Skip to comments.DHS use DMV offices to build database with your photo,birth certificate & CCW info (MO)
Posted on 03/02/2013 6:12:08 PM PST by listenhillary
In keeping with restrictions in State Statutes, and faced with federal encroachments of the 2005 Patriot Act, the Missouri Department of Revenue has been requiring Missouri citizens processing driver license applications and renewals to present what is commonly referred to as source documents to prove identity and residency. These required documents include birth certificates, Social Security numbers (in violation of original federal laws related to them), and any documents tracing legal name changes such as marriage and/or divorce documents. Alternative military documents are acceptable when applicable.
Despite assurances to the public that providing these source documents would be a one time imposition, last November DOR announced that those who had already been processed using these documents would have to do so again the next time they renewed their drivers license. Why? Until recently your local licensing office has been directed to simply check off boxes on processing forms that a license or renewal applicant has produced and shown each of these source documents. However, we now understand that DOR has changed this process in direct violation of Missouri State Statues and is once again violating your personal privacy rights! Without seeking statutory approval, or even informing lawmakers or any legislative oversight DOR has been retooling your local license office! They have been doing this without explaining themselves to the general public, and according to confidential sources they have been trying to avoid public scrutiny even to the point of refusing questions from local license office personnel!
One by one DOR has been removing the States drivers license processing equipment from local offices and replacing it with equipment provided by National Homeland Security equipment. Local license office personnel are being instructed to use this equipment (in violation of State Statutes and citizens privacy). Once installed this equipment is used to take your picture for your drivers license similar to the removed State equipment. But now your photo is being immediately sent into a national database. Then all of your source documents are being scanned with this equipment and sent into the federal governments central database also! This is contrary to Missouri Law! With DOR removing the states equipment, your local licensing office has no options but to comply.
Additionally we are hearing from some folks that any and all additional documents, brought in by individuals unsure of what is needed for processing, are being scanned and included. And, if you are one of the thousands of citizens who only use a post office box rather than a physical mailbox, you are automatically labeled with a fraud alert!
To make matters worse. You will no longer receive your drivers license on the spot as has been with the states efficient equipment. Instead you will be provided a temporary license until your permanent one arrives in the mail from a third party vendor. What is unclear is who is paying the third party vendor, apparently in a seeming ruse to make it look like everything is being directed from within the State. We believe this is to distract attention from the involvement of the federal Homeland Security and their issuance and/or control of everyones new Enhanced Drivers License (see Homeland Security website page enclosed below). Note the primary purpose of all this is to include a readable chip in your drivers license which leads back to a federal government database containing a variety of details and information violating your privacy rights and the religious convictions and liberties of those who hold such beliefs.
On Wednesday, February 27, 2013, the Missouri Senate Transportation Committee held a public hearing on Senate Bill 252 (http://www.senate.mo.gov/13info/pdf-bill/intro/SB252.pdf) which seeks to strengthen current laws against what DOR is doing. SB 252 was introduced by Senator Will Kraus (republican, Dist. 8, Lees summit). During the hearing MFN was the only witness to provide public testimony on the bill. In that hearing MFN President Kerry Messer quoted one of the State Statutes prohibiting DOR from doing the things now being required of local licensing offices. MFN outlined some of the direct violations of law DOR is engaged in. MFN outlined the illegal changes in DOR procedures, testifying (in part):
Missouri Revised Statutes, Chapter 32.091.7 clearly states two prohibitions on the Missouri Department of Revenue without specific statutory authorization. First is that the Department shall not collect individually identifying information on drivers license applicants, which the Department is requiring of local license offices by requiring them to scan personal source documents without any other options for processing drivers licenses. Secondly the Department is prohibited from including any information by which an individual may be identified, unless the department has specific statutory authorization, which is also being violated by the Department. In this second violation the Department is requiring local licensing offices to provide scanned documents to a federal database that can be cross-referenced through an embedded microchip containing a personalized reference number that may be used to access whatever prohibited information the federal agency chooses.
