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Government workers anxious about furloughs, sequestration, effects of bashing (Pity party...)
Washington Post ^ | 2/28/13 | Marc Fisher

Posted on 03/01/2013 9:13:56 AM PST by jimbo123

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For most of their lives, federal workers in Mantua say, having “United States Treasury” atop their paycheck meant security, pride and a sense of mission. Things change: Now it means having to defend yourself against arguments, from strangers and even from your own relatives, that you’re an overpaid and underworked leech.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: fairfaxcounty; federalemployees; federalworkers; sequesterday; sequestration
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Make that an overpaid and underworked Obama-voting leech.
1 posted on 03/01/2013 9:14:01 AM PST by jimbo123
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Look I am a US Govt(DoD) Employee and we have known about all of this for the better part of 6 month. If these Fecal Matter HEADS did plan during this time then SWIVE THEM! I have it planned out until Sept.


2 posted on 03/01/2013 9:18:19 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: jimbo123
A FReeper was voicing his concerns over losing 1 day a week from work. Most replies were  - shall we say - not too sympathetic.

 

Looks like the Sequester Is Going to Happen (Update from Federal Worker)
N/A | 2/27/2013 | Ducttape45
 

Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:26:14 PM by ducttape45

Elections have consequences.

I won't say what military base I work at,but today my office was briefed about the impending sequestration. There were a few interesting points to come out of the meeting.

1. You have to take at least 8 hours a week LWOP (leave without pay). You cannot use sick or annual leave on those days off. You cannot take more then 30 hours a week because then you'd be able to apply for unemployment and the federal government is ensuring we can't utilize that avenue to supplement our income. So they take us but prevent us from taking from them. Smart.....

2. No more credit time, comp time, or overtime. If, in the performance of your job you're responsible for monitoring contractors, those contractors have to leave or you leave them unsupervised. Just imagine the legal entanglements that are soon to arise.

3. We have to take 176 hours, or 22 days, off with no pay (which we will NOT get back for all you who have been saying otherwise) between April 25 and September 22. If the sequester lasts longer and we end up taking more than 30 days of sequester then mandatory RIFs will take place and people will start losing their jobs.

That's the news as I have it now. I'll post more as it comes available. I'm going to bed, I can hardly keep my eyes open but I had to post this for all to see.


 

3 posted on 03/01/2013 9:19:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: jimbo123

Now they know how the rest of us live every day....................


4 posted on 03/01/2013 9:22:37 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but isn’t their benefits, pay and retirement packages better than the commercial sector?

Feel bad that they have to take a cut. However, I still do not understand why they are taking a cut when al that is being cut is future growth.


5 posted on 03/01/2013 9:23:38 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Got a problem? Nothing a drone strike can't fix.)
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To: jimbo123
FACTOIDS TO DEAL WITH IN THIS STORY: Mantua is outside the Beltway; the houses are assessed for tax purposes at far higher than their current market value; this development was built on top of an old hazardous chemical dump site; the people they interviewed are seasoned federal employees with 30 to 40 years on the job, and those jobs require Graduate level degrees and experience.

When I moved to Springfield about 5 miles away almost all the residents of Mantua were Conservative Jews who built their community synagogue nearby so they could walk to prayers on the Sabbath. The hazmat problem was found later and the value of the properties fell into the dumper ~ and it's never recovered. I wouldn't live there on a bet ~ it's not risk free although the remaining deposits are supposed to be capped, or not likely to bubble up unless we have an earthquake ~ we had an earthquake last year!

Didn't you wonder why all the people who live there seem to have East Asian surnames?

BTW, this area gets hit by tornadoes with some regularity, and the durecho last Spring tore out all the large trees.

The big deal is you can commute to your job on public transportation in under an hour ~ or by car in just over an hour ~ but parking will be a problem.

6 posted on 03/01/2013 9:23:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Red Badger
Now they know how the rest of us live every day....................

Yep.

