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U.S. Navy brings back stunning WWI era 'Dazzle' ship camouflage
U.S Naval Institute ^ | 3/1/13 | U.S. Naval Institute

Posted on 03/01/2013 10:59:41 AM PST by Saint X

Friday’s deployment of USS Freedom (LCS 1) will revive a tradition of camouflaging warships. Outside of smaller patrol boats, the U.S. largely abandoned elaborate color schemes and stuck with haze gray.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.usni.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: camouflage; navy; ships
Great photos of the classic zebra striped and abstract patterns on old ships
1 posted on 03/01/2013 10:59:47 AM PST by Saint X
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To: Saint X

I thought one of the big selling points for these new ships was reduced crew size. Now every vessel will need an onboard scenic designer.


2 posted on 03/01/2013 11:08:18 AM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Saint X

This is what they need:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wlLqdFsMnCE

BAE’s Adaptive Camouflage


3 posted on 03/01/2013 11:08:47 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Saint X
That looks awesome.

As an old ship modeler, I can confirm that those patterns are beastly hard to paint, especially on the smaller scales. But they make amazing conversation peices when finished.

4 posted on 03/01/2013 11:12:23 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Saint X

The photos look really interesting. Some seem to make it difficult to say which way the ship is pointing through tricks of perspective, others to perhaps make the ship appear to be some smaller type of craft?


5 posted on 03/01/2013 11:13:26 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Saint X

They aren’t actually bringing back the dazzle camoflage.

Dazzle/zebra was not intended to hide the ship, but rather to confuse the viewers ability to judge aspect, which was required for gunnery and torpedo solutions.

The modern paint job probably won’t have any meaningful effect, except in very low light or obscuration situations.


6 posted on 03/01/2013 11:16:57 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Saint X

In these days of radar, sonar, infrared tracking, night vision equipment, electronic signal detection, and all the rest why is the Navy using camouflage for their ships? Do the honestly think that someone who really wants to target it will be thrown off by the paint scheme?


7 posted on 03/01/2013 11:17:48 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: ArmstedFragg

Why do you think they discontinued Don’t Ask Don’t Tell?...They want their ships to look FABULOUS!.........


8 posted on 03/01/2013 11:18:44 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Saint X

I was stationed at a USAF base in West Germany in the late 70’s - early 80’s. I recall the AF experimenting with a form of dazzle camouflage on the taxiways in front of the hardened aircraft shelters. Geometric shapes were painted onto the taxiways, mostly triangles, in the hope that an attacking pilot, flying very low at high speeds, may be distracted by the patterns and drop his bombs on the pavement rather than the shelter. Don’t know if it ever would have worked.


9 posted on 03/01/2013 11:19:33 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Saint X

They should plaster sponsor’s logos all over them like NASCAR. It would defray expenses. ;)


10 posted on 03/01/2013 11:19:51 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Saint X
Due to sequester, aircraft carriers will look more like this:


11 posted on 03/01/2013 11:28:03 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Saint X

12 posted on 03/01/2013 11:29:06 AM PST by RhoTheta ("We're from the Government, and we're here to help you ... NOT")
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To: Saint X
U.S.S. Freedom =

Too Small to stand up to bigger ships, too large to be a deterrent to the smaller ones, yet still not big enough for long endurance missions.

U.S. Navy FAIL!!!


13 posted on 03/01/2013 11:30:43 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: DoodleDawg; Saint X; CPOSharky; patton; neverdem; SunkenCiv

In these days of radar, sonar, infrared tracking, night vision equipment, electronic signal detection, and all the rest why is the Navy using camouflage for their ships? Do the honestly think that someone who really wants to target it will be thrown off by the paint scheme?

To the contrary! Visually, it is very, very easy to see those high-contrast white-deckhouses on cargo ships many miles off through a periscope. Same from a low-flying aircraft. Light “haze grey” with NO contrasting colors - they need to paint out the black smokestacks too! - is very valuable in protecting a ship against submarine attack.

Now, whether these colors will work against subs is unknown. Without looking a through a periscope, and I doubt ANY surface or air qualified officer has EVER looked through a scope once commissioned, the targets have no idea how vulnerable they are.

What works against a periscope, works against a low-waterline pirate or torpedo/missile boar just as well.


14 posted on 03/01/2013 11:31:00 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Didn't the Serbs use something like this during Clintons war?
15 posted on 03/01/2013 11:33:30 AM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: Saint X

16 posted on 03/01/2013 11:36:50 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
To the contrary! Visually, it is very, very easy to see those high-contrast white-deckhouses on cargo ships many miles off through a periscope. Same from a low-flying aircraft. Light “haze grey” with NO contrasting colors - they need to paint out the black smokestacks too! - is very valuable in protecting a ship against submarine attack.

If all you have is your periscope. But the submarine sonar will track the ship miles before it gets into visual range and can target it without even using visual identification.

17 posted on 03/01/2013 11:37:03 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: BCW
Uncle Si has cammo sorted out

That's all you need, jack !