Yes, thats right, not only is the magnetic strip once again being used for improper purposes, but now DOR is authorizing an RFID chip to be implanted into your license card! While Homeland Security claims this is secure because only a reference number will be on the chip, this individualized number traces back to the federal governments file containing all your source documents (and who know what else). Citizens confidence in this security is understandable questionable in light of the common news reports of computer hacking, including government databases. The fact that your new Enhanced Drivers License comes in a protective slip cover to minimize illegal readings is of little comfort.
More at the link http://missourifamilynetwork.net/
Our DMV are referred to as DOR (Department of Revenue) offices and are quasi-privatized. Not sure exactly how it works, if bids are submitted to operate the offices? What is concerning is the DHS sticking their nose into this and trying to keep it under the radar.
From the article "What is our source of information on this breaking news? Our information is coming from confidential sources who work in local license offices, but who are scared to go public."
What were really need is a database of all federal agents including name, address and photo photo id
What I don’t get is while DMVs all of the US are requiring more documentation from legal citizens, illegal immigrants (and by definition “undocumented”) can waltz right in and get a driver’s license without any problems.
For example, DPS in Texas won’t accept CAC cards or retired ID cards as proof of military status. You need a dd214 and/or military orders to get the “veterans” designation on your license (it matters, you get discounts on stuff).
When renewing ten years ago in CT, I was asked for my SSN by a DMV clerk and I refused. They said, doesn’t matter we already have it in here !!!??
Note: Im 2007, I decided to be a good citizen (you know help out in hurricane or disaster) and get my Federal ham radio license. I passed the tests and the radio people said the feds won’t issue me or anyone a ham/amateur license with a SSN on the application. Another smart radio op said its all about child support. Another in your face violation of citizen rights.
When are the going to demand this for illegal aliens, undocumented/illegal voters, Islamic extremists and usurping presidents? Especially when they’re all rolled up into one.
George you stated, “...I passed the tests and the radio people said the feds wont issue me or anyone a ham/amateur license with a SSN on the application.”
Just to clarify, are you saying “without a SSN?”
They could save valuable database storage space by just giving us all the name Winston Smith.
Those are the model citizens of the new republic, so no additional documentation is required. It would not be tolerant and progressive to insist on such documentation.
We, the defenders of the old republic, must be watched very carefully. /SARC
It seems many on the left fear the Tea party more than the Muslim Brotherhood. I can’t believe the level of idiocy required for that kind of thinking.
Makes perfect sense that authorities that cannot even begin to keep track of illegals, even the hardened criminals among them; furthermore won’t try...can and will track all of us.
Well that kind of sucks, big time!
They didn’t ask for anything new when I went in for my CCW. I just gave her my driver’s license and she verified the info. When did they start replacing equipment? Maybe smaller towns aren’t being messed with yet?
Please link to the actual text in the future, your link just goes to the home page of URL.
Post the link on the thread or hit the abuse button and give it to us that way.
Gun enthusiast and writer/director John Milius ("Conan the Barbarian") was well aware of this, as he portrayed in his film "Red Dawn", as the KGB officer asks the Cuban general how to find out which Americans have guns:
I see. I was renewing my car tags a few weeks ago and they were installing new drivers license equipment. Cameras, computers and such.
Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!
To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I dont add you to the list...
RFID tags can be read at 20-30 feet
ie: street lights
No good deed goes unpunished.
Oh man it is just getting weirder and weirder
Yet, I bet the voter fraud folks like those who used to call themselves ACORN are as outraged as the “Missouri Family Network.”
Tangentially, I haven't purchased real pseudephed in years. I got pretty sick a few weeks ago and headed into Target in San Diego for some real pseudephed. The pharmacist had to scan the big square data patch on the back of my license and have me sign for the purchase. There is already a standardized scan that works across multiple state boundaries.
That is VERY technology dependent. Most passive tags must be placed into an active electromagnetic field at a technology characteristic frequency to pick up enough power to charge up a small capacitor and drive the transmission of the embedded numeric code. Employee ID cards tend to work only within 2 to 4 inches. The ones used in retail stores work at a 3 ft distance, thus you find the transmitter/receiver towers placed on either side of a door.
There are active devices placed on the dashboard of a car for billing of HOV lane use. Those have a 30 ft range, but are very large devices. The transceivers typically are mounted on a road sign platform at 15+ ft above the roadway.
