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Americans renouncing citizenship to become British thanks to tax rise
The Telegraph ^ | 02 Mar 2013 | David Barrett

Posted on 03/02/2013 8:31:25 PM PST by Baynative

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This is really no surprise. Being an American doesn't have the emotional bond it once did.

While the article is mostly about wealthy folks, this is happening at all income brackets. Traveling to look for new places to live in retirement is big business these days.

1 posted on 03/02/2013 8:31:36 PM PST by Baynative
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To: Baynative

This is what happens when you devalue American citizenship by giving it to illiterate people who sneak across the border and by overly taxing some wealthy or high income Americans. This makes me very sad.


2 posted on 03/02/2013 8:36:18 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Baynative

That’s what they get for sending us Piers Morgan.


3 posted on 03/02/2013 8:42:31 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Baynative
but i doubt they are becoming moving to the UK, an even bigger tax sink than the US is...
4 posted on 03/02/2013 8:48:02 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 3Fingas

Off to the BVI...in three years. Can’t wait to go back.


5 posted on 03/02/2013 8:48:40 PM PST by acapesket
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To: Baynative

No way in HELL would I live in the UK, again. (sorry UK FReepers, nothing against you. I know you are fighting the good fight).


6 posted on 03/02/2013 8:52:15 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Baynative

The US is a big country, with a big central government and it is rapidly transitioning into a communist totalitarian state. True, the rest of the world is not that good, but the transition to tyranny in the US poses an imminent existential threat to conservative and libertarians.


7 posted on 03/02/2013 9:01:56 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: acapesket

Cue up the Jimmy Buffet song.....that’s sound like fun.

I have never been to the BVIs. I did go to the Bahamas, P.R. and Isla Vieques. All were mostly working vacations courtesy Uncle Sam.

I would include GITMO in that list, but that hardly counts.


8 posted on 03/02/2013 9:02:31 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

sic...that sounds like fun...
Please return to your regularly scheduled postings.


9 posted on 03/02/2013 9:04:14 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Baynative

Hope they’re all Obama DummyRATS.


10 posted on 03/02/2013 9:10:33 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Baynative

The Left has made America much less valuable to those whom valued America. It has been a long process, but they are winning.


11 posted on 03/02/2013 9:11:13 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 3Fingas
I would include GITMO in that list, but that hardly counts.

In three years Cuba and the USA could switch places in terms of personal freedom.

12 posted on 03/02/2013 9:13:31 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Baynative

>> Being an American doesn’t have the emotional bond it once did.

It grows stronger every day for me.

I love my Country, and I will not turn my back on her. We will be victorious through our belief; not our doubt, despair, nor indifference.


13 posted on 03/02/2013 9:16:27 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Baynative

I can not imagine anyone moving to the puking kingdom.
I think it is worse then the US.
I left the USSA around 2000, with no plans to return.

There is a large number of Americans moving to Central and South America.
I started out in central Europe but moved to the Philippines in 2008.
Living here is very cheap and very popular with single men from the US and Europe.

There are a number of web sites that are devoted to expating.

http://www.escapefromamerica.com/

www.internationalliving.com

These two concentrate on central and south America.


14 posted on 03/02/2013 9:21:15 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Gene Eric

“I love my Country, and I will not turn my back on her. We will be victorious through our belief; not our doubt, despair, nor indifference.”
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That is very noble of you, but I think you overlook the fact that the majority has turned its back on YOU.
With over half of the population believing that a Marxist society would be just peachy keen, you must find yourself in a real dilemma.
Both the media, and the educational system in America is against you.

Stop and think. Did the founding fathers not face a similar situation in their home countries?
Whatever....Best of luck to you.


15 posted on 03/02/2013 9:32:48 PM PST by AlexW
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To: AlexW

I’ve looked everywhere. If anyone can tell me how I can give up my American citizenship while maintaining US residency, I’d love to know. I just want to give up my citizenship for legal residency. Why? I like the place, sort of, but I can’t stand being a citizen of a country where 59 million people voted for that Marxist punk. When the American people come to their senses and elect the likes of Thomas Jefferson, I’ll reapply for US citizenship.


