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Keystone pipeline passes environmental review – ‘little impact on climate’ – ecos outraged
Watts Up With That? ^ | March 1, 2013 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 03/01/2013 9:18:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

From Tom Nelson: Keystone pipeline passes environmental review: It’s the [CO2-induced] end of the world as the Sierra Club knows it, and I feel fine

Keystone XL pipeline would have little impact on climate change, State Department analysis says – The Washington Post

The State Department released a draft environmental impact assessment of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline Friday afternoon, suggesting the project would have little impact on climate change.

Live Blogging the Keystone XL Environmental Assessment Release | DeSmogBlog

Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune just released the following reaction in a press release just sent out:

“The Sierra Club is outraged by the State Department’s deeply flawed analysis today and what can only be interpreted as lip service to one of the greatest threats to our children’s future: climate disruption…”

From Junkscience:

Read the full Keystone EIS

Posted on March 1, 2013 by

It’s is driving the enviros crazy this afternoon.

Keystone XL EIS. (PDF)

Mckibben_twit_keystonesEIS


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canadatarsands; climatechange; energu; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; keystonepipeline; keystonexl
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1 posted on 03/01/2013 9:18:25 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; Carry_Okie; blam; Lorianne; Twotone; bigbob; NormsRevenge; ...

Take that you Ecoidiots....


2 posted on 03/01/2013 9:20:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes, one more pipeline would destroy the world.


3 posted on 03/01/2013 9:30:44 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Ernest.


4 posted on 03/01/2013 9:33:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: TigersEye
Nice map.

California needs more pipelines.

5 posted on 03/01/2013 9:41:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Keystone, or any other oil pipeline, will never be built as long as Obama is President.


6 posted on 03/01/2013 9:43:19 PM PST by allendale
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7 posted on 03/01/2013 9:43:43 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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GlynnMhor says:

March 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm

Indeed, Alvin, the oil sands operations are cleaning up one of the world’s biggest oil spills. The stuff has been oozing into the Athabaska River for millenia before even the indians immigrated to the area.

8 posted on 03/01/2013 9:45:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: allendale

The Unions want the Jobs....and they are bigger funders of the Democratic party than the Enviros....I think.


9 posted on 03/01/2013 9:47:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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10 posted on 03/01/2013 9:49:44 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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Doug Proctor says:

March 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm

“Without access to major U.S. export terminals from Keystone XL and other routes, tar sands production will be substantially slowed.””

So says the National Wildlife fella. “Slowed”, does not mean stopped.

The “line in the sand” is symbolic, not real. North Dakota is railcaring 53% of its 803,000 bopd already, but expects/hopes to have another 200,000 bopd on top of that in two years, and 400,000 more within 7. Even if those numbers are aggressive, within the next few years another 250,000 bopd will probably be producing and needing a market. This oil, not just the Canadian sourced (owned by Exxon-Mobil et al) is being moved one way or another to refineries, whether on the Gulf Coast or in New England. And if in New England, the lack of adequate capacity may mean that a lot is then transshipped down the American coastline to Texas.

Railroads are expensive on an operating basis, but since they exist already, cheap on a new capital project basis. Still, the price differential and the long-term amortization of a pipeline makes economic sense to have the pipeline, period, and so the sooner the better: you don’t want to pay for two system, in effect, if you first pay a railroad premium and discount, and then pay for a pipeline transport fee but no discount.

For some reason 650,000 or more bopd by train through the populated areas of the northern United States, and likely along the New England coastline,does not disturb the eco-green: perhaps they WANT an oil disaster in their own backyard.

Strong, Hansen and others have waxed about the need for a real disaster to motivate the American people. Is this what the WWF and the Sierra Club and McKibben, Suzuki and Gore and all the others really want, an environmental disaster that they can use to decarbonize/deindustrialize all those parts of society that do not serve their personal interests (since they are not giving up their SUVs, their air travel or their fancy houses by the sea)?

I wouldn’t be surprised: their words are out there already. Maybe this is just part of the set-up.

11 posted on 03/01/2013 9:56:09 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Obama never intended to stop the pipeline. The idea was to mollify the enviros until Canada could get the oil flowing from the west coast to China, through Vancouver, BC. It’s happening now and is planned to increase exponentially in the next few years, with the aid of Warren Buffett’s rail roads.

