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Raid on ALS patient's home spotlights fight for medical marijuana
TAMPA BAY TIMES ^ | February 28, 2013 | John Romano

Posted on 02/28/2013 10:18:49 AM PST by Lexington Green

One of the suspects in this case is dying.

She is in her 60s, and confined to a wheelchair.

One of the other suspects is her caretaker.

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He is also in his 60s, and a disabled Vietnam veteran.

This husband-and-wife crime wave were at their home in Parrish, just across the Sunshine Skyway bridge in Manatee County, when deputies arrived Monday afternoon.

It seems a real estate agent had been checking out a house next door when she spotted marijuana plants growing in the back yard of Bob and Cathy Jordan.

Several deputies, detectives and undercover narcotics cops in ski masks later, two mature plants and various seedlings were confiscated, and the case was turned over to the State Attorney's Office to determine if charges are to be brought against Ma and Pa Jordan.

This would almost be comical if Bob was not worried it might lead to his wife's death.

Cathy Jordan has amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease) and has depended on marijuana to combat the progressive nature and many of the symptoms of her disease.

"I know it's against the law, and I know the cops have a job to do. But I have a responsibility, too, and my responsibility is taking care of my wife,'' said Bob Jordan, a retired steel worker. "They don't have to tell me this is serious. To us, this is life-and-death serious.

"I'm not backing down. If I have to go to jail, I'll go to jail. Just because something is illegal, doesn't make it morally wrong. My wife is dying! She's dying, man.''

Unbeknownst to the Manatee County Sheriff's Office, the people they were investigating have been leaders in a push to legalize cannabis for medicinal purposes in Florida.

On Wednesday afternoon, two days after the incident, Sen. Jeff Clemens, D-Lake Worth, filed the previously planned Cathy Jordan Medical Cannabis Act (SB 1250) in the Senate.

Clemens has filed similar bills the previous two years in the House and has essentially been ignored by his fellow legislators.

Even though 18 states have passed medical marijuana laws, and recent polls indicate Florida residents are overwhelmingly in favor of it, Clemens has little faith that his legislation will pass this year. His hope is that it will at least be discussed in a workshop and pick up momentum for sometime down the road.

"What is the public purpose of this policy? Is this the best way to use law enforcement resources?'' Clemens asked. "We are spending billions of dollars investigating, arresting, prosecuting and then housing people for small-time drug offenses. It's mind-boggling.

"The hope is that by regulating medicinal cannabis we can at least eliminate the senseless cases like this one in Manatee County.''

In the meantime, the Jordans are talking to an attorney and hoping the State Attorney's Office decides this is not a case worth pursuing.

They're also worrying about Cathy's health because they say cannabis is the only drug that has alleviated her depression and muscle issues while also helping with her appetite.

"This is her medicine. It's that simple,'' said Bob Jordan. "The problem is people are prejudiced against cannabis because of the tie-dye, hippie, bulls--- image.

"They don't have a cure for this. And none of their legal drugs ever did a thing for her.''


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Arresting the sick, dying, and lame… Because they are so easy to catch.
1 posted on 02/28/2013 10:19:00 AM PST by Lexington Green
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To: Lexington Green
Arresting the sick, dying, and lame… Because they are so easy to catch.

Note the parallel to gun-control initiatives with respect to criminals vs. the law-abiding.

2 posted on 02/28/2013 10:28:18 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Lexington Green

This is more like a case study of Soros’ influence peddling machines trying to legalize narcotics. In Colombia they voted 95% against it because they know first hand the crime, addiction devastation, and death that comes with drugs. All drugs.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 10:30:54 AM PST by mgist
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To: Lexington Green

More laws...Ban guns, ban beer..ban cars that can go faster than the speed limit...Ban it all


4 posted on 02/28/2013 10:32:09 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lexington Green

These people are obviously Loserdopians whose heads need a couple of cracks from the Fed’s nightstick so they can learn to ThinkRight.


5 posted on 02/28/2013 10:34:05 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Lexington Green
"We are spending billions of dollars investigating, arresting, prosecuting and then housing people for small-time drug offenses."

Yes, that's right. Billions.

Jail is big, big business for those sheriff's departments that have nominal management at county jails.

