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Why Public Schools Should Teach the Bible
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/01/2013 | ROMA DOWNEY AND MARK BURNETT

Posted on 03/01/2013 2:05:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Have you ever sensed in your own life that "the handwriting was on the wall"? Or encouraged a loved one to walk "the straight and narrow"?

Have you ever laughed at something that came "out of the mouths of babes"? Or gone "the extra mile" for an opportunity that might vanish "in the twinkling of an eye"?

If you have, then you've been thinking of the Bible.

These phrases are just "a drop in the bucket" (another biblical phrase) of the many things we say and do every day that have their origins in the most read, most influential book of all time. The Bible has affected the world for centuries in innumerable ways, including art, literature, philosophy, government, philanthropy, education, social justice and humanitarianism. One would think that a text of such significance would be taught regularly in schools. Not so. That is because of the "stumbling block" (the Bible again) that is posed by the powers that be in America.

It's time to change that, for the sake of the nation's children. It's time to encourage, perhaps even mandate, the teaching of the Bible in public schools as a primary document of Western civilization.

We know firsthand of its educational value, having grown up in Europe—Mark in England, Roma in Ireland—where Bible teaching was viewed as foundational to a well-rounded education. Now that we are naturalized U.S. citizens, we want to encourage public schools in America to give young people the same opportunity.

This is one of the reasons we created "The Bible," a 10-part miniseries premiering March 3 on the History Channel that dramatizes key stories from Scriptures. It will encourage audiences around the world to open or reopen Bibles to understand and enjoy these stories.

Without the Bible, Shakespeare would read differently

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: bible; publicschools

1 posted on 03/01/2013 2:05:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a fan of the Great Books approach to education.

And the greatest of the Great Books is the Bible.


2 posted on 03/01/2013 2:12:55 PM PST by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

In ‘61, I went to school in a Bronx school (8th grade), everyday we met in the auditorium and started the day with a prayer and a Bible reading (Old Testament, the prayer was always something like “keep everyone safe, help them to be the best they came be”).


3 posted on 03/01/2013 2:22:48 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Phht. Everyone knows the 1st Amendment prohibits the exposure of our kids to the Bible in public schools.
4 posted on 03/01/2013 2:23:15 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie

The article anticipated the above argument with the following paragraphs:

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Teaching the Bible is of course a touchy subject. One can’t broach it without someone barking “separation of church and state” and “forcing religion down my throat.”

Yet the Supreme Court has said it’s perfectly OK for schools to do so, ruling in 1963 (Abington School District v. Schempp) that “the Bible is worthy of study for its literary and historic qualities. Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively as a part of a secular (public school) program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment.”

The Supreme Court understood that we’re not talking about religion here, and certainly not about politics. We’re talking about knowledge. The foundations of knowledge of the ancient world—which informs the understanding of the modern world—are biblical in origin. Teddy Roosevelt, the 26th president known more as a cigar-chomping Rough Rider than a hymn-signing Bible-thumper, once said: “A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education.”


5 posted on 03/01/2013 2:25:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Post the Big Ten Commandments on school grounds and see what happens.


6 posted on 03/01/2013 2:30:13 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: svcw

Believe it or not but my 3 kids all studied the Bible in their public school. They graduated in ‘89,’90 and ‘93. I’ll shock you a little more....this was in Massachusetts!


7 posted on 03/01/2013 2:31:44 PM PST by surrey
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To: Jacquerie

Which version, the Jewish, the Catholic or the Protestant? Just via how you wish to enumerate the ten Commandments is making a choice as to one particular religious tradition over others.

For myself I suspect that if anyone would know the proper enumeration it would be the Jewish people; but much like the sabbath- theology finds itself changed for political reasons.


8 posted on 03/01/2013 2:34:07 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: surrey

That is impressive and surprising. With the vast majority of people so wrapped up in an imaginary right to not be offended, it takes a brave Board of Education to risk touching a course that involves the Bible.


9 posted on 03/01/2013 2:38:03 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: surrey

RE: I’ll shock you a little more....this was in Massachusetts!

