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Defund Obamacare or Bust
RedState.com ^ | Feb. 28, 2013 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 02/28/2013 9:46:36 AM PST by justiceseeker93

It’s really simple, folks. Everything boils down to Obamacare.

Do we really believe that Obamacare will make private health insurance unaffordable?

Do we really believe Obamacare will bankrupt the nation and relegate the next generation of Americans to a dimmer future of less freedom and opportunity?

Do we really believe Obamacare will create incorrigible dependency?

Do we really believe that Obamacare will lead to a deterioration of healthcare services and rationed care?

Are we really serious about balancing the budget and reforming entitlements?

If the answer to the aforementioned questions is a resounding yes, which is presumably the case for all conservatives, then the following statements from House conservatives regarding funding Obamacare in the upcoming budget CR are incomprehensible: (via The Hill)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0care; abortion; conservatives; deathpanels; defundobamacare; euthanasia; funding; house; obamacare; zerocare
The House can and should pass a full repeal of Obamacare even before specific budgetary issues are dealt with, just like it did in the last term. Sure, repeal wouldn't pass the 'Rat infested Senate, but at least it will show the country that the Washington Pubbies at least have some backbone, and it will be politically popular as well, since the majority of Americans have never liked Obamacare.
1 posted on 02/28/2013 9:46:47 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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Don’t have to repeal the law. Neuter it. Don’t fund any line item for any agency that is in any way connected with Obamacare.

There are thousands of “dead laws” on the books that never get funding so you never hear too much about them.

If the Republicans were truely serious about doing away with Obamacare, simply de-fund it. The Senate can’t do anything about it except bolt back on to an HR, so the House can take it back off.


2 posted on 02/28/2013 9:54:41 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: justiceseeker93

ObamaCare is all about single-payer.

Medicaid is the “doorway” that single-payer is going to be implemented through.

Governors are enabling that transition. Obama will have the states implement single-payer for him through state Medicaid programs.

No fight will be needed at the federal level.

Incrementalism. It’s what’s for dinner.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 10:11:00 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: LucyT; Arizona Carolyn; holdonnow; Sean Hannity; socialismisinsidious; GailA; nikos1121; Ravi; ...

Ping!!!


4 posted on 02/28/2013 10:16:19 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: USCG SimTech
If the Republicans were truely serious about doing away with Obamacare, simply de-fund it.

The Republicans are basically a spineless bunch of typical politicians. I'm ashamed of them and I am a conservative Constitutionalists and voted Republican.

5 posted on 02/28/2013 10:23:23 AM PST by Logical me
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To: headstamp 2; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
ObamaCare is all about single-payer.

Medicaid is the “doorway” that single-payer is going to be implemented through.

Governors are enabling that transition. Obama will have the states implement single-payer for him through state Medicaid programs.

No fight will be needed at the federal level.

Incrementalism. It’s what’s for dinner.

Yup... great post, headstamp 2.

God help us all...

6 posted on 02/28/2013 10:38:12 AM PST by nutmeg (Who and WHERE are the Benghazi survivors??)
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To: headstamp 2
ObamaCare is all about single-payer.

Medicaid is the “doorway” that single-payer is going to be implemented through.

Governors are enabling that transition. Obama will have the states implement single-payer for him through state Medicaid programs.

No fight will be needed at the federal level.

Incrementalism. It’s what’s for dinner.

Yup... great post, headstamp 2.

God help us all...

7 posted on 02/28/2013 10:39:02 AM PST by nutmeg (Who and WHERE are the Benghazi survivors??)
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Crap... sorry about the double post!


8 posted on 02/28/2013 10:40:41 AM PST by nutmeg (Who and WHERE are the Benghazi survivors??)
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To: headstamp 2; All
ObamaCare is all about single-payer.

Yes, the ultimate goal of the left is to have private insurance fail by design by putting so many mandates on the private carriers so that their policies will become priced out of the general marketplace. Then Big Brother will come to the rescue and offer an "affordable" plan, one size fits all, i.e., single payer. Problem is that everywhere it's been tried, the quality of care deteriorates, yet the expense to taxpayers is prohibitive.

Medicaid is the “doorway” that single-payer is going to be implemented through.

Governors are enabling that transition. Obama will have the states implement single-payer for him through state Medicaid programs.

I don't necessarily agree with that. I'm aware that some states, even with GOP governors, have opted to participate in the Medicaid part of Obamacare, at least for now. But there will be some holdouts that will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into it. That would require even more federal legislation. But it's difficult to foresee the entire population accepting Medicaid or something like it, because it's a poverty program with all the attendant problems in obtaining access to quality care.

9 posted on 02/28/2013 10:44:08 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Unless we can get 41 solid senate votes in 2014 Obamacare is funded for the next fours years and I would say that it might be impossible after that to get rid of entirely.

With stimulus in 2009, roughly $1T, that became part of the baseline budget. Because the Senate will not vote on a budget that $1T stays in there. This was the plan all along! How to increase the budget by $1T 101!