6 posted on 02/28/2013 10:38:21 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Lexington Green

It also cures pernicious dandruff.


7 posted on 02/28/2013 10:39:19 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Hope that’s sarcasm. If not, submit a resume to the sheriff’s department. You’d do great in inmate management.


8 posted on 02/28/2013 10:40:25 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Lexington Green

I know it’s illegal but I want it therefore I should be allowed to have it.


9 posted on 02/28/2013 10:41:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mgist

I’m sure you will get flamed for your post, but you are spot on. There will always be these pull-at-the-heart-strings stories out there. The Left practically invented this emotional tactic.

The bottom line is that there are always better medical alternatives to marijuana. Most people with more than one brain cell left know that the whole “medical marijuana” angle is a ruse, an effort to slowly break down the resistance.

I have no doubt this guy is thoroughly convinced that marijuana helps his wife, but the science says that there are better alternatives.

It is time to stop the deception. Medical marijuana is the pathway used to legalize smoking pot, the path of least resistance.

Why not advocate legalizing the plant-based drugs, cocaine or heroin too?


10 posted on 02/28/2013 10:41:15 AM PST by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

lol...Ya never know anymore....Ya got people out here cheering on the feds....yuk yuk...


11 posted on 02/28/2013 10:42:27 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Hope that’s sarcasm. If not, submit a resume to the sheriff’s department. You’d do great in inmate management.

The best sarcasm is when people can't even tell it's sarcasm!

Wow . . . a '98er. Can't believe we've never crossed paths before on the WOD threads.

12 posted on 02/28/2013 10:45:44 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Lexington Green
So a dying woman is not allowed to have a few tokes for relief from ALS? There are those on FR who have called for the death of anyone smoking the herb, sad to say.
William F. Buckley was a pot smoker, and Queen Elizabeth I drank it as tea for her menstrual cramps.
The bottom line is, God grew it. I smoke it, and that settles it. Don't like that? I'll get over it.
13 posted on 02/28/2013 10:46:42 AM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: Lexington Green

So they can make Tobacco into gum and Patches, but they cannot make Marijuana into a pill?????

This is the MAIN issue I have with “Medical Pot”


14 posted on 02/28/2013 10:48:09 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
need a couple of cracks from the Fed’s nightstick so they can learn to ThinkRight.

Funny stuff...

15 posted on 02/28/2013 10:48:36 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GraceG
So they can make Tobacco into gum and Patches, but they cannot make Marijuana into a pill?????

Tobacco should be banned!!

Those using the gum need to pay additional fees and should be registered and licensed. In fact, those who are against this, should be investigated.

16 posted on 02/28/2013 10:52:47 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Can't believe we've never crossed paths before on the WOD threads.

I got run off plenty of those threads. lol, miss A+Bert, tho. Old Atlanta, too.

17 posted on 02/28/2013 10:54:50 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Obadiah

“Why not advocate legalizing the plant-based drugs, cocaine or heroin too?”

Exactly so! That is the question to raise.

Why does anyone having witnessed the history of the last 100 years trust the government to act in good faith for the benefit of the people in matters involving money, especially huge amounts of money?

Legalizing opium and cocaine would be a net benefit to society, even if it is some sort of an imposition on control freaks, and deprives certain interests of their revenues.


18 posted on 02/28/2013 10:56:40 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Obadiah
I have no doubt this guy is thoroughly convinced that marijuana helps his wife, but the science says that there are better alternatives.

Actually, in this specific case, her husband flat-out reported that science does not. And perhaps I'm reading too much into this story, but her husband sounds like the sort of fellow who'd move heaven and earth to help ease his wife's pain and suffering, so if science could offer him a viable alternative, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he'd be on board with it.

19 posted on 02/28/2013 10:57:04 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Obadiah
Medical marijuana is the pathway used to legalize smoking pot, the path of least resistance.

Doesn't the 10th Amendment leave that decision to the states? Do you support honoring the 10th?

20 posted on 02/28/2013 10:58:51 AM PST by Ken H
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To: mgist

Your words ring hollow in the cancer ward. Where is your humanity?