It’s because someone forgot to inform the ACLU. :)


10 posted on 03/01/2013 2:38:36 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: surrey

and now that state will force girls to share bathrooms, lockers and maybe showers with so-called “tranny” boys.

and punish them if they complain.

jeesh


11 posted on 03/01/2013 2:40:53 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dismantle the public school system. It will always be a vehicle for propaganda.


12 posted on 03/01/2013 2:43:28 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: allmendream

Yeah, early America was very confused about which bible they were using to teach with, especially whether they were using a Christian bible or should be teaching Judaism.


13 posted on 03/01/2013 2:44:02 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's time to encourage, perhaps even mandate, the teaching of the Bible in public schools

All schools, whether public or private, should be required to teach the messages and lessons of the Bible. It is child abuse to neglect the teaching of these basic truths.

14 posted on 03/01/2013 2:47:09 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Jacquerie

Three of my grandsons are now in the same school system and I have to say I’m even more impressed with the education that they’re getting. Back in November, on Veteran’d Day, my oldest grandson’s school had an assembly to thank the veterans. They had men and women from all the various services get up and tell their stories. The kids erupted in applause and cheers and wrote really heartwarming essays about patriotism. These people were treated like rock stars.
When I see and hear this I feel that all is not lost.


15 posted on 03/01/2013 3:00:54 PM PST by surrey
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To: SeekAndFind

“It’s time to encourage, perhaps even mandate, the teaching of the Bible in public schools”
Uh, no. Bad, bad idea. They will do it the same way they teach sex education, drawing from the deepest depths of depravity and calling this normal. Allow them to teach the Bible, and they will turn your children into atheists using scripture. If you want your children to know the lessons of scripture, teach them yourself. Hopefully by example.


16 posted on 03/01/2013 3:10:53 PM PST by STYRO (War sucks. Living in slavery sucks even worse.)
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To: ansel12

So the founding fathers are the final word on theology and the proper enumeration of the ten commandments?


17 posted on 03/01/2013 4:20:03 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

I never mentioned the founding fathers, but I don’t think that Americans used to be confused about teaching America’s children Judaism instead of Christianity.


18 posted on 03/01/2013 4:27:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Jewish Americans taught their children Judaism and there was little confusion that the government should be impartial in such things.


19 posted on 03/01/2013 4:57:43 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: marron
And the greatest of the Great Books is the Bible.

Indeed!



20 posted on 03/01/2013 4:58:40 PM PST by rdb3 (We're all going to get what only some of us deserve...)
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To: allmendream
Which version, the Jewish, the Catholic or the Protestant?

If the desire is to teach it as literature, I'd think the King James Version, because of the beautiful language.

21 posted on 03/01/2013 5:08:15 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: allmendream

Actually, early America had no confusion about which bible to use in education.


22 posted on 03/01/2013 5:16:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: SuziQ

IIRC the Bible of gay King John doesn’t enumerate the ten commandments. It has them in order, as all versions do, but it doesn’t say where the numbers go.


23 posted on 03/01/2013 5:19:22 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: ansel12

The Bible of a homosexual English King? It was in no way universally used or the official version of these United States.


24 posted on 03/01/2013 5:22:45 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

LOL, It is as “official” a bible as a bible can be in the United States, it has always been the bible of the American people.


25 posted on 03/01/2013 5:25:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

Not the American people who were Jewish, Catholic, not of English descent, Eastern Orthodox, etc.


26 posted on 03/01/2013 5:33:05 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

No, just the 99% who were Protestant Christians, There is not, and never has been any reason for any sane person to think that there was confusion about whether America would use a Christian bible or a Jewish bible in it’s schools, like you expressed.

You seem to just be trolling on this thread.

Go for a walk and maybe your angry, nasty little attitude will go away for a few hours.


27 posted on 03/01/2013 5:39:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ansel12

So majority determines what religion is to be given State sanction in this Republic? At a national, state or municipal level? Is the Book of Mormon to be taught in Utah? The Quran in Deerborne Michigan?


28 posted on 03/01/2013 5:47:53 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Bible is the sacred text of Western Civilization. That means it is an integral part of all its institutions and an eradicable part of its national languages and cultures.
29 posted on 03/01/2013 6:11:50 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: allmendream

That is the way it was in New England in 1789.