7 posted on 03/01/2013 9:24:46 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jimbo123

This isn’t going to affect Moochele’s vacation plans I hope.


8 posted on 03/01/2013 9:25:11 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Responsibility2nd

A lot of private-sector folks weren’t given the luxury of a pay cut or a one-day-per-week furlough. They were simply shown the door....


9 posted on 03/01/2013 9:26:25 AM PST by kevao (.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
That is what I heard from the Govies at the base where I am a contractor.

I understand that the Union Pukes are really up in arms because they cannot take all of the days off together so they can collect unemployment. Boo...Friggin'...Hoo!

10 posted on 03/01/2013 9:26:49 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: UB355
This isn’t going to affect Moochele’s vacation plans I hope.

Spring Break is 3 weeks away...


11 posted on 03/01/2013 9:28:39 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Lancey Howard

you live on top an old toxic waste dump ~ real smart ~ why do you still live there?


12 posted on 03/01/2013 9:29:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Red Badger
Now they know how the rest of us live every day....................

Exactly. Eff them if they can find a way to deal with it.
13 posted on 03/01/2013 9:31:13 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: kevao
So, other than the FLSA why didn't employers simply whack workers one day a week so they could keep more employees employed?

The federales, except for USPS, are not covered by all the provisions of FLSA ~ it's a different world.

14 posted on 03/01/2013 9:32:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123

Mooooshell does not live in Mantua ~ too many East Asians for her kind of taste.


15 posted on 03/01/2013 9:33:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123

I just wonder who issued the talking points memo to Federal employees, telling them to fan out onto the internet to post about “take home pay” when attempting to sway us private sector yahoos? Go back through the agitprop posted by Federal employees on FR alone, it’s uncanny, practically lockstep. You’d get the impression that $24,000 a year is their gross salary instead of their net. Then, there’s “per pay period,” another attempt to mislead. “Per week” is actually easier to type and has the benefit of accuracy.


16 posted on 03/01/2013 9:34:32 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: muawiyah

17 posted on 03/01/2013 9:36:13 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jimbo123

From the article: The professor has already cut back in anticipation of the forthcoming budget slashing: He told a carpenter who was going to build bookshelves in the living room that the $5,000 job will have to be put off, and he told his doggie day care provider that he’ll have to go without that service when the furloughs kick in.


18 posted on 03/01/2013 9:37:59 AM PST by j. earl carter
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To: jimbo123

But I bet all the welfare and food stamps go out on time.
I do feel bad for the people who will be short pay if they are working but next time they may just need to pay a little more attention to who they are voting for.

The work challenged morons all need their checks cut off for a few days. It may instigate some of them into getting a job.


19 posted on 03/01/2013 9:39:10 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: muawiyah
So, other than the FLSA why didn't employers simply whack workers one day a week so they could keep more employees employed?

Couldn't afford to? Bankruptcy? Two things Fed employees never have to face. So you are correct in that "it's a different world."

20 posted on 03/01/2013 9:39:47 AM PST by kevao (.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I'm sure the talking points to the government workers also say:

Don't complain about Michelle Obama's multi-million dollar spring break vacation in 3 weeks, or you're toast!
21 posted on 03/01/2013 9:40:26 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: RegulatorCountry
federales get paid bi-weekly, and within living memory they were paid monthly, or most strangely, bi-monthly!.

Why would they say weekly?

22 posted on 03/01/2013 9:40:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lancey Howard

time to move lancey ~ life is too short to live in a toxic waste dump ~ seriously.


23 posted on 03/01/2013 9:42:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123
For most of their lives, federal workers in Mantua say, having “United States Treasury” atop their paycheck meant security

Well golly! Looks like these federal workers are now facing what pretty much every other American has been facing since, oh, about 1979. You can't go to work in a make-work job that overpays you day in and day out with the security of knowing the gravy train will continue anymore.

