drugs legal. Tax them. Let Government regulate them."

Why are you pro-tax and pro-regulation?

;-)

28 posted on 02/28/2013 8:39:49 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Jeff Chandler
Wendy, another satisfied Saul Goodman customer
29 posted on 02/28/2013 8:40:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
let's emulate Third World sh!tholes

Clearly you've never been to Singapore.

The average Singaporean makes $61K per year, versus the US average of $49K.

It is one of the cleanest places I've ever seen, comparable to German cities.

And the people there are unfailingly civil and helpful.

When you say unintelligent things like this, it doesn't help your argument.

30 posted on 02/28/2013 8:41:20 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I just saw a local news story about police seeking info on a white kid and a black kid (early 20s) who tried walking out of Walmart with a cart full of stolen goods and beat down the elderly greeter.

Last week it was a story about a white and black kid involved in a home invasion and beating of an elderly resident.


31 posted on 02/28/2013 8:43:56 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: blam

you took the words right out of my brain


32 posted on 02/28/2013 8:44:38 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Go to any rap concert (or don’t), the point being that most people at one will be white.


33 posted on 02/28/2013 8:47:04 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

Ebony and Ivory.


34 posted on 02/28/2013 8:52:00 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: wideawake

I also seem to recall some TV programs recounting the problem the Singpore Government has with its upstanding citizens taking a piss in elevators....

They are undoubtedly a clean and relatively crime-free environment. Yet, rebellion takes its curious routes...there is/was a reason for the rebel pissing.


35 posted on 02/28/2013 8:52:44 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: blam

“The US Is Putting More White People In Prison, And Meth Could Be To Blame”

Nope.
It’s called “gettin’ even with whitey”...


36 posted on 02/28/2013 8:55:37 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: JustSayNoToNannies; dfwgator
"Transitioning.org" - your source, JSNTN, is a leftwing site associated with the "Occupy" movement of Singapore - NDP.

They are arguing that living in Singapore is more like living in Moscow than in Zurich.

Not living up to Zurich standards is not indicative of "Third World" status. Zurich - a bankers' haven of maybe 400,000 people - may be the most wealthy city in the world.

Singaporeans have a higher cost of living than Muscovians - an apartment in Moscow is cheaper than an apartment in Singapore, a used car is cheaper in Moscow than in Singapore - but they also have a much higher average wage.

Moscow is one of the highest crime cities in the developed world. Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates of any city in the world.

The quality of life in Moscow - which is not a Third World city - is much lower than in Singapore.

There is a reason why half a million people from the developed West work and live in Singapore - because the standard of living there is up to the standard to which they are accustomed.

37 posted on 02/28/2013 8:56:21 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I can see clear evidence that you are correct. Here in the Northwest, the spotted owl and attendant regulations have decimated the timber industry. The more ambitious moved out and changed occupations. The person who really never wanted to work now has an excuse not to work. Welfare of various types keeps them going but at a minimal level.

There is money in meth but most just fill in their hours using it and robbing, fighting, etc. Not much different from hip hop culture except no gangs yet and rural areas spread them out. My daughter is on a hospital group dealing with the effects of domestic violence. Such violence has mushroomed in the past several years. I could go on about such things as the rape and murder of a five year old by a meth user in a family of meth users.

With the shutdown of coal and other industries, the future doesn’t look good. I’ve been blasted for saying the black problem is hip hop culture and no reasonably available employment. The problems are spreading and the white slacker/meth head culture is growing. It ain’t a pretty sight.


38 posted on 02/28/2013 8:58:15 AM PST by JimSEA ( “what difference does it make?”)
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To: Gaffer

Every society has its dregs. Even Singapore.


39 posted on 02/28/2013 8:58:53 AM PST by wideawake
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To: blam

Not so long ago there was an article about a movement to “equalize” conviction rates based on race.

Blacks were/are complaining that a disproportionate number of blacks were in prison.
And of course the only explanation for the disparity they could come up with is RACISM.
So they wanted government to see that more whites and fewer blacks were sent to prison.

That way everyone would be doing their “Fair Share”, regardless of race.