30 posted on 03/01/2013 6:15:46 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, the church should be teaching kids everything.
Public schools should be unnecessary.

Yep.


31 posted on 03/01/2013 6:25:51 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: SeekAndFind

I guarantee this miniseries will disappoint .
I will not be watching it. I know better.
It would be more effective to read “Cliff notes”
to understand the tax code or Obamacare.


32 posted on 03/01/2013 6:36:25 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said, the constitutional government we have established will only work for a moral, religious people.


33 posted on 03/01/2013 6:41:34 PM PST by True Grit
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To: True Grit

That would be John Adams

See here:

http://www.johnadamscenter.com/home/why-john-adams/

EXACT QUOTE:

We have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.


34 posted on 03/01/2013 7:03:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: right way right

The King James Bible has 788,280 words.

See here:

http://www.biblebelievers.com/believers-org/kjv-stats.html

Our Tax Code has nearly 4 Million words. See here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2013/01/10/tax-code-hits-nearly-4-million-words-taxpayer-advocate-calls-it-too-complicated/


35 posted on 03/01/2013 7:09:17 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Have public school teachers to teach the Bible? The government will then pervert another important institution with its twisted teachings. I can just imagine the curriculum.


36 posted on 03/01/2013 7:10:55 PM PST by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: allmendream
Which version, the Jewish, the Catholic or the Protestant?

Or the Christian Scientist or the Mormon or the Islamics?

37 posted on 03/01/2013 7:52:03 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping for Later


38 posted on 03/01/2013 7:53:59 PM PST by wintertime
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To: RobbyS
The Bible is the sacred text of Western Civilization. That means it is an integral part of all its institutions and an eradicable part of its national languages and cultures.

In another thread, I know we have a divergent opinion on the matter of Barbara Jordan, who served in Congress from Texas back in the 1970s.

But concerning your statement here, there is no daylight whatsoever between us. All can add is that this was very said and it's the undeniable truth. Amen, FRiend!

39 posted on 03/01/2013 7:59:21 PM PST by re_nortex
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To: Graybeard58

Everyone needs to read the article, this is not about teaching religion, don’t let a troll hijack the thread.


40 posted on 03/01/2013 9:18:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: SeekAndFind
I graduated HS from a Christian sch. in PA in 1979. Thank God I went there (and that my father knew the headmaster from their own HS days [dad (RIP) graduated in 1955]).

ff

41 posted on 03/02/2013 5:42:08 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: trisham
Bingo!!

They'd end up teaching the Bible as well as they teach, reading, writing and arithmetic. Badly, at best. But everyone will know how to put on condoms, that America is evil, and that lesbian anarchist lumberjacks built America.

42 posted on 03/02/2013 7:23:53 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: SeekAndFind

To put it simply, the Bible is probably the single most influential book in Western culture. If you don’t understand it, your understanding of the culture in which you live is inadequate.


43 posted on 03/02/2013 10:05:32 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As if religious belief violates civil liberty?


44 posted on 03/03/2013 2:51:04 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
No education can be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral.

Government schools never were, are not now, and never can be religiously neutral.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing K-12 education. Work toward complete separation of school and state.

At their inception, our nation's system of K-12 socialist-entitlement and single-payer schooling was generically lukewarm in its Protestant worldview. It became progressively secular and by the 1960s was utterly godless. None of it from the beginning was, or is, religiously neutral in content or consequences.

Today, any child who cooperates in the government's godless classroom **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to participate. How could it be otherwise? How can this be religiously neutral? ( Answer: It isn't!) And...They risk learning that privately held religious belief is to be thrown in the trash can at the door to their public life.

45 posted on 03/03/2013 2:57:38 PM PST by wintertime
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To: SeekAndFind
we want to encourage public schools in America to give young people the same opportunity.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have a better idea. Abolish our nation's socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and compulsory K-12 schools! Privatize all of it!

Do that and we will see the blossoming of Western Civilization.

46 posted on 03/03/2013 3:01:37 PM PST by wintertime
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