When you renew your drivers license next time, DHS will have that information.
I renewed my driver license in October, and got my laminated ID immediately. So I guess I made it under the wire.
In N C the CCW doesn’t have a picture but the info is passed to the police. On a traffic stop the officer asked me if I had a weapon, “ since you have a CCW”
A friend's kid was a passenger during a traffic stop and the cop wouldn't accept the kid's only ID that listed his dob in connection with his dad's military whatever ID. The kid wasn't driving and wasn't old enough for a license so there was no reason to even speak to him much less harass him. The dad had to go down to the police dept. and have a chat with the chief but still got no satisfaction.
Requirement of statutorily prescribed procedures to improve effectiveness of child support enforcement
(13) Recording of social security numbers in certain family matters. Procedures requiring that the social security number of (A) any applicant for a professional license, drivers license, occupational license, recreational license, or marriage license be recorded on the application; (B) any individual who is subject to a divorce decree, support order, or paternity determination or acknowledgment be placed in the records relating to the matter; and (C) any individual who has died be placed in the records relating to the death and be recorded on the death certificate.
Our E-470 tollway has a windshield sticker no bigger than any other RFID and can be read just fine. Highways are now getting all kinds of fancy electronics and I have no doubt that they could read an RFID in your wallet or purse.
sorry, WITHOUT a SSN
I just got notification my Texas license expires in April. The letter tells me all the stuff I have to produce. Including proof of citizenship and SS number. It doesn’t tell what will be accepted as “proof” except it says they’ll accept a birth certificate. My only question is “Do Hispanics have to show proof of citizenship?”
You’d think having been licensed in Texas since 1981 would suffice.
LOL..No prob...thanks for clarification! That makes a little more sense to me now.
“:RFID tags can be read at 20-30 feet
ie: street lights”
NOT if it’s wrapped in aluminum foil ...
1) One helluva field is required at that distance (I know you ppl think this is ALL magic, but, no it’s not. Physics is still applicable e.g. those governing field strengths like the inverse square law that determines field strength.)
2) What is used for ‘backhaul’ of the info to a central point? Someone had to trench in a T1 or fiber, or installed a data transceiver on some commercial or private-carrier frequency ...
“Our E-470 tollway has a windshield sticker no bigger than any other RFID and can be read just fine. Highways are now getting all kinds of fancy electronics and I have no doubt that they could read an RFID in your wallet or purse.”
YOU’LL NOTICE those antenna (the Yagis seen at the toll booths pointing down at trafic!) used are in the 900 MHz range.
This a FAR CRY from the 200 kHz ‘coupled fields’ systems used on merchandise (and library books!)
Too many ppl believe in ‘magic’ on this stuff; where are all the board EEs and physicists?
the street lights with cameras have network connection. the data piggy backs on that. there are other types of sensors on streetlights besides RFID and cameras.
registering the response from an RFID query would take a more sensitive receiver. 20-30 feet isn’t that far when the range of other sensors is compared.
to check, a meter could be created that would make a noise whenever it receives an RFID query. that would be interesting. i wonder if i could build it into my droid (do droids have RFID receivers?).
“where are all the board EEs and physicists?”
I am both, including RF engineering. While those library book and merchandise stickers operate, as you said, in a coupled field effect, so do the new highway tags. While it takes more energy and a larger antenna to do the job they can still read that itty-bitty RF ID tag.
In fact, the one for my motorcycle is a little fella that is barely visible mounted on the front of the headlight. The sticker is about 1/2” by 2.5”, the chip is about 3mm in diameter and the antenna for it is a few inches long.
So, if the DMV wanted to place a very readable tag in their driver’s license, no problem. Easily done.
” the street lights with cameras have network connection. “
” registering the response from an RFID query would take a more sensitive receiver. “
EASILY stated pilgrim, a LOT more difficult to actually REALIZE.
See, you DO believe in magic, after all. You just ‘make it up’ and then wish it.
Since you have not the least idea of what technology is being employed and the inherent limitations.
” so do the new highway tags “
Tollway tags, pilgrim.
Pay attention to the discussion.
I’m confused (and distracted by an RFID video in the background) Are there currently chips in the Idaho drivers license?
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