40 posted on 02/28/2013 9:02:13 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Iron Munro
Blacks were/are complaining that a disproportionate number of blacks were in prison.

"It made my heart ache, you know, to see all these beautiful black men in the joint. The warriors should be out there helping the masses. I felt that way, I was real naive. Six weeks I was up there and I talked to the brothers. I talked to 'em, and ... THANK GOD WE GOT PENITENTIARIES" - Richard Pryor

41 posted on 02/28/2013 9:04:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: JimSEA
"Here in the Northwest, the spotted owl and attendant regulations have decimated the timber industry"

That's the NORTHERN Spotted Owl. Because the same critter below a certain parallel is doing quite well, thank you very much. Down there they call that same critter the SOUTHERN Spotted Owl.

42 posted on 02/28/2013 9:06:44 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: JimSEA

Strix occidentalis caurina – Northern Spotted Owl
Strix occidentalis occidentalis – California Spotted Owl
Strix occidentalis lucida – Mexican Spotted Owl

The Gila Wilderness is home to the largest population of the Mexican sub-species.[4]

The nearly contiguous range of the Northern Spotted Owl extends from southwestern British Columbia south through western Washington and Oregon to Marin County on the north-central coast of California.[5][6] The California Spotted Owl’s range overlaps that of the Northern Spotted Owl in the southern Cascade Range, and extends south through the western Sierra Nevada to Tulare County. They also occur in discrete populations in mountainous areas of coastal and southern California from Monterey County to northern Baja California.[5][6] In the United States the Mexican Spotted Owl occurs in disjunct populations in mountain ranges and canyons of Utah, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, and extreme western Texas. In Mexico it ranges from Sonora, Chihuahua, Nuevo León, and eastern Coahuila through the Sierra Madre Occidental and Sierra Madre Oriental as far south as Michoacán......

.....The California Spotted Owl is not considered to be threatened nor endangered by the USFWS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_Owl


43 posted on 02/28/2013 9:10:13 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: AppyPappy
Alcohol can claim that its intent was not to be addictive and not harmful in normal use.

Meth and cigarettes/smokeless cannot make those claims. Both are highly addictive and harmful even in normal use.

That could be the difference. But since the cigarette makers are still in business and turning a profit, it's unlikely that nobody would sell a comparably addictive legal drug.

44 posted on 02/28/2013 9:10:13 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The US is putting more white people in Prison.
Meth equalizing opportunity regardless of race.

I suppose it could be some form of affirmative
action prisom plan... wouldn’t want a racial
imbalance, wouldn’t be fair...


45 posted on 02/28/2013 9:12:19 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: dfwgator

Third highest per-capita income in the world, with a government that’s like Michael Bloomberg on steroids.


46 posted on 02/28/2013 9:13:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: wideawake

True....the gist of the program I saw, I think a 60 minutes hit job was that it was “understandable pissing” because the Singapore government was draconian and conservative and these poor free-thinkers were understandably rebelling to oppressive authority.

We are on the cusp of the same thing in this country. But it will be the reverse. An oppressive evil government bent on destroying our traditional values. Who knows what form our ‘pissing rebellion’ will take? I think they are anticipating it, thus the hell-bent-for-leather efforts right now on controlling (actually they intend consficating) guns.


47 posted on 02/28/2013 9:15:36 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Uncle Miltie

Your post makes a compelling case that the true target of the green movement is industry and not species protection.


48 posted on 02/28/2013 9:16:23 AM PST by JimSEA ( “what difference does it make?”)
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To: wideawake; dfwgator
your source, JSNTN, is a leftwing site

And their source is hard numbers from Swiss bank UBS. "Singaporeans have a low purchasing power of only 39.9, comparable to Kuala Lumpur (39.5), Warsaw (34.0) and Bogota (33.7). [...] the ordinary Malaysian citizen has about the same domestic purchasing power as the Singaporean."

49 posted on 02/28/2013 9:18:58 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JimSEA

True. The “Northern Spotted Owl” was an environmentalist’s construct that divides the same critter by latitude in order to shut down the timber industry.


50 posted on 02/28/2013 9:23:10 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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