16 posted on 03/02/2013 9:46:43 PM PST by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: Baynative

Renouncing your US citizenship for tax purposes might make sense. Becoming a Brit instead? Nope. Though not as crazy as becoming French, can’t you find a lower tax country?


17 posted on 03/02/2013 9:53:54 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: huckfillary

” If anyone can tell me how I can give up my American citizenship while maintaining US residency, I’d love to know.”
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Other then being foolish, you are opening a can of worms.
You should just leave the country and wait to see if it gets back on course.
In what country do you plan to apply for citizenship and a passport?
You had better think this out.


18 posted on 03/02/2013 9:56:12 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Baynative

The top marginal rate in the UK is approximately 60%. Any American who renounces their US citizenship for tax reasons is mathematically challenged.


19 posted on 03/02/2013 9:59:11 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

You are missing the point, becoming a British citizen doesn’t make you liable for British taxes. You only pay UK tax if you are actually resident in the UK, whether you are British or foreign. Whereas US citizens pay tax no matter where they are.

I am a UK citizen living overseas and I haven’t paid tax to the British in almost eight years. I have a good friend who hasn’t lived in the US or earned a penny in the US for the same length of time and he was called to the US embassy where his passport was confiscated and he was told he would not get it back until he paid tax outstanding on income he’d earned overseas but which the US tax authorities wanted.

He’d never received an iota of assistance from the US government but here they were tracking him down to SE Asia to get him to pay tax.

Many American people have a rather naive view about how “free” they are in comparison to other nations. I wouldn’t like to be a US citizen, it confers no benefits that many other nations don’t equally confer but without a lot of the hassle.


20 posted on 03/02/2013 10:09:20 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: Baynative
If I had the money I would fight back, not run away.
Buy land next to a highway and put up billboards, for starters.
21 posted on 03/02/2013 10:17:01 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: AlexW

It’s not about luck. I don’t have a choice in the matter.


22 posted on 03/02/2013 11:07:50 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: AlexW

Hey Alex, I knew you would find your way here, just like me. Today, I met some semi influential people from Davao City, who would be willing to help us in any way they can. It always helps to know people.


23 posted on 03/02/2013 11:47:54 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Baynative
This is really no surprise. Being an American doesn't have the emotional bond it once did.

Not even close. If I was wealthy I'd "renounce" US citizenship and sign up with some other nation in a heartbeat, a nation that doesn't paint a target on your back.

It seems a long time ago now that I served proudly in the Marines under Commander-in-Chief Ronald Reagan. I was actually proud to be an American back then. Today we have a sodomized, feminized, politically correct military that continues to slide down a slop hole under an America-hating African communist. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

The United States of America is now nothing more than a big land mass populated by cretins, ingrates, and parasites who have absolutely no respect for the military and who vote for big government to confiscate money from their neighbors so that it may be “redistributed” to them in exchange for their votes. It is not an America worth defending anymore. That America no longer exists.

The parasites outnumber the hosts now, and there’s no going back. America is dead.
The Democrats have won.

Even the immigrants, legal and illegal, don't come to America anymore because they want to be "Americans" - - they come here to vote Democrat and steal whatever they can by proxy. It's a shame. America had a great run but nothing lasts forever.

24 posted on 03/03/2013 12:16:55 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Baynative

So after supporting it, giving money to it, and voting for it they flee?

Just another day in Obamaland. :(


25 posted on 03/03/2013 12:17:17 AM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Gene Eric

“It’s not about luck. I don’t have a choice in the matter.”
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I concede that expatriating can be a hard choice for many, especially if with family.


26 posted on 03/03/2013 12:39:25 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Lancey Howard; AlexW
The parasites outnumber the hosts now, and there’s no going back. America is dead.The Democrats have won.

I believe you are correct sir. At the risk of being flamed, I think there is no hope for America either. We are finished as a country. I know some people are still confident we can turn this around. My opinion is, this could only happen through a civil war, so I am leaving the country soon. America was a nice experiment, but it has finally failed.