21 posted on 02/28/2013 10:59:48 AM PST by Lexington Green (Keeping it real is keeping you down, Fool.)
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To: Obadiah

Why shouldnt they be legalised? Why should I be told what I can or cant ingest? By your logic all narcotics should be banned. So why not ban alcohol? As a drug that causes loss of control, alcohol is by far the worst. The fact that cocaine is illegal does not make me not do cocaine. If I want to do it, I can easily get y hands on some and do it but I dont want to. In the same way I CHOOSE not to drink alcohol and CHOOSE not to smoke pot. I did try pot when I was completing my bachelors in Chemical Engineering and masters in petrochemicals and this may be a shock to you but I am far more productive than 99% of the country.
You accuse this legislation of being left leaning but it is not, its libertarian which is not left leaning at all. Big government and government control is what the left espouses which is exactly what you are spouting right now. You want the government to dictate what you can and cant ingest.
Its pathetic to think that someone who wants to get high on cocaine would tell himself “oh no but i might go to jail for it”, if he wants to do it he will do it.

Your logic is seriously flawed and scares me to be quite honest. It seems like you would rampantly murder people if it were not illegal to do so. I, and much of the rest of the normal people in this country, on the other hand dont murder, steal, rape etc because its morally wrong not because it is illegal to do so.

If you dont agree that alcohol should be banned then you sir, are a big government hypocrite.


22 posted on 02/28/2013 10:59:49 AM PST by hannibaal
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To: hannibaal

I will also add that if you do agree, then that still makes you a supporter of big governments. How leftie of you.


23 posted on 02/28/2013 11:01:07 AM PST by hannibaal
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To: Lexington Green; Pearls Before Swine; dragnet2; mgist; blueunicorn6; Obadiah; Hemingway's Ghost; ...
Arresting the sick, dying, and lame… Because they are so easy to catch.

A completely valid complaint. As is the complaint that there are billions of dollars wasted on "catching the little guy".


Here's my question though:
When marijuana is 99% legalized and all the "sickly" have a plant or two for personal use growing at home, as well as a week or two worth of fresh marijuana drying, what happens when local druggies and junkies start robbing and hurting and killing the sick and elderly for their one or two plants?
What happens when those sick and elderly decide to start peddling some of their personal use stuff?


Before any of you smarties flame me realize that it already happens for the elderly's pills.
The more pills prescribed to the elderly the more their relatives steal them and the elderly sell the pills themselves.
24 posted on 02/28/2013 11:06:22 AM PST by brent13a
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To: brent13a
When marijuana is 99% legalized and all the "sickly" have a plant or two for personal use growing at home, as well as a week or two worth of fresh marijuana drying, what happens when local druggies and junkies start robbing and hurting and killing the sick and elderly for their one or two plants?

So why isn't that happening in states that have medical marijuana?

25 posted on 02/28/2013 11:11:37 AM PST by Ken H
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To: hannibaal
Why shouldnt they be legalised? Why should I be told what I can or cant ingest?

That's fine. You're 100% correct in a certain sense, certain context.
Then you must accept the fact that once you become a legal owner and ingester of an addictive narcotic then you can easily become a target for someone who can't legally obtain said legal narcotic or perhaps doesn't have the money for said legal narcotic.
If you're willing to put you and you're family's safety at risk so you can be "libertarian" and "do what you want in your own house" then so be it.
Just don't be so naive to think that legalizing (some or all) drugs will cut back on ANY crime.
26 posted on 02/28/2013 11:12:06 AM PST by brent13a
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To: Ken H
So why isn't that happening in states that have medical marijuana?

Because the states that have legalized it (not counting the states that did so a month or two ago) issue the bulk of their legal marijuana cards to 20-35 year olds that have "glaucoma" or "stress illness".
I bet the disparity between the terminally ill having issued cards and those who fake nonsense illness to just get high is ridiculous.
Get back to me to tell me I'm wrong when "the system" works and the bulk of the people who are using legalized marijuana are actually the sick and elderly and not the wasted youth gaming the system.
In fact, go pick up the latest "High Times" and let me know how many profiles they got in their on sickly and terminally ill elderly people compared to pictures of pot dispensaries where all the patrons are 20-35 years old and showing off their marijuana buds liek their diamond necklaces in a gangster rap video.
27 posted on 02/28/2013 11:21:40 AM PST by brent13a
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To: brent13a
When marijuana is 99% legalized and all the "sickly" have a plant or two for personal use growing at home, as well as a week or two worth of fresh marijuana drying, what happens when local druggies and junkies start robbing and hurting and killing the sick and elderly for their one or two plants? What happens when those sick and elderly decide to start peddling some of their personal use stuff?