Right now, there is already oil flowing from the Bakken field in the Dakotas to the Gulf, but Obama stopped the 12 inches or so that would have allowed the oil to flow from Canada. It doesn’t matter so much to Canada because they already had the trains and the port in Vancouver. Canada is happy. They could even send the oil across the border to WA if the Obama administration is successful pushing through the port in Whatcom county. The only problem is that they cannot ship oil and coal from the same port. The pipeline is already there.


12 posted on 03/01/2013 10:01:43 PM PST by Eva
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That's nothing compared to the thousands of miles of natural gas pipelines.


13 posted on 03/01/2013 10:01:48 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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Jimbo says:

March 1, 2013 at 4:43 pm

Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune just released the following reaction in a press release just sent out:

“The Sierra Club is outraged by the State Department’s deeply flawed analysis today and what can only be interpreted as lip service to one of the greatest threats to our children’s future: climate disruption…”

Would this threat include GAS? Bloody hypocrites.

“Exclusive: How the Sierra Club Took Millions From the Natural Gas Industry”
http://science.time.com/2012/02/02/exclusive-how-the-sierra-club-took-millions-from-the-natural-gas-industry-and-why-they-stopped/

$25 million, if I recall rightly. Or was that $26 million. Hey, what’s 1 million between friends?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/sierra-club-took-26-million-from-natural-gas-lobby-to-battle-coal-industry/

14 posted on 03/01/2013 10:05:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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15 posted on 03/01/2013 10:13:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Eva
I think you have some details in there that are new to me.

And chance to get more detail ...talking about State of Washington.

16 posted on 03/01/2013 10:15:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...one of the greatest threats to our children’s future: climate disruption…”

Do I see the next EcoWacko catch phrase there?

Global Cooling

Global Warming

Climate Change

Climate Disruption

You know they're lying when they have to change the name every few years.

17 posted on 03/01/2013 10:19:26 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Forgive my slightly off colored response but I believe it is fair to say that Director Michael Brune, is what is known as a total asshole.
He is the type of person that would be pleased secretly to see millions of third world nation populations put to sleep to save the planet, just as one example of his far reaching radicalism.
18 posted on 03/01/2013 10:23:04 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Eva
Found this:

Whatcom County deals coal port a serious setback

19 posted on 03/01/2013 10:27:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: allendale
"Keystone, or any other oil pipeline, will never be built as long as Obama is President." - allendale

Secretary of Defense Hagel says that domestic oil production improves U.S. security.

The fix is in: Keystone will be approved.

20 posted on 03/01/2013 10:30:05 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Keystone pipeline passes environmental review

Begin construction immediately. $4.00/gal gas is another economic killer.

21 posted on 03/01/2013 10:32:00 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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Regarding the coal terminal in Whatcom County( see link at #19,...the major issue is the number of trains hauling the coal to the port....

But the enviromentalists make no objection to the trains hauling the crude out of the Bakken oilfields.

22 posted on 03/01/2013 10:32:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye

Someone commented on that at WUWT.....thought it was a BAD sign of the problems that the enviridiots keeping the game going!


23 posted on 03/01/2013 10:34:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Southack
Well,.....give Hagel a Gold Star for a good observation....

And that is encouraging.

24 posted on 03/01/2013 10:38:42 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Marine_Uncle
Oh,...he has a Blog:

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The blog of Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune

Keystone XL: Cynicism on the Potomac

03/01/2013

You know the news is going to be bad when they bury it at 4pm on a Friday. We dealt with this for eight years during the Bush administration. I never thought we'd be doing it again under John Kerry's State Department.

The State Department's analysis of the Keystone XL pipeline proposal acknowledges that tar sands crude is 17 percent more greenhouse gas intensive than conventional oil. But State says that the overall environmental impacts of the pipeline are limited because, according to their analysis, the oil would be mined and drilled anyway. That's not accurate. Currently, 1.8 million barrels of oil per day are being produced in the tar sands. Permits have already been issued that would allow that extraction to expand to 5 million barrels of oil per day, and the oil industry would like to go even higher. But the oil industry is the first to admit that it needs new pipeline capacity before it can expand:
"When I talk to producers in Alberta, as long as Keystone XL goes ahead, they view that there's pretty sufficient takeaway capacity to get us to late in the next decade."  --Alex Pourbaix, president of energy and oil pipelines, Transcanada

"All of the crude oil export pipelines are pretty much full, running at maximum capacity... And we're not likely to see any meaningful capacity added to these networks until the end of the year."  --Vern Yu, VP of business development and market development, Enbridge, Inc.