10 posted on 02/28/2013 11:56:35 AM PST by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: justiceseeker93

What would happen if everyone in America took 2 days off, from work, shopping (food, fuel etc) didn’t use any thing like t.v’s, radios, lights, etc...didn’t drive anywhere, didn’t use the internet, cell phones, land lines, etc....what would this do to our ecomony? Would it show the man in washington d.c. ( I can’t call him President, he doesn’t know what leadership is)?


11 posted on 02/28/2013 12:30:00 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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To: nutmeg; headstamp 2

Yes, incrementalism is the modern commie’s best friend.


12 posted on 02/28/2013 1:27:32 PM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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What would happen if everyone in America took 2 days off, from work, shopping (food, fuel etc) didn’t use any thing like t.v’s, radios, lights, etc...didn’t drive anywhere, didn’t use the internet, cell phones, land lines, etc....what would this do to our economy? Would it show the man in washington d.c. ( I can’t call him President, he doesn’t know what leadership is)?

OK, let's say hypothetically your plan is put into effect and, amazingly enough, the majority of Americans cooperate with it. The economy is hurt even more. But what's that to Obama? At best, he wouldn't care; at worst, he'd be happy. His ultimate goal is to shrink the private sector and grow government.

And as far as Obamacare is concerned, I would presume that your scenario would result in hospitals closing down and medical care becoming just about unavailable. That would present a perfect situation for him to declare an "emergency" and unilaterally declare Homeland Security as the sole provider of medical care around the country. That's how a tyrannical mindset works. What's going on now with Obamacare is, in the left's way of thinking, a more deliberate way of achieving essentially the same thing.

13 posted on 02/28/2013 2:32:46 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Logical me; All
The Republicans are basically a spineless bunch of typical politicians.

If you're talking about the Republicans in Congress, I would agree in general, especially the current House and Senate GOP leadership. But there are some exceptions that shouldn't be lumped together with the rest.

14 posted on 02/28/2013 2:38:42 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Thank you for your reply. I wondered if that is really how he would think, but needed to see someone else thinking the same way to answer the question.

We just need to get rid of obamacare, now rather than later, its going to kill this Nation along with so many other things he’s doing.


15 posted on 02/28/2013 3:23:11 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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To: justiceseeker93

Bonehead even said it during the last campaign, they will fund it because its the law of the land.


16 posted on 02/28/2013 3:24:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Thanks justiceseeker93.


17 posted on 02/28/2013 5:08:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: justiceseeker93

“But it’s difficult to foresee the entire population accepting Medicaid or something like it, because it’s a poverty program with all the attendant problems in obtaining access to quality care. “

I can see your point but it can morph into something else and be shoved on the public at large. How many times has that happened before with a government program. Social Security wasn’t supposed to be a retirement program either but that’s what it has become to millions of Americans.

SSI/SSD wasn’t supposed to be a catch all for disability but that has what they have become. Including kids.


18 posted on 03/01/2013 9:04:34 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2; All
Social Security wasn’t supposed to be a retirement program either but that’s what it has become to millions of Americans.

A historical note: Social Security was a cleverly designed and packaged name for a program instituted by the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration, sold on the false premise that workers would be buying an "insurance policy" that would provide them with supplemental income for their retirement years to allow them to be "secure". (Of course, in no other insurance policy agreement could the "insurer" make unilateral changes in the terms and conditions without the policyholder's consent.) The true purpose of it, as admitted to later by some politicians who were in on its start, was to lock in the senior vote for the Democrats forever via a monthly government check. On that alone, they turned out to be wrong, but they gradually added a whole spate of "entitlements" for selected demographic groups, in return for which the recipient is expected to reciprocate at the voting booth. Problem is, as life expectancy increased dramaticaly, SS and other entitlements became actuarially unsound and unaffordable in their existing state - hence the debt and deficit situation the government is facing now.

19 posted on 03/01/2013 12:56:18 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Obamacare does two things from a high level standpoint. It forces insurance companies to pay out more in benefits, and provides a weak promise to put more money into the system.

Rates are going up, no doubt. They're on an unsustainable path and the government exchanges are being created to eventually provide universal care aka socialized medicine to all.

20 posted on 03/01/2013 12:59:52 PM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: Vision
I agree with you that Obamacare forces insurance companies to pay out more in benefits and that rates are going up - as a natural consequence of the increased payouts, guaranteed issue regardless of medical history, and forcing "community rating" on the insurers.

I agree as well that "they're on an unsustainable path" and that the end game projected is a one size fits all, single-payer government insurer like in Canada.

But how does Obamacare "provide a weak promise to put more money into the system"? Please explain that.

21 posted on 03/01/2013 2:18:29 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
But how does Obamacare "provide a weak promise to put more money into the system"? Please explain that.

The individual mandate is the promise and it's weak because it's a based on a theory and enforcement of the mandate barely exists.

They justified the increased benefits payout by saying more money would come into the system since everyone now has to buy health insurance. And they rationalized that these new subscribers wouldn't use benefits since they're healthy and low risk. They ignored that many are probably illegal aliens. The penalty for not buying is low and nobody really knows how it's going to be enforced.
22 posted on 03/01/2013 5:39:45 PM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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