When everyone has a plant or two, the value will be a few dollars per ounce. Why would anyone bother to rob or peddle?

I know a few people who homebrew beer. They don't live in fear of someone breaking in for their latest batch of ale. If the value is low, there won't be a problem.

However, I agree that there is an intermediate, semi-legal state, such as currently exists in CA, where it's partially restricted, so there's value, and the sorts of things you postulate do happen. The solution is to make it widely legal and forget about it.

28 posted on 02/28/2013 11:39:22 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: brent13a
So if it's not happening now, what makes you think it will happen with legalization? Last time I checked, people were not being targeted by burglars for alcohol in their homes.

Besides, shouldn't those decisions be left to the states to work out, per the Tenth Amendment?

29 posted on 02/28/2013 11:58:03 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Lexington Green

So they can make Tobacco into gum and Patches, but they cannot make Marijuana into a pill?????

This is the MAIN issue I have with “Medical Pot”


30 posted on 02/28/2013 12:02:11 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Obadiah
there are always better medical alternatives to marijuana.

In every single case, for every patient? Prove it.

31 posted on 02/28/2013 12:07:43 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Obadiah

back around the turn of the last century, heroin and cocaine, along with opium, were legal. the streets were not lined with junkies living in boxes...

addiction rates were lower than they are now...

the vaaast majority used it as it was intended, as a pain killer..


32 posted on 02/28/2013 12:14:01 PM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: GraceG
they cannot make Marijuana into a pill?????

The "marijuana pill" is Marinol:

"The poor solubility of Marinol in aqueous solutions and its high first-pass metabolism in the liver account for its poor bioavailability; only 10-20% of an oral dose reaches the systemic circulation. The onset of action is slow; peak plasma concentrations are not attained until two to four hours after dosing. In contrast, inhaled marijuana is rapidly absorbed. In a study comparing THC administered orally, by inhalation, and intravenously, plasma concentration peaked almost instantaneously after both inhalation and intravenous administration" ( http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376&page=203)

Several other cannabinoid chemicals available in marijuana - but absent from Marinol - have also been clinically demonstrated to possess therapeutic value. Clinical data indicate that the interaction of these compounds is likely more effictive than synthetic THC alone.

"for certain patients, such as the terminally ill or those with debilitating symptoms, the long-term risks [of smoking] are not of great concern. [...] it will likely be many years before a safe and effective cannabinoid delivery system, such as an inhaler, is available for patients. In the meantime there are patients with debilitating symptoms for whom smoked marijuana might provide relief. [...] Until a nonsmoked rapid-onset cannabinoid drug delivery system becomes available, we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting." ( http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376&page=7 and page 8)

33 posted on 02/28/2013 12:14:48 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: brent13a; Ken H
When marijuana is 99% legalized and all the "sickly" have a plant or two for personal use growing at home, as well as a week or two worth of fresh marijuana drying, what happens when local druggies and junkies start robbing and hurting and killing the sick and elderly for their one or two plants?

So why isn't that happening in states that have medical marijuana?

Because the states that have legalized it (not counting the states that did so a month or two ago) issue the bulk of their legal marijuana cards to 20-35 year olds that have "glaucoma" or "stress illness".

20-35 year olds are impossible to rob?

34 posted on 02/28/2013 12:18:02 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: AppyPappy
I know it’s illegal but I want it therefore I should be allowed to have it.

A dying woman "wants" her medication - what a libertine!

Why shouldn't any adult have anything they want (and can pay for or make/grow themselves) so long as it, like pot, violates nobody's rights?

35 posted on 02/28/2013 12:23:20 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“Why shouldn’t any adult have anything they want (and can pay for or make/grow themselves) so long as it, like pot, violates nobody’s rights?”

Because it’s against the law. Here’s a novel idea. Change the law.