The truly sad part is that none of these workers are going to get laid off. $85 billion out of $3.7 trillion is a drop in the bucket and unless Obama intentionally inflicts pain, no one will notice it.

24 posted on 03/01/2013 9:42:20 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: jimbo123

It may surprise you to know there are many government employees who are conservative and vote that way.

Not all are lockstep, glassy-eyed liberals.


25 posted on 03/01/2013 9:42:20 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: jimbo123

It may surprise you to know there are many government employees who are conservative and vote that way.

Not all are lockstep, glassy-eyed liberals.


26 posted on 03/01/2013 9:43:09 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: j. earl carter

‘professor’ ~ meaning ‘one who has a doctorate’ ~ and yours is in what field? (i do hope you aren’t among those who disparage education like those black people in the ghetto who call it ‘acting white’)


27 posted on 03/01/2013 9:43:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123

In the last few years the private sector has experienced a lot of layoffs, this results in the remaining salary workers to take on more responsibilities for no additional pay, or with pay cuts. Now the public employees, that are paid by the private sector, is complaining that they will get a pay cut but will have their work hours lowered.

Every day seems like bizarro world.


28 posted on 03/01/2013 9:45:35 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: kevao
federal employees face hot and cold running RIFs all the time. I even went through total destruction and abolition of the federal agency I worked for at the time. My unemployment compensation was going to be $15 per bi-weekly period.

Why do you folks imagine federal employment is without ordinary travail?

29 posted on 03/01/2013 9:46:24 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
The patent office is engaged in a constitutionally required federal government function ~ bet you missed that part.

Now, tell us, would you rather have a meaningless patent office or one that works?

30 posted on 03/01/2013 9:48:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
If it means spending $3.7 trillion a year and borrowing over a trillion of it, I'd rather have a meaningless patent office. Your question is a false choice. We can easily cut $85 billion. They are not zeroing out the patent office. If Obama did the cuts in a reasonable way, no one would feel anything other than a minor inconvenience.
31 posted on 03/01/2013 9:50:57 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: muawiyah
Why do you folks imagine federal employment is without ordinary travail?

Perhaps because during the past four years, multiple *millions* of private-sector jobs have been lost, while at the same time Fedzilla has *added* 130,000 to its employment rolls.

If you're trying to convince us that Fed employees face anywhere near the kind of job insecurity that we do out here, you'll have to do a lot better than that.

32 posted on 03/01/2013 9:53:46 AM PST by kevao (.)
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To: kevao

130,000 jobs out of several million ain’t no thang ~ at the same time federal employment has been pretty close to the same number since 1964 ~ take a look sometime.


33 posted on 03/01/2013 9:56:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: kevao

hmm ~ trying to recall a year since 1973 when I didn’t face a RIF or reorganization of some kind ~ we were pretty hot on productivity ~ and kept employment numbers within sight of half a million while production increased 700% ~


34 posted on 03/01/2013 9:58:32 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123

My husband is a DOD employee, after spending 30 years in the Marine Corps. We are conservatives and 90 percent of his coworkers are conservative, so eff you too with your stupid remarks.


35 posted on 03/01/2013 9:59:09 AM PST by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

nobody you now will feel anything anyway. in my neighborhood we’ll probably have half a dozen bankruptcies and as the HOA president I’ll have some serious paper work to do when that happens.


36 posted on 03/01/2013 9:59:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Cutting $85 billion from a $3.7 trillion budget does not have to result in what you describe unless Obama wants it to. I am not trying to belittle your concerns. But they will only happen if Obama wants them to happen to make a political point. We can cut 2% or 3% from the federal budget without mass layoffs.


37 posted on 03/01/2013 10:03:17 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

You lump DOD in with all Federales. DOD is the backbone of defense. Only DOD is getting cut. It’s not across the board.

This is the dumbest thing they could do. The military is an essential service. You can’t just lay off and rehire like in the civilian world.


38 posted on 03/01/2013 10:03:58 AM PST by USAF80
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
so eff you too with your stupid remarks.