18 posted on 03/01/2013 11:37:55 AM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
In these days of radar, sonar, infrared tracking, night vision equipment, electronic signal detection, and all the rest why is the Navy using camouflage for their ships?

I have the same curiousity about sailors I see around here (Bremerton area) wearing blue and gray cammo. On land, I can't imagine they are stealthy. And at sea, with modern electronics, what difference does it make?

19 posted on 03/01/2013 11:41:06 AM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: Saint X

They can paint the LCS’s however they want I still won’t like them. Better to buy Arleigh Burkes, something with weapons. This thing is fast in shallow water, that’s it.


20 posted on 03/01/2013 11:42:13 AM PST by ryan71
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
So you're basically saying that the 'dazzle type' paint scheme will confuse wave level optical perception if we paint our ships to look like the USS Cole post attack.

All that money and equipment training wasted when all we really needed was paint and some gay decorators and florists doing their thing.

21 posted on 03/01/2013 11:48:46 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: DoodleDawg

It’s purely for show now rather than disguise. The new Littoral Combat Ships are much-maligned, so this is probably a good PR stunt to generate a bit of excitement.


22 posted on 03/01/2013 11:49:43 AM PST by Saint X
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To: Saint X

Uh...I see!


23 posted on 03/01/2013 11:49:52 AM PST by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: Saint X

With the advent of radar camouflage lost much of its usefulness. Now stealth, that’s where it’s at!


24 posted on 03/01/2013 11:50:24 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Saint X

Where did this money come from?


25 posted on 03/01/2013 11:52:37 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Saint X

Very interesting pictures-Thanks!


26 posted on 03/01/2013 12:19:07 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Covenantor

Er,uhm, ah ... no.

I’m saying the exact opposite.


27 posted on 03/01/2013 12:20:27 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: DoodleDawg

You might think so.

But, of two merchants and a destroyer and a carrier and an amphib, all 20 miles off but close to each other near the shore, how do you aim a torpedo at the right target?


28 posted on 03/01/2013 12:24:06 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Saint X

I think this one is the best design.

29 posted on 03/01/2013 12:47:42 PM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Now every vessel will need an onboard scenic designer.

Why not? According to out Drill Instructors, the navy has plenty of interior decorators.......
J/K

30 posted on 03/01/2013 1:45:13 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: BubbaBasher

Hmmm...Didn’t realize that there were any battle wagons remaining in the Navy’s inventory...Same view the chicoms had when the Missouri sat off shore and unloaded salvo after salvo...


31 posted on 03/01/2013 1:55:42 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: C210N

Before the War, a US submarine—with contaminated fuel—”set-sail” to return to its Hawaiian base.


32 posted on 03/01/2013 3:15:07 PM PST by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: Saint X

The USS California shown bombarding Guam in 1944 is the most effective one of the bunch, historic or modern. It could be a small rocky island for all you could tell at a glance with the naked eye.

I suspect this is intended to help foil lower-tech terrorist attacks by small cells using speedboats. It serves no other purpose that I can see, other than jumping on the camo fashion bandwagon.


33 posted on 03/01/2013 3:38:30 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Saint X

Anybody know what the post-war studies showed for effectiveness of those paint schemes? Seems logical to me that it would’ve been effective against visual targeting by subs or small craft. But was there any data to prove it?


34 posted on 03/01/2013 3:54:08 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Robert A. Cook, PE.


35 posted on 03/01/2013 4:05:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Now every vessel will need an onboard scenic designer.

Yeah, well Ubama's military should be getting plenty of those prancing up the gangplank.

36 posted on 03/01/2013 4:08:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
But, of two merchants and a destroyer and a carrier and an amphib, all 20 miles off but close to each other near the shore, how do you aim a torpedo at the right target?

Because the acoustic signature of a large, single screw merchantman is different than that of a large, twin screwed warship which is, in turn, different from a small twin screwed warship. Any sonar man worth his salt can identify targets by the noise they're putting out alone and target the torpedo accordingly.

37 posted on 03/02/2013 5:39:03 AM PST by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

The details of why your conclusion - although on the surface seems right - is wrong are classified.


38 posted on 03/02/2013 12:03:29 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssD9crDcoYg

They need to see where to land when going VFR. Nice bird.


39 posted on 03/02/2013 12:23:16 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Saint X

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=FGykzxgS1TE

LCS-2


40 posted on 03/02/2013 12:30:46 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The details of why your conclusion - although on the surface seems right - is wrong are classified.

How convenient.

41 posted on 03/03/2013 10:27:47 AM PST by 0.E.O
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To: SampleMan
The modern paint job probably won’t have any meaningful effect...

The real reason for this paint job-note the unattractive exhaust stains in the non-camouflaged image and compare this to where the darkest patches happen to be in camouflaged image.

If the camouflage was truly effective, all out surface ships would be painted in the same pattern.

42 posted on 03/14/2013 9:48:02 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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