So the State Department's analysis is not only inaccurate but also incredibly cynical. By this same logic, why would anyone in North America stop new coal plants from being built, if the coal would just be burned in China and India anyway? Why would we try to replace fracked gas or mountaintop-removal coal with solar and wind, if we're powerless as a country to lead the world to a clean energy economy? This is shockingly defeatist thinking from a bureaucracy that is now led by someone who has been a proven and courageous champion of the climate throughout his career.  

I spent this morning on a press conference with Mayor Michael Bloomberg discussing how we've succeeded in securing the retirement of 142 coal plants over the past couple of years. Although we've begun to see a clean energy turnaround outside the Beltway, we're still looking for a real sign of strong leadership inside Washington, D.C. Instead, we keep hearing about the inevitability of fossil fuels: All the oil will be burned, no matter how extreme; coal and natural gas should be mined, drilled and fracked, then exported if necessary. Too often, we even hear these tired arguments from climate champions who should know better.

President Obama needs to reconcile his soaring oratory on climate with strong action to turn away from dirty fuels like tar sands oil. Today, the State Department made the president's job much more difficult. But it's still not too late to stop this pipeline. We have until mid-April to speak out and show the president that there is a national movement demanding he keep his climate promises. Send your message to the administration today.

25 posted on 03/01/2013 10:45:38 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye; Eva; Alaska Wolf

See the blog above regarding coal plants.


26 posted on 03/01/2013 10:52:15 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The name changes are coming faster and faster. When it gets to be monthly it will become a running joke around the Globe.


27 posted on 03/01/2013 10:55:57 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See the blog above regarding coal plants.

Most of our low sulfur content Alaska coal is being shipped to South Korea and Chile.

28 posted on 03/01/2013 11:02:12 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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My eyes are complaining,....time to hit the Rack....

Nite all!

29 posted on 03/01/2013 11:07:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Southack
"Secretary of Defense Hagel says that domestic oil production improves U.S. security."
I would respond by saying. NO SHIT Hagel. Nighty nite all.
30 posted on 03/01/2013 11:33:50 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hey, Sierra Club: Drop dead!


31 posted on 03/02/2013 12:04:15 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Maybe they need an environMENTAL Newtown to justify their onslaught against us.


32 posted on 03/02/2013 12:07:11 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let the Ratfights begin.


33 posted on 03/02/2013 1:25:52 AM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The ecowackos have nothing to worry about. All they need to do is wait until construction on the Keystone begins, and then “discover” an endangered species living in the path of the pipeline, and they can block this in the courts for years and years.


34 posted on 03/02/2013 1:38:07 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The Unions want the Jobs....and they are bigger funders of the Democratic party than the Enviros"

True, but......All the unions want is lots of money for little work. The Enviros want world government controlled by liberals. The democRats want world government controlled by liberals. The Enviros give them an excuse to meet their goals.

35 posted on 03/02/2013 5:14:45 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: TigersEye

Get ready for a BTU Tax.


36 posted on 03/02/2013 5:23:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It’s is driving the enviros crazy this afternoon.

Driving them crazy? Sheesh, they've been camped there so long they have squatter's rights.

37 posted on 03/02/2013 5:28:54 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
...perhaps they WANT an oil disaster in their own backyard

Well, for them it has advantages:

Headlines and soundbytes to maintain their "relevance"

One or two greasy critters to pull donations from the PETA set.

Easy meat for the lawyers, who will knock down large contingency fees from spinoff suits.

An opportunity to extort megabucks from anyone even remotely involved in everything from laying the tracks to machining valves to producing oil to refining it. Lots of deep pockets to dig into.

I'm just half surprised they haven't messed with the tracks somewhere.

38 posted on 03/02/2013 5:35:33 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Unions want the Jobs....and they are bigger funders of the Democratic party than the Enviros....I think.

Just curious, I know North Dakota is a Right-to-Work state, how about the others?

39 posted on 03/02/2013 5:41:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: TigersEye

>> Cooling, warming, change,...