I pay your husband's salary. You should be thanking me instead of cursing me.
39 posted on 03/01/2013 10:09:05 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Someone correct me if I am wrong here, but isn’t their benefits, pay and retirement packages better than the commercial sector?

Pay and bennies can be better or worse than in the private sector. It all depends on the job and location. You have to pay for health, insurance, retirement, etc, just like any other job. They use the same companies as any one else, Blue Cross, Humana, Delta etc. My brother has better health insurance plans on his job.

The only benefit I see is job security. If you have a technical position you can always make more on the outside.

40 posted on 03/01/2013 10:09:29 AM PST by USAF80
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
I am with you. It is sad to see so many dumbarses on FR siding with the destruction of the most conservative workforce there is - the military, Federal DOD workers, and DOD contractors. These are the areas that will be the most seriously affected. Why hurt our military when there are so many other Federal Gov. non-military areas that need to be cut. Hurting our military should only be the arena of the leftist scum in this country.
41 posted on 03/01/2013 10:10:22 AM PST by ohioman
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To: USAF80

I agree with you that we need to adequately fund our Defense Department and that you can’t cut and rehire DoD workers like you can other workers. But we have a real problem with spending. The Democrats are not agreeing to 3% cuts in other departments. They have refused to engage on entitlement reform. Their only answer is a massive tax hike that will cripple the economy. $1 trillion + deficits each year are a grave national threat that has to be dealt with. With the Democrats in power and the media covering for them, there is no way to cut $85 billion with sensible entitlement reforms and cuts in other areas. So we are left with this. It is better that continuing on the way we have been going.


42 posted on 03/01/2013 10:10:51 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
You could cut over 90% of the federal budget and not touch a single employee.

That, BTW, is the problem ~ it is recurring. We have presidents and their enablers who imagine that they can play with the bureaucrats 10 minutes and the public will think they've done something useful or meaningful.

I simply don't want any Freepers to be deluded by the smoke and mirrors.

43 posted on 03/01/2013 10:11:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123

Her husband spent 30 years in the USMC. You should be thanking him dumbass!!


44 posted on 03/01/2013 10:13:40 AM PST by ohioman
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To: jimbo123

I will be happy to send you your 50 cents back that you contributed to my husband’s pay if you would like.


45 posted on 03/01/2013 10:14:04 AM PST by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: kevao

Lets stick to who is getting cut hours. DOD, not all federal workers. DOD damn sure did not add those 130K jobs.


46 posted on 03/01/2013 10:14:04 AM PST by USAF80
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To: RegulatorCountry
" Then, there’s “per pay period,” another attempt to mislead. “Per week” is actually easier to type and has the benefit of accuracy."

Well, not exactly. "Pay period" is more accurate. There are 26 pay periods per year, in two week intervals, when GS employees are paid. So "pay week" is not correct.

47 posted on 03/01/2013 10:16:27 AM PST by BlueLancer ("Oh, man, that's a lot of Indians!" [LTC George A. Custer, 1876, near the Little Bighorn Valley])
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids

I’ve paid many times your husband’s salary in taxes over my long career. Your attitude is typical of people who rely on my taxes for their income.


48 posted on 03/01/2013 10:18:42 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

We sent them thousands of ideas of where to cut costs. They picked one or two. Cutting hours looks good on paper and is the easiest to implement.

Actually cutting costs takes some brains and balls which no one above the local management level seems to have. Just look at how much was wasted buy green fuel for the Navy.


49 posted on 03/01/2013 10:21:13 AM PST by USAF80
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To: ohioman

Yes, and they need to turn their attention to the people who seem to be exempt from this sequester. Why is it that the President and his staff or Congress and their staff are not part of this?

I’m not going to complain about this whole thing. We have been preparing for a rainy day for a long time, so we will be just fine.


50 posted on 03/01/2013 10:21:49 AM PST by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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