27 posted on 03/03/2013 12:59:29 AM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: null and void

Change you can bereave in?

...No, I am not doing a bad Charlie Chan impersonation..

...Yes, I know who Charlie Chan is even though I am really not that old. :-D


28 posted on 03/03/2013 1:05:12 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Chode

It kind of depends on your income and your trade. True, the overall tax sink in the UK is certainly no better, but tax is applied differently. Depending on your circumstance, it certainly could be very worthwhile economically.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 1:21:54 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Slings and Arrows

I would imagine that even if the number of Americans renouncing their citizenship to become Brits has gone up, the reverse process is still much higher.


30 posted on 03/03/2013 1:25:25 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Baynative

Sir John Templeton

A knight of the realm who spoke with a Tennessee accent.

31 posted on 03/03/2013 1:29:23 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: AlexW; Gene Eric
That is very noble of you, but I think you overlook the fact that the majority has turned its back on YOU. With over half of the population believing that a Marxist society would be just peachy keen, you must find yourself in a real dilemma.

Both the media, and the educational system in America is against you.

The answer to that is to persuade the majority to feel otherwise, before the facts of life catch up with the US and force them to realise they are wrong. Battles are not won by retreats. In any case, where in the world can you go to avoid greed, envy and sloth (the foundation stones of socialist systems)

32 posted on 03/03/2013 1:32:49 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Mark17; Lancey Howard
I can empathise with you both. The situation is not good and getting worse, and the temptation to give up and shrug your shoulders can be very very strong. Socialism is sweet poison for the body politic. It tastes good (at first). It makes you feel good (initially). It makes you healthier and stronger (or at least it seems to). But in the end it will kill.

But just as the promises of socialism, the "fairness" and the "equality" are all just smoke and mirrors, so too is the strength of socialists. Their constant assertion that progression (their version) MUST and WILL occur is totally non verifiable. They win because of apathy and guilt and selfishness ("I'm not going to do anything because this particular issue is not my problem")

So I would urge you to reconsider, because when all is said and done, despondency is the enemy's greatest weapon.

33 posted on 03/03/2013 1:47:38 AM PST by Vanders9
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“The answer to that is to persuade the majority to feel otherwise”
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That is the problem in the US.
The majority has been persuaded to let dear leader Obumbo take care of them.
As I have posted many times, the media and education K-Grad school has been taken over by the Communist.
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“In any case, where in the world can you go to avoid greed, envy and sloth (the foundation stones of socialist systems”
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Greed and envy exist everywhere, but here in the Philippines there is very little government control of ANYTHING, other then immigration.
The native population views life as what God has given them.
They expect and get nothing from the government.


34 posted on 03/03/2013 1:52:56 AM PST by AlexW
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To: AlexW

No, it’s not about the option of expatriating. It’s about commitment.


35 posted on 03/03/2013 2:07:30 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric

“No, it’s not about the option of expatriating. It’s about commitment.”
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Very noble...you have a commitment..A commitment to what, and how do you plan to carry it out?


36 posted on 03/03/2013 2:15:34 AM PST by AlexW
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To: grumpygresh

I’d say that’s all true, but the transition and final outcome is a threat to everyone in the world. Russia/China and all the other communist and muslim states will be able to do whatever they want with no fear of US intervention.

These are truly dark times, what bastion of Liberty is there left?

The decline of America will effect every human on Earth.


37 posted on 03/03/2013 4:08:12 AM PST by FreedomStar3028
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To: huckfillary

anyone can tell me how I can give up my American citizenship while maintaining US residency, I’d love to know.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Simple really. Pay all of your Taxes, Apply for renunciation with the State Department, do the renunciation , apply for a court ordered name change, and then apply for a green card.

You will have to NOT pay anymore taxes. Thats the trick.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 4:10:27 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Baynative
I can think of a number of countries I would like to check out, but Great Britain isn't one of them. In addition to a favorable tax climate, a possible target country for relocation needs to be stable, not have a runaway welfare state, and not being subject to invasion by hostile populations like Muslims.
39 posted on 03/03/2013 4:28:44 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Vanders9
i'd think the VAT tax would eat up any possible other advantage, hell the taxes on gas alone...
40 posted on 03/03/2013 4:56:58 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Gene Eric; AlexW
It’s not about luck. I don’t have a choice in the matter.

To "alexw" it's not about luck either - it's about his bragging rights to have abandoned the U.S.

Don't you think it's very weird for someone to come to FR, almost every day, and brag about how he's left the U.S. while at the same time holding on to his U.S. citizenship?

41 posted on 03/03/2013 5:28:22 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Baynative
This is really no surprise. Being an American doesn't have the emotional bond it once did.

Many of us "old timers" are still emotionally and patriotically bonded to being Americans. We are waiting for America to return to us. I fear that as the next two generations pass on, the memory will fade and the People will truly become the Sheeple and have no sense of the Freedoms and substance they have lost.

42 posted on 03/03/2013 6:09:17 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Vanders9
Socialism is sweet poison for the body politic. It tastes good (at first). It makes you feel good (initially)..... But in the end it will kill.

Like ethylene glycol (antifreeze).

43 posted on 03/03/2013 6:31:17 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: trebb
"...still emotionally and patriotically bonded to being Americans. We are waiting for America to return to us." I too, am emotionally bonded to the country I love and served. But, in all candor, I feel it isn't coming back to us.

I recently got an email from an associate who asked, "Are you SOMEBODY?"HE went on to make several points about things that are slipping away from us and how people often say, "somebody should do something". The moral of his writing is that we have largely become a population of people waiting for someone else to act on our behalf. It's ironic since so many of us speak negatively about those who do little and expect someone else to take care of them.

While the internet has given us a great tool for communication and mobilization, the truth is most folks just use it to forward messages or jokes in the passive assumption that someone down the line may come up with the energy or an idea with which to fight back. Oddly, the majority is letting the minority succeed in taking our country away. We are letting lawlessness prevail and we are giving up our freedom.

I have a friend a few years older than me who frankly says, "I'm not going to be around long enough to worry about it. Let them wallow in the slop they're creating."

44 posted on 03/03/2013 6:51:55 AM PST by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
You are missing the point, becoming a British citizen doesn’t make you liable for British taxes. You only pay UK tax if you are actually resident in the UK, whether you are British or foreign. Whereas US citizens pay tax no matter where they are.

Which, of course, is irrelevant for US citizens living in the UK, which is what this article discusses because the UK is a higher-tax country than the US. US citizens are eligible to claim a foreign tax credit against their domestic tax liabilities, which avoids the issue of double taxation.

Worldwide taxation prevents US citizens from mooching off the benefits of US citizenship while evading taxation as tax exiles. However, I'm reasonably sure that no US resident of the UK is there as a tax exile.

45 posted on 03/03/2013 6:52:28 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Candor7
Simple really. Pay all of your Taxes, Apply for renunciation with the State Department, do the renunciation , apply for a court ordered name change, and then apply for a green card. You will have to NOT pay anymore taxes. Thats the trick.

LOL.

46 posted on 03/03/2013 6:54:52 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: 3Fingas
I have never been to the BVIs. I did go to the Bahamas, P.R. and Isla Vieques. All were mostly working vacations courtesy Uncle Sam.

You're welcome.

47 posted on 03/03/2013 6:57:11 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Baynative

“HE went on to make several points”

So is he doing anything?


48 posted on 03/03/2013 6:58:48 AM PST by quesney (e)
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To: AlexW; Vanders9
Greed and envy exist everywhere, but here in the Philippines there is very little government control of ANYTHING, other then immigration.

Including DEFENSE. The Philippines spends almost nothing on its own defense, preferring to ask the US taxpayer to defend its borders from regional threats. Yeah, great model there. Some things are worth spending money on, but why bother when there's someone in the neighborhood willing to bail you out?

49 posted on 03/03/2013 7:03:37 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Baynative
I think of myself as a Texan first and an American 2nd. It didn't used to be that way.
50 posted on 03/03/2013 7:05:40 AM PST by Ditter
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