Eventually, they’ll complain about the need to simply stop the Climate.


40 posted on 03/02/2013 5:44:58 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: TigersEye

41 posted on 03/02/2013 5:45:32 AM PST by Paladin2
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Look at the map of enclosed Keystone pipeline, then look at a map of the routes that the oil tankers take to deliver a comparable amount of oil from the various Middle East producers.

Here’s a one-question quiz for the enviro-idiots:

Which system has the least environmental impact?


42 posted on 03/02/2013 6:02:06 AM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune just released the following reaction in a press release just sent out:

“The Sierra Club is outraged by the State Department’s deeply flawed analysis today and what can only be interpreted as lip service to one of the greatest threats to our children’s future: climate disruption…”

I’m sorry to say Michael you are a narrow minded fool.

In this country today the greatest danger to our children’s future is the poverty that will be caused by an economic collapse.

Our country is on the verge of such an economic collapse caused by a government that is spending far more money than the crippled private sector can provide.

The only hope that this country has in avoiding that economic collapse is a recovery that can only be fueled by cheap energy.

Energy is at the root of every product produced by the private sector. Energy refines iron, shapes iron, produces plastics, shapes plastic, purifies water, makes light, powers motors, charges batteries, moves truck and cars. If man made it, he used energy to make it and get it to where you see it.

A reduction in the cost of energy would reduce the price of all goods and services. This reduction in prices would lead to increases in demand for goods and service that would kick start the economy leading to higher employment rates that will reduce welfare rolls, unemployment payments and to an influx of revenue to the government.

I can think of no other thing that can accomplish the turnaround that this country must have to avoid economic collapse. Tax cuts alone just won’t do it at this point.

The United States is an energy rich country. If we do not exploit those riches and as a consequence suffer the economic collapse that causes the poverty and civil strife that economic collapse that will ensue from such a collapse we will have people like you Michael to blame.

43 posted on 03/02/2013 6:13:22 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Once again the Envirusmentalist wackos are not actually interested in protecting the environment, but to fullfill a political agenda to destroy America's productive power.

They are " Envirusmentalist "
44 posted on 03/02/2013 11:54:07 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
OPPSSSSS ! the truth comes out, the Canadian oil sands is actually helping the environment. " the oil sands operations are cleaning up one of the world’s biggest oil spills. The stuff has been oozing into the Athabaska River for millenia before even the indians immigrated to the area. "

And by us extracting oil from the oceans we are actually protecting the environment in case a big earthquake opens up the ocean floor and spews out tons and tons of oil in one day.
45 posted on 03/02/2013 11:57:46 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hey Enviruses ?

If God didn't intend for us to use oil he would not have put the oil there in the ground and given us the intelligence to develope ways to use it.

God said, be fruitfull and multiply and fill the earth... in other words ? God said to be productive in multible ways along with procreation.

Ernest ? this post is not dirrected at you, it's towards the ENVIRUSES... they are a deadly plague.

Coal can be used properly and be developed to burn clean.
46 posted on 03/02/2013 12:11:59 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I wish someone with a whole lot of money produce a hour long documenty to re-educate the public and remind the public of the enviruses lies, tricks, and deceit.


47 posted on 03/02/2013 12:15:29 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Marine_Uncle
No matter, doesn't matter what the enviruses want, it's what God's will is.

God's will from the beginning was for us to be fruitfull, to multiply and fill the whole earth... and to take control and rule over the earth.
God's will, well ? will be done, here on earth as it is in heaven.
No one can stop God's will to be accomplish no matter what the envirses think.
To be " Fruitfull " is more than just procreation.
Being fruitfull is what fruit trees do, they produce.
Fruitfull means in it' basic form, to be productive.
48 posted on 03/02/2013 12:21:48 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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" The United States is an energy rich country. If we do not exploit those riches and as a consequence suffer the economic collapse that causes the poverty and civil strife that economic collapse that will ensue from such a collapse we will have people like you Michael to blame. "

Then we will have a " Social Environmental " disaster... then again ? perhaps ? that's what they want after all ?
49 posted on 03/02/2013 12:29:50 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That term “secured the retirement of coal plants” is enviro-speak for “forced the closure of...”.


50 posted on 03/02/2013 12:34:41 PM PST by Bob
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