So she should be allowed to drive drunk as long as she doesn’t hurt anyone while doing it? After all, it’s what she wants to do and it doesn’t violate anyone’s rights. How about run a dog fighting operation? No rights are violated. Aren’t rights only available to individuals and not corporations or the government? Oohhh...that opens a lot of doors. She could steal a government vehicle.


36 posted on 02/28/2013 12:36:18 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Obadiah

That’s one of the things I always bristled at in regards to the medical marijuana argument. Just like the homos argued that all they desired was “civil unions,” but the moment they got it, they started pushing for marriages. It’s the sheer disingenuousness of the argument, using dying cancer patients to make their case, just so they can start up legal dispensaries and use headaches and hang-nails to peddle dope. Hippie pothead scum.


37 posted on 02/28/2013 12:40:35 PM PST by greene66
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

They could make a MJ oil inhaler type device, the Marijuasna smoke is carcinigenic if not more so than regular cigarette smoke.


38 posted on 02/28/2013 12:44:45 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Doesn’t the 10th Amendment leave such issues to the states, in your opinion?


39 posted on 02/28/2013 12:50:50 PM PST by Ken H
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To: AppyPappy
Change the law.

I'm all for it. Do you support changing the law?

40 posted on 02/28/2013 12:52:26 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: GraceG
They could make a MJ oil inhaler type device, the Marijuasna smoke is carcinigenic if not more so than regular cigarette smoke.

Both points already addressed in the post you replied to:

"for certain patients, such as the terminally ill or those with debilitating symptoms, the long-term risks [of smoking] are not of great concern. [...] it will likely be many years before a safe and effective cannabinoid delivery system, such as an inhaler, is available for patients. In the meantime there are patients with debilitating symptoms for whom smoked marijuana might provide relief. [...] Until a nonsmoked rapid-onset cannabinoid drug delivery system becomes available, we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting." ( http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376&page=7 and page 8)

41 posted on 02/28/2013 12:54:44 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Unbeknownst to the Manatee County Sheriff’s Office, the people they were investigating have been leaders in a push to legalize cannabis for medicinal purposes in Florida.

I wouldn’t want to bet on that.


42 posted on 02/28/2013 2:14:46 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: hannibaal
By your logic all narcotics should be banned.

By your logic no narcotics should be controlled or banned.

43 posted on 02/28/2013 2:28:47 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: GraceG
So they can make Tobacco into gum and Patches, but they cannot make Marijuana into a pill????? This is the MAIN issue I have with “Medical Pot”

If tobacco was classified as a schedule 1 narcotic like pot the R&D that made those patches and pills never would have happened.

44 posted on 02/28/2013 2:37:15 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Obadiah
Why not advocate legalizing the plant-based drugs, cocaine or heroin too?<>I'll see that and raise you one...I want to see Walmart and Target competing to sell the highest quality meth for the lowest price.
45 posted on 02/28/2013 2:39:47 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Alaska Wolf; hannibaal
By your logic no narcotics should be controlled or banned.

Can't speak for him but it's pretty much mine.

46 posted on 02/28/2013 2:42:47 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: All

I love to read these WOD threads, they’re almost as sad as the “War Between the States” threads.


47 posted on 02/28/2013 2:54:38 PM PST by orlop9
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To: Alaska Wolf

No I dont think they should be banned. There is nothing as intoxicating as alcohol when it comes to drugs allowing you to do crazy things. If that is allowed in society I dont understand why drugs arent allowed. If people are thinking about their children then they should do a little parenting instead of letting a law decide what they can or cant do. The same rules can be put as the ones currently in place with alcohol, court mandated rehab etc.
I seriously think it is a massive waste of time and taxpayer money to jail thousands of drug abusers.


48 posted on 02/28/2013 3:30:58 PM PST by hannibaal
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To: Orangedog
Can't speak for him but it's pretty much mine.

No licensed pharmacies, pharmacists or regulation of pharmaceutical companies? Just have a buyer beware society?

49 posted on 02/28/2013 3:57:30 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: hannibaal
There is nothing as intoxicating as alcohol when it comes to drugs allowing you to do crazy things

Are you expressing an opinion based on personal experience or do you have a credible source for that claim?

50 posted on 02/28/2013 